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Germany Will Walk Out of U.N. if Ahmadinejad Denies Holocaust

Indeed! Very profound. It makes you laugh and ask how they can "entertain" such an argument?........fascinating. I'll have to sleep on all that infomation just to let it sink in.
Done editing that post, or is there any more foolishness you plan on squeezing in?
 
Um, anyway...

I think walking out would be a mistake. Ahmadinejad is just doing it to be inflammatory, I don't think he genuinely even believes his own words. Most of his political career has been spent firing pot shots at Western nations in order to garner support from the radical right in Iran. Being a holocaust denier just fits with his usual repertoire.

If Germany walks out, or if the U.S. were to censor him, it would show that his childish tactics are so effective that diplomats will avoid a UN conference. The proper thing would be to bear it and grin, and then proceed as normal.

After all, you don't leave the bus when a ranting, mentally disturbed person enters it, do you? No. You let them have their piece, as uncomfortable as it makes you, then you go on about your life.
 
Has nothing to do with partisan crap.. but facts.

First off Bush was elected in highly controversial circumstances broadcast all around the world. YES the world was amazed that in the US, elections could go that wrong and have to be settled in a court of law.. That happens in the 3rd world, not in what many up to that point saw as the beacon of democracy, liberty and freedom. How could the US from that day on, go around preaching democracy and freedom, when they could not even figure out how to count their own freaking votes in an election.

Secondly Iraq. Need I say more?

Thirdly Gitmo and Abu Graib.. Need I say more?

While no country has a "moral compass" really, the US always had an aura of being what everything is good about democracy and liberty in the free world, but that was shattered during the Bush administration. Obama is trying to rebuild that aura but he has one hell of a steep hill to climb and I am not even certain that he is doing it in the right way yet. Time will tell.

Well maybe you should educate yourself. It wasn't the first time it went down to the wire like that. Sorry we disappointed you but piss off. We have a system in check for it, and yeah Gore did open a can of worms in that election I agree; but we got past it.

Second, we out of Iraq? You seem to be on the Obama boat and like the other r-tards that bought into the Hope and Change mantra, you seem not to have information.

Third, Gitmo closed down? Oh yeah...it's not. Obama is the same as Bush and your hyperpartisan BS is shown for exactly what it is because of it. We are not a moral compass, we do believe in liberty. But that whole democracy and liberty in the free world...that's what the Bush admin used to justify Iraq so maybe you should watch what you say else your horrible partisan nature will once again be shown. I'm not for democracy and liberty in the "free world". I'm for freedom and liberty in America and the rest of you bastards can just take care of your own god damned business.
 
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I dont suggest anything, just stating a fact. Sorry if you dont like that fact.

Yeah. You got bupkis, which probably surprises no one.

It was wrong, illegal, anti-democratic, but you can't point to how and why. Typical. This is probably by and large true of all the other throngs you invoke as well.
 
Fact is that wasn't a fact.

LOL it is not a fact that the 2000 election has "issues" in it?

Like it or not, I grew up along with many Europeans, being taught that the US was the beacon of democracy, liberty and freedom, and yet here we had an election that was ... lets just say controversial at best. So yes that illusion we grew up on was shattered in 2000.. like it or not. And that did damage the illusion of any "moral compass" by the US on things like democracy and elections.
 
Yeah. You got bupkis, which probably surprises no one.

It was wrong, illegal, anti-democratic, but you can't point to how and why. Typical. This is probably by and large true of all the other throngs you invoke as well.

Where the HELL did I state that? Stop making **** up just because you disagree with my view.
 
LOL it is not a fact that the 2000 election has "issues" in it?

Like it or not, I grew up along with many Europeans, being taught that the US was the beacon of democracy, liberty and freedom, and yet here we had an election that was ... lets just say controversial at best. So yes that illusion we grew up on was shattered in 2000.. like it or not. And that did damage the illusion of any "moral compass" by the US on things like democracy and elections.

Yet, you can't explain what was wrong or what should have been right about it. Noted.
 
Where the HELL did I state that? Stop making **** up just because you disagree with my view.

Hey, you had the opportunity to explain what should have been done.

If it wasn't wrong, illegal, or anti-democratic, then what was wrong with it? How could it have "shattered" anything?

Explain it. This is your opportunity.
 
LOL it is not a fact that the 2000 election has "issues" in it?

Like it or not, I grew up along with many Europeans, being taught that the US was the beacon of democracy, liberty and freedom, and yet here we had an election that was ... lets just say controversial at best. So yes that illusion we grew up on was shattered in 2000.. like it or not. And that did damage the illusion of any "moral compass" by the US on things like democracy and elections.

It was not the first time. Open a damned history book, the Congress elected the president a couple of times, and the whole Gore thing and the court was a bitch, but guess why we had the court system in place? Jesus. If one controversial election is what it takes to lose our "moral compass" than the damned thing wasn't worth having in the first place.
 
Yet, you can't explain what was wrong or what should have been right about it. Noted.

Why should I explain that? That is not what I am discussing. I am talking about perceptions for god sake.
 
Why should I explain that? That is not what I am discussing. I am talking about perceptions for god sake.

You can't explain why your "perception" is correct, and I'm supposed to take it seriously? It's a perception based on ignorance.
 
You can't explain why your "perception" is correct, and I'm supposed to take it seriously? It's a perception based on ignorance.

Not ignorance, something even more dangerous; horrible partisanship. The R changed to a D, the actions didn't change mind you just the letter and we've gone from having lost our moral compass to regaining it. It shows the sort of resolve and character you're dealing with.
 
God, I hope they got the balls to do it!



Look who's running the government. You actually have to ask that question?

You must have been horrified when Ahmadinejad gave a speech to the UN in 2006 and Chavez gave one to the UN in 2005.

Who was running the government then?
 
It was not the first time. Open a damned history book, the Congress elected the president a couple of times, and the whole Gore thing and the court was a bitch, but guess why we had the court system in place? Jesus. If one controversial election is what it takes to lose our "moral compass" than the damned thing wasn't worth having in the first place.

I dont care if it was not the first time lol... People were not use to hearing of "troubled" elections in the US for peak sake, that is the whole point!

US elections have been transmitted to other countries in a very short time period. Most countries transmitted it on national channels during the night during the late 1980s and 1990s, but in the late 1990s satellite TV news channels started to pop up and the 1996 and 2000 election were the first two fully globally watched elections and what a whopper people got to watch in 2000.. week after week after week..

Hence the perception many people had that the US had a near perfect democracy and election system was shattered because of what they saw on TV. Dont blame me for what they saw, it is your election system and elections, and yes facts are facts on what happened in 2000. We all saw and heard it.
 
I dont care if it was not the first time lol... People were not use to hearing of "troubled" elections in the US for peak sake, that is the whole point!

US elections have been transmitted to other countries in a very short time period. Most countries transmitted it on national channels during the night during the late 1980s and 1990s, but in the late 1990s satellite TV news channels started to pop up and the 1996 and 2000 election were the first two fully globally watched elections and what a whopper people got to watch in 2000.. week after week after week..

Hence the perception many people had that the US had a near perfect democracy and election system was shattered because of what they saw on TV. Dont blame me for what they saw, it is your election system and elections, and yes facts are facts on what happened in 2000. We all saw and heard it.

And? What was wrong with it? What should have been done?
 
I dont care if it was not the first time lol... People were not use to hearing of "troubled" elections in the US for peak sake, that is the whole point!

US elections have been transmitted to other countries in a very short time period. Most countries transmitted it on national channels during the night during the late 1980s and 1990s, but in the late 1990s satellite TV news channels started to pop up and the 1996 and 2000 election were the first two fully globally watched elections and what a whopper people got to watch in 2000.. week after week after week..

Hence the perception many people had that the US had a near perfect democracy and election system was shattered because of what they saw on TV. Dont blame me for what they saw, it is your election system and elections, and yes facts are facts on what happened in 2000. We all saw and heard it.

Mind your own god damned business. If you're gonna bitch and look down on us because we had a close election, then your opinion ain't worth squat and I don't care what it is. "Oh no, the United States is supposed to be perfect and all their elections should be like 100% popular vote for one guy and not the other. Oh how our world view is shattered because the US had a close election! Oh how my ideals were realistic to start with!" Pathetic. This is nothing more than dumb America bashing and trying to blame all the woes on Bush. Y'all ain't much better, you should look after your own business before thumbing your nose at the US. A close election...losing moral compass. HA. Stupid hyperpartisanship and nothing more. Your opinion is worthless, mind your own Ps and Qs.
 
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LOL it is not a fact that the 2000 election has "issues" in it?

Like it or not, I grew up along with many Europeans, being taught that the US was the beacon of democracy, liberty and freedom, and yet here we had an election that was ... lets just say controversial at best. So yes that illusion we grew up on was shattered in 2000.. like it or not. And that did damage the illusion of any "moral compass" by the US on things like democracy and elections.
Well let me blow up your bubble and inform you that an election becoming controversial and then being solved is certainly not a basis for the claim for a lack of Democracy.

The US hasn't lost one bit of its morality, and it certainly still is the beacon of freedom in this world.
 
Ahmadinejad does not deserve an audience. He has lost his right to be taken seriously. Not only would I applaud them walking out on his speech but I'd respect folks just not showing up to hear him in the first place. He's a joke of a leader with zero credibility. Why even bother feigning interest in what he has to say at all? Why even attempt to put on a show of legitimacy for appearances sake? Why does it even matter if he says it today, when he has said it pointedly and clearly yesterday and obviously gets off on the emotional anger it creates? Walking out on him would be cool. Not showing up or sticking around to even hear him utter one word would be even better.
 
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Apparently Canada is going to boycott his speech regardless of what he aims to say. Kudos to them. That's how it should be.
 
this is kind of strange but it is good that germany is holding up to what they did and not dening that it happend
 
Ahmadinejad does not deserve an audience. He has lost his right to be taken seriously. Not only would I applaud them walking out on his speech but I'd respect folks just not showing up to hear him in the first place. He's a joke of a leader with zero credibility. Why even bother feigning interest in what he has to say at all? Why even attempt to put on a show of legitimacy for appearances sake? Why does it even matter if he says it today, when he has said it pointedly and clearly yesterday and obviously gets off on the emotional anger it creates? Walking out on him would be cool. Not showing up or sticking around to even hear him utter one word would be even better.

Actually, I think that showing up for the speech, and then walking out in the middle of it, would send a stronger message than just not showing up.
 
Actually, I think that showing up for the speech, and then walking out in the middle of it, would send a stronger message than just not showing up.

ya thats true but the same message would come acrross but without as many harsh reactions if they just didnt show up
 
Apparently Canada is going to boycott his speech regardless of what he aims to say. Kudos to them. That's how it should be.
They should attend and then walk out.
This causes much more drama and fun.
We all remember the last time that Ahmedinejad gave a speech at the UN:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-lZqEMHMlk&feature=related"]YouTube - diplomats walk out on a racist speech by Iran's president - 4/20/2009[/ame]
 
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