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7 ex CIA Chiefs Ask Obama to Drop AG's Probe

Hatuey said:
Pretty irrelevant.
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& also a violation of law. The law requires you to refuse to carry out illegal orders & has since Nuremberg when...... "I vas just following orders" was not accepted as a reasonable defense.
 
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American said:
Yeah, yeah sure. You're partisan, I have no obligation to take your facts as the facts.
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I'M partisan & you're not????
Don't accept my facts....You have a computer...Find the facts yourself.....They are all lover the place!:lol:
 
Devil505 said:
& also a violation of law. The law requires you to refuse to carry out illegal orders & has since Nuremberg when...... "I vas just following orders" was not accepted as a reasonable defense.
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The just orders fallacy. That somehow because some force from up above is commanding you to carry out certain actions, you are free of guilt or/and consequence.
 
The liberals will never forgive the Republicans for impeaching their precious Clinton.
 
American said:
The liberals will never forgive the Republicans for impeaching their precious Clinton.
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We'll never forgive them for using OUR taxpayer dollars for their political witch hunt.....You got that right.(personally, I didn't vote for Clinton anyway but the impeachment sham was inexcusable & one of the main reason why the American voter turned against the GOP, imo)
 
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American said:
The liberals will never forgive the Republicans for impeaching their precious Clinton.
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....And Conservatives will never get Clinton's dick out of their mouths.
 
ScottD said:
I think Obama is going about this wrong
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you illustrate, therefore, how clumsy is this move by obama, what a political loser it is

another gentleman on this thread calls for the purging of ms pelosi as palsied speakeress

there ya go

the same fella, however, brings up nuremberg

which, with all due respect, must elicit an LOL!

goering, streicher, frick and frank, to less partisan, politically propelled americans, do not merit mention in the same sentence with david passaro
 
The Prof said:
you illustrate, therefore, how clumsy is this move by obama, what a political loser it is
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& we certainly should take your political opinions/judegments as better than Obama's, right? (After all ....what has Obama ever done politically compared to a man of your vast political experience!:doh
 
Devil505 said:
Those AUSA's were still working for Bush.
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No, the AUSA's were career prosecutors.

What you are saying is that if Al Capone had been in charge of finding bootlegging problems in 1920's Chicago... & of course found nothing....that we should accept that investigation as a real one??:lol:
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The fact that you would even think to make this analogy indicates that you have no idea how the USAO's work and that it's pointless for me to bother explaining.

Those AUSA's were under extreme pressure to not find anything wrong or they would have been fired, plain & simple (Just like the 7 U.S. Attys who WERE fired for political reasons)
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Link? If that's true, why did they prosecute one guy?
 
RightinNYC said:
No, the AUSA's were career prosecutors.
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Career or not, they still work for the Executive Brnch & Bush was the chief executive. (are you seriously going to argue that government employees do not work under a President in the chain of command?)



RightinNYC said:
The fact that you would even think to make this analogy indicates that you have no idea how the USAO's work and that it's pointless for me to bother explaining.
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I have worked with AUSA's most of my life & know that ALL government employees are subject to pressure from above them. (I assume AUSA is what you meant when you typed USAO's above?....I have no idea what a USAO is if not??)



RightinNYC said:
Link? If that's true, why did they prosecute one guy?
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It's being investigated right now & prosecutions will undoubtedly be coming. I don't have time to find links for your right now but just Google U.S. Atty firings & you'll find plenty.
 
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Devil505 said:
Career or not, they still work for the Executive Brnch & Bush was the chief executive. (are you seriously going to argue that government employees do not work under a President in the chain of command?)

I have worked with AUSA's (I assume that is what you meant when you typed USAO's above?) most of my life & know that ALL government employees are subject to pressure from above them.
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USAO = US Atty. Office

Of course they're part of the executive branch, but career prosecutors in the DoJ have a large degree of autonomy. The EDVA in particular has been noted for its independence and integrity. You're making ridiculous assertions without any clue of what you're talking about.


It's being investigated right now & prosecutions will undoubtedly be coming. I don't have time to find links for your right now but just Google U.S. Atty firings & you'll find plenty.
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You're misunderstanding me. When the AUSAs investigated these issues years ago, they did bring charges against one individual who was eventually convicted. This directly contradicts your bull**** claim that "Those AUSA's were under extreme pressure to not find anything wrong or they would have been fired, plain & simple."
 
RightinNYC said:
Of course they're part of the executive branch, but career prosecutors in the DoJ have a large degree of autonomy. The EDVA in particular has been noted for its independence and integrity.
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They did have "a large degree of autonomy" prior to the Bush Justice Dept...........Bush changed all that & I suggest you watch some of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing available here C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics to see how badly politicized the Bush Justice Dept was made. (I would also suggest you contact Senator Whitehouse's office for info on this)




RightinNYC said:
You're misunderstanding me. When the AUSAs investigated these issues years ago, they did bring charges against one individual who was eventually convicted. This directly contradicts your bull**** claim that "Those AUSA's were under extreme pressure to not find anything wrong or they would have been fired, plain & simple."
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I did misunderstand you & would have to look into your claim that that charges were brought. Even if true, it's a stretch to believe the Bush Justice Dept would investigate itself...impartially!:lol:
 
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Devil505 said:
They did have "a large degree of autonomy" prior to the Bush Justice Dept...........Bush changed all that & I suggest you watch some of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing available here C-SPAN | Capitol Hill, The White House and National Politics to see how badly politicized the Bush Justice Dept was made. (I would also suggest you contact Senator Whitehouse's office for info on this)
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Sure, let me just ask a liberal Democratic Senator whether he thinks Republicans politicized something. Can't see how that would be a problem.


I did misunderstand you & would have to look into your claim that that charges were brought. Even if true, it's a stretch to believe the Bush Justice Dept would investigate itself...impartially!:lol:
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No, you don't have to "look into my claim," as it's explicitly stated in the OP. This is kind of an important facet of the story.
 
RightinNYC said:
Sure, let me just ask a liberal Democratic Senator whether he thinks Republicans politicized something. Can't see how that would be a problem.
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I'll concede your point.:lol:...but still suggest you watch some of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings...specifically involving the firings of the 7 U.S. Atts. jujst to see how badly corrupted & demoralized Bush's Justice Dept was.




RightinNYC said:
No, you don't have to "look into my claim," as it's explicitly stated in the OP. This is kind of an important facet of the story.
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Are you really trying to sell the idea that the Bush Justice Dept would perform a completely impartial investigation....of itself??
(if you are, I suggest you are a bit naive as to the way Washington works!)
 
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Devil505 said:
I'll concede your point.:lol:...but still suggest you watch some of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearings...specifically involving the firings of the 7 U.S. Atts. jujst to see how badly corrupted & demoralized Bush's Justice Dept was.
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Weren't you just complaining about millions of dollars being spent on political witch hunts?
 
apdst said:
Weren't you just complaining about millions of dollars being spent on political witch hunts?
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For Witch hunts absolutely a waste........To protect our system of government from abuses?.....Money well spent.
 
The Prof said:
you illustrate, therefore, how clumsy is this move by obama, what a political loser it is
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I see you took Twisting Words 101, just like every Fox News host.

I would rather have him prosecute someone then prosecute no one. I was just putting out a third option that would be better then the other two.
 
who's twisting, i pushed the "quote" button

you said "obama is going about this wrong"

remember?

i've never even been on fox

???
 
Devil505 said:
For Witch hunts absolutely a waste........To protect our system of government from abuses?.....Money well spent.
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When it's a Libbo, it's a witch hunt. When it's a Republican, we're protecting the country. And, those are really the only two variables there are. Ain't that right?
 
apdst said:
When it's a Libbo, it's a witch hunt. When it's a Republican, we're protecting the country. And, those are really the only two variables there are. Ain't that right?
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In those 2 cases ....Yes.
 
apdst said:
When it's a Libbo, it's a witch hunt. When it's a Republican, we're protecting the country. And, those are really the only two variables there are. Ain't that right?
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You do realize just how stupid this sounds, right?
 
apdst said:
Then, maybe you shouldn't bother responding to it?
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On one hand, a blowjob, on the other, torturing of US detainees. I can see how they are identical.
 
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