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Census worker hanged, "FED" written on his chest

Ethereal said:
But why some worthless, piss-ant census worker? If they were really trying to send a message why would they pick that guy!?

And if they're really after attention, how do they figure Americans will make the link between the murder and their movement? I just doesn't make any sense.

The guy probably stumbled upon some drug producers who didn't want him exposing or compromising their operation. Rabid anti-government sentiment in certain parts of Appalachia has predated the existence of any tea-parties or conservative marches on Washington. Occam’s razor points to this.
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As GD said, the guy wasn't a pissant, and he wasn't worthless. And given the facts known, Occam's razor points to a political motivation, not a drug motivation.
 
Ethereal said:
But why some worthless, piss-ant census worker? If they were really trying to send a message why would they pick that guy!?

And if they're really after attention, how do they figure Americans will make the link between the murder and their movement? I just doesn't make any sense.

The guy probably stumbled upon some drug producers who didn't want him exposing or compromising their operation. Rabid anti-government sentiment in certain parts of Appalachia has predated the existence of any tea-parties or conservative marches on Washington. Occam’s razor points to this.
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If I had to guess, if the motive ends up being political, he was chosen because he was convenient. He was some one who was there.

Of course, your theory of drug producers doing it is quite possible too. That is the problem with running ahead of the facts. We will hopefully know soon enough, and I hope whoever did it is tried, convicted and sentenced to the max.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure this guy didn't write fed on his own chest. I'm interested to see how it comes out. There are a number of possibilities, not least of which would be some kind of personal conflict with an individual who then used this slant to try and conceal the crime.

However, I also believe it's possible that this was politically motivated.
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I posted the comment below, which is innocent enough,
but then on reflection I felt the need to stress (who
knows who will see this and when,) that we are talking
about a practice that frequently results in death. And
it does so in a manner that causes horrific suffering to
the survivors of the victim who must deal with revelations
that arrise from the nature of the death, and the
condition of the body.

It is not something that anyone should be too curious about.

 Thanks


He was reportedly found not hanged in the classic sense, but in contact with the ground, naked except for his socks.

According to a supposed witness, he was also bound with duck tape, including what sounds like a mock dog collar.

Practitioners of the practice that killed David Carradine often tie themselves up in one fashion or another. (There are photos available on the web -- you probably do not want to see them, since they are almost always taken after death.)

It all sounds like a case of AE strangulation to me, at least on the surface.

Here is some pretty tame information :[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_asphyxiation[/ame]
 
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jackalope said:
Do you think it means anything that a couple weeks have passed and there's no more info or leads in the news? I hope they do find out what happened. This is a disturbing crime.
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Not necessarily, no. I think that given the nature of the crime, they aren't going to share details until they feel they have a handle on them.
 
Oftencold said:
He was reportedly found not hanged in the classic sense, but in contact with the ground, naked except for his socks.

According to a supposed witness, he was also bound with duck tape, including what sounds like a mock dog collar.

Practitioners of the practice that killed David Carradine often tie themselves up in one fashion or another. (There are photos available on the web -- you probably do not want to see them, since they are almost always taken after death.)

It all sounds like a case of AE strangulation to me, at least on the surface.
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Do you have a link to the article with this info?
 
Ethereal said:
But why some worthless, piss-ant census worker? If they were really trying to send a message why would they pick that guy!?

And if they're really after attention, how do they figure Americans will make the link between the murder and their movement? I just doesn't make any sense.

The guy probably stumbled upon some drug producers who didn't want him exposing or compromising their operation. Rabid anti-government sentiment in certain parts of Appalachia has predated the existence of any tea-parties or conservative marches on Washington. Occam’s razor points to this.
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Maybe a meth lab. The meth industry is most likely a big problem in that area.
 
the makeout hobo said:
But why would he have "fed" written on his chest? And who tied him up? And most importantly why would he be doing this in the middle of a forest?
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The obvious conclusion is that a racist listener of Rush Limbaugh had a meth lab in the forest, right next to his weapons cache. He was convinced that this census worker was gathering data and evidence to uncover Rush Limbaughs racist plot.

Duh...
 
the makeout hobo said:
But why would he have "fed" written on his chest? And who tied him up? And most importantly why would he be doing this in the middle of a forest?
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"FED" could have been someone's initials, or it could have meaning only to the deceased. As for him being tied up, we don't know how restrictive the bindings were. In other words, whether he might have done it himself. There are people who get great pleas use (don't ask me -- I don't get it, ) from being bound.

Often they find ways to at least simulate being tied up if they don't have a partner to help.

Look, I need to stress that I'm no expert, just medical provider (EMT) that over the years, has come across odd articles in medical literature. I'm going to dark places with Google right now to try and illustrate my guess about this case without getting banned for my trouble. (This is not a "Family Friendly" topic, obviously.)

But as to him being bound, look at this, (it's fairly safe.) Wapedia - Wiki: Self-bondage.

The description of they guy hanger, but touching the ground, naked but wearing socks, in a secluded place exactly matches cases I've read about.

As for why would he be doing this in a secluded place, I would imagine it would be because he enjoyed it that way? I remember one of the articles I saw was of a man who'd done this in a park, and another found just like this, hanging naked in the woods.

I brought this up mostly to illustrate that people who jumped to conclusions of a political murder might be embarrassed.
 
How obvious can they get that they want this story to just go away.
It took the media two weeks to break the story and there have been near zero updates on the case.

This is weak from the standpoint of the media.
 
goldendog said:
How obvious can they get that they want this story to just go away.
It took the media two weeks to break the story and there have been near zero updates on the case.

This is weak from the standpoint of the media.
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Well, I imagine that if my guess is correct, there are very strong concerns about causing torment to his family on the one hand, and having to explain that sort of practice to the public on the other.
 
Oftencold said:
Well, I imagine that if my guess is correct, there are very strong concerns about causing torment to his family on the one hand, and having to explain that sort of practice to the public on the other.
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Also why was his badge taped to him?
 
the makeout hobo said:
Also why was his badge taped to him?
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I have only read accounts of a tag being tapped to his neck, I have seen nothing about his badge.

But I think that every day that goes by without the police calling this a homicide make it much more likely that it was an accident.
 
Oftencold said:
I have only read accounts of a tag being tapped to his neck, I have seen nothing about his badge.

But I think that every day that goes by without the police calling this a homicide make it much more likely that it was an accident.
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from the AP

"The only thing he had on was a pair of socks," Weaver said. "And they had duct-taped his hands, his wrists. He had duct tape over his eyes, and they gagged him with a red rag or something."

Two people briefed on the investigation said various details of Weaver's account matched the details of the crime scene, though both people said they were not informed who found the body. The two spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.

Authorities have said a preliminary cause of death was asphyxiation, pending a full medical examination. According to a Kentucky State Police statement, the body was hanging from a tree with a rope around the neck, yet it was in contact with the ground.

"And they even had duct tape around his neck," Weaver said. "And they had like his identification tag on his neck. They had it duct-taped to the side of his neck, on the right side, almost on his right shoulder."

Both of the people briefed on the investigation confirmed that Sparkman's Census Bureau ID was found taped to his head and shoulder area. Weaver said he couldn't tell if the tag was a Census ID because he didn't get close enough to read it. He could see writing on Sparkman's chest, but could not read that it said "fed."

Authorities have said the word was scrawled with a felt-tip pen.
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He duct tape on his eyes and his neck, and his Census ID was taped on him. Can you give me any self-suffocation case even similar?
 
the makeout hobo said:
He duct tape on his eyes and his neck, and his Census ID was taped on him. Can you give me any self-suffocation case even similar?
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Irrelevant at this time...

"But the investigation has yet to determine whether the death of the 51-year-old part-time schoolteacher represents real anti-government sentiment. At this point, police cannot say whether Bill Sparkman's death was a homicide, an accident or even a suicide. - Area where census worker died has troubled history - Yahoo! News

They have not ruled out anything at this point.

"Davis acknowledged Clay's "pretty wild history of a black market economy, a drug economy." He noted that Sparkman's death occurred at a time when marijuana producers are typically harvesting their crop. - Area where census worker died has troubled history - Yahoo! News

It does appear to have little or nothing to do with being politically motivated even according to the story.

The political hackery of some posters in this thread is really over the top.

Please stop making everything partisan. It is getting old.
 
Blackdog said:
Irrelevant at this time...

"But the investigation has yet to determine whether the death of the 51-year-old part-time schoolteacher represents real anti-government sentiment. At this point, police cannot say whether Bill Sparkman's death was a homicide, an accident or even a suicide. - Area where census worker died has troubled history - Yahoo! News

They have not ruled out anything at this point.

"Davis acknowledged Clay's "pretty wild history of a black market economy, a drug economy." He noted that Sparkman's death occurred at a time when marijuana producers are typically harvesting their crop. - Area where census worker died has troubled history - Yahoo! News

It does appear to have little or nothing to do with being politically motivated even according to the story.

The political hackery of some posters in this thread is really over the top.

Please stop making everything partisan. It is getting old.
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The article never said it appears to have little or nothing to do with political motivations. The writer decided to focus on the drug angle, but that isn't the same thing at all. The article did say anti-government sentiment was a possibility.
 
The only political hackery that exists in this thead is the obvious chawing at the bit by many on this thread to blame this mans tragic death on druggie liberals...It is clear as a bell. All indications point otherwise but nope we have to ignore all of the evidence that this was a political murder.
 
goldendog said:
The only political hackery that exists in this thead is the obvious chawing at the bit by many on this thread to blame this mans tragic death on druggie liberals...It is clear as a bell. All indications point otherwise but nope we have to ignore all of the evidence that this was a political murder.
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Where's the evidence? :confused:
 
Oftencold said:
I have only read accounts of a tag being tapped to his neck, I have seen nothing about his badge.
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The "tag" that was taped to his neck was his plastic ID badge. It's referred to as ID tag and ID badge in different stories.
 
StandUpChuck said:
Where's the evidence? :confused:
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You republicans are just determined to sweep all the wrongdoing by conservatives under the rug, aren't you? And we know that we should all be living in TERROR OF OUR VERY LIVES because of the conservative menace.

Stop living in denial, you Beck stoolie.

/idiotic leftist mode
 
goldendog said:
The only political hackery that exists in this thead is the obvious chawing at the bit by many on this thread to blame this mans tragic death on druggie liberals...It is clear as a bell. All indications point otherwise but nope we have to ignore all of the evidence that this was a political murder.
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And the political hackery continues from the left and right. :roll:

Thank you for a perfect example of what I was talking about.
 
the makeout hobo said:
The article never said it appears to have little or nothing to do with political motivations.
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None of the several articles said it did and said it is most likely other things, every article.

Do you have evidence showing otherwise?

the makeout hobo said:
The writer decided to focus on the drug angle, but that isn't the same thing at all. The article did say anti-government sentiment was a possibility.
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He went with the most likely cause, not the least likely, Occam's razor.

You are trying to paint this as some kind of right or left issue and anti government sentiment comes from both sides. It is your silly partisan politics forcing you to take an extreme view of everything around you. It is sad really.

As for the incident itself, Occam's razor seems to be in effect in the articles. You should follow suit and stop trying to blame everything on some kind of evil violent right wing crap.
 
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