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Obama scraps Bush-era missile defense for new plan

PogueMoran said:
Honestly, I think we should worry more about the people who recently acquired them than Iran. Most people think their president is crazy, and he is, but he holds no power. With Israel next door with Nukes they're pretty kept in check. Also they're less of a threat than say China who could strike our western seaboard. Iran is years off and doesn't have ICBM capabilities.
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Secretly, I offered to bet Harshaw $50 that you'd dodge the question.

Good thing he didn't take it.
 
scourge99 said:
nor can they deny.

which documents? All you have is bald faced assertions.
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Bald faced assertions? You mean like claiming they had nuclear power plants capable of producing weapons grade material?

Short of confirmation all you have is a theory.
 
PogueMoran said:
No one claimed they did? So it was your twin that said this on the first page?

"they have a nuclear power plant that is capable of producing weapons grade material"
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I was technically inaccurate about something irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that the experts believe Iran has the capability to produce weapons grade material and a weapon in 6 to 12 months assuming it isn't already doing so.
 
Goobieman said:
Secretly, I offered to bet Harshaw $50 that you'd dodge the question.

Good thing he didn't take it.
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Not a dodge. I answered the question they're many years off and lack the delivery capability. Having the information is not the same as actively building nukes or trying to
 
scourge99 said:
I was technically inaccurate about something irrelevant. It doesn't change the fact that the experts believe Iran has the capability to produce weapons grade material and a weapon in 6 to 12 months assuming it isn't already doing so.
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No they confirmed they have the information to produce but the question is do they actually have the capabilities to build and launch a nuke and then if they have delivery capabilities. Not the same thing
 
PogueMoran said:
You should try not guessing what other people say after the other debate where you totally stopped talking after creating a logical fallacy.
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:rofl

I pointed out YOUR logical fallacy on THIS thread -- and you havent addressed it at all.

:rofl
 
PogueMoran said:
Not a dodge. I answered the question they're many years off and lack the delivery capability. Having the information is not the same as actively building nukes or trying to
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:rofl

Not only did you dodge the question, but you dont have the intellectual honesty to admit it.

:rofl
 
Goobieman said:
:rofl
Not only did you dodge the question, but you dont have the intellectual honesty to admit it.
:rofl
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I answered the question its not a dodge. You can't seem to understand it as with most things.
 
PogueMoran said:
I answered the question its not a dodge.
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You -did- post a reponse, this much is true.
Your response, however, did not address the question that was put to you.
You can't seem to understand that, as with most things.
 
Goobieman said:
:rofl

I pointed out YOUR logical fallacy on THIS thread -- and you havent addressed it at all.

:rofl
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What your claim that I don't know? Absent of any physical proof what exactly do you know? I try to base an opinion on something that has proof analyze the data and adjust as I get new information. What exactly do you do with new information?
 
Goobieman said:
You -did- post a reponse, this much is true.
Your response, however, did not address the question that was put to you.
You can't seem to understand that, as with most things.
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I answered the question directly. I also answered it to you. Enough with your stinger shuffle carryover from the other thread
 
PogueMoran said:
I answered the question its not a dodge. You can't seem to understand it as with most things.
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Are they working on it? A bomb, and the capability of delivering it?

Yes or no? That would be a "direct answer."
 
Harshaw said:
Are they working on it? A bomb, and the capability of delivering it?

Yes or no? That would be a "direct answer."
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yes is this direct for you
 
Harshaw said:
Are they working on it? A bomb, and the capability of delivering it?

Yes or no? That would be a "direct answer."
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They have information is what the IAEA stated. They did not confirm they were actively working on one, that they had delivery capability, or that we should fear for our lives as scourge stated earlier.

Until I get actual confirming information I can give you a maybe. But once again they are no threat to the US
 
PogueMoran said:
I answered the question directly.
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Please quote the part of your answer where you directly tell us if you do or do not think they are developing nukes and/or the missiles to deliver them.

Copy/paste -- its easy to do.
 
PogueMoran said:
They have information is what the IAEA stated. They did not confirm they were actively working on one, that they had delivery capability, or that we should fear for our lives as scourge stated earlier.

Until I get actual confirming information I can give you a maybe. But once again they are no threat to the US
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But Israel definitely has nukes?
 
PogueMoran said:
Until I get actual confirming information I can give you a maybe.
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Ah. And what did I say you'd say?

"Absent any direct evidence, the only honest opinion I can have is that I do not know".
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Wow.

And what how did you respond to that?

You should try not guessing what other people say
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:rofl

That was just TOO easy.
 
PogueMoran said:
the question is do they actually have the capabilities to build
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yes they said they would in 6 to 12 months

and launch a nuke and then if they have delivery capabilities. Not the same thing
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so you have an argument to silence??? No one has said one way or another so it means they can't? :lol:
 
Harshaw said:
Based on what confirmation?
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Depends on the source but anywhere from 40 to 200. Wiki lists different numbers. Multiple sites list different things. But The IAEA's Director General in 2004 stated in an interview that Isreal is a nation that possesses nuclear arms. Not one that is developing them but actually possesses them.

Transcript: Director General's Al-Ahram Interview - 27 July 2004

Israel refuses to comply with non-proliferation and does not allow inspectors into their country.
 
PogueMoran said:
Depends on the source but anywhere from 40 to 200. Wiki lists different numbers. Multiple sites list different things. But The IAEA's Director General in 2004 stated in an interview that Isreal is a nation that possesses nuclear arms. Not one that is developing them but actually possesses them.

Transcript: Director General's Al-Ahram Interview - 27 July 2004

Israel refuses to comply with non-proliferation and does not allow inspectors into their country.
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OK. So this is good enough for you re: Israel, but Iran developing weapons rates a "maybe"?

I think I've made my point.
 
Goobieman said:
Ah. And what did I say you'd say?



Wow.

And what how did you respond to that?



:rofl

That was just TOO easy.
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I don't know exactly what you're laughing about. Without any evidence you can't really give a definitive yes or no. Unless you make conclusions based on your own thoughts and not necessarily the evidence.
 
Harshaw said:
OK. So this is good enough for you re: Israel, but Iran developing weapons rates a "maybe"?

I think I've made my point.
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No you haven't. Come now even you can admit there's a difference between stating a nation possesses actual nuclear weapons and saying a nation has the information but can't confirm if they're actively building and have delivery capabilities.
 
PogueMoran said:
I don't know exactly what you're laughing about.
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:rofl

That you gave the answer I said you'd give, AFTER telling me that I should not try giessing other people's answers, and AFTER you tried to dodge the question in its entirety?

:rofl
 
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