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75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the U.S

Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

No, I'm writing it off as high school kids don't give a **** and don't care about answering phone surveys about boring ****.

I'm also loath to believe these results when the organization commissioning the polls was very clearly seeking this exact result.

Look at some of the responses:

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Here's the things that immediately pop into mind:

-"I don't know" is pretty much the most popular answer. I would bet that's due to kids not really giving a **** about the survey.

-Many kids were obviously just ****ing with the pollsters. Do you think that kids actually believed that Michael Jackson wrote the Declaration of Independence? Or that a full 10% of the state believes that the first president was GWB or Obama?

-Some of the questions are just plain wrong - The governor is the head of a executive branch.

I say the same thing every time someone comes out with one of these "omg our youth are so dumb!!!!111" surveys. The secret truth that olds don't want you to know is that despite all this, today's youth are by and large significantly smarter and more talented than any previous generation.

I will grant you that some kids were fx..ing around with the polsters I have done that. I never give them my real income I just multiply it by 100.

Yet I will say that the survey is close in the general results. When I was still working in the corporate world as an auditor I asked a claim processor to gwt me their instruction files on how they handle foreign claims and the girl/woman sent me their files for New Mexico, Peurto Rico, US Vergin Islands and then I almost fell out of my chair when I say hawaii included in her collection of there thar ferrin procedure files.
 
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OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

1 New Hampshire 1556
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2 Massachusetts 1547
.
3 Vermont 1542
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4 Connecticut 1534
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5 Virginia 1521
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6 New Jersey 1505
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7 Maryland 1497
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8 Rhode Island 1488
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9 North Carolina 1486
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10 Indiana 1483
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11 Delaware 1477
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12 Pennsylvania 1477
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13 New York 1465
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14 Georgia 1460
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15 South Carolina 1452
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16 Maine 1390


Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?

Not surprised that the Maniacs as in 16th place of this list and beat out by Georgia and "you lie" South Carolina.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

1 New Hampshire 1556 (Blue)
.
2 Massachusetts 1547 (Blue)
.
3 Vermont 1542 (Blue)
.
4 Connecticut 1534 (Blue)
.
5 Virginia 1521 (Blue)
.
6 New Jersey 1505 (Blue)
.
7 Maryland 1497 (Blue)
.
8 Rhode Island 1488 (Blue)
.
9 North Carolina 1486 (Blue)
.
10 Indiana 1483 (Blue)
.
11 Delaware 1477 (Blue)
.
12 Pennsylvania 1477 (Blue)
.
13 New York 1465 (Blue)
.
14 Georgia 1460 (Red)
.
15 South Carolina 1452 (Red)
.
16 Maine 1390 (Blue)


Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?

Terminology fail.

If you define "blue state" as a state that voted for Obama, then most of the country is blue anyways.

New Hampshire, Virginia, New Jersey, North Carolina, Indiana, and Pennsylvania range from purple to leaning red. Overall that list is pretty balanced between liberal and conservative states.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?

Another person who apparently can't read the fine print.

You've listed the top 16 of the 17 states that have over 60% SAT participation, which are the only ones listed at your link.

As was noted earlier in this thread, students in the Northeast tend to take the SAT while students elsewhere tend to take the ACT.

If you actually look at the SAT scores for those students who take it in those other states (not that it's a good analogy, but hey, you brought it up), you'd see that OK beats the living **** out of every state that you list, with an average SAT of 1703.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Actually, I have never found any proof that Peyton Randolph, our first President, ever owned slaves. :mrgreen:

Nor that he was a distiller, nor was he in the military. While he was from Virginia, he was a lawyer and politician, not a plantation owner.
Save the bull**** argument about the President of the Congress for another website.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

I'll bet they'll remember the name of President Obama, the greatest president who every lived and whoever will live. :lol: :spin:
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Terminology fail.

If you define "blue state" as a state that voted for Obama, then most of the country is blue anyways.

New Hampshire, Virginia, New Jersey, North Carolina, Indiana, and Pennsylvania range from purple to leaning red. Overall that list is pretty balanced between liberal and conservative states.

And if you went by Reagan vs Mondale, these are ALL red states.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

OK...here are the 2009 Mean SAT scores by state according to the college board. - See Site Here

1 New Hampshire 1556 (Blue)
.
2 Massachusetts 1547 (Blue)
.
3 Vermont 1542 (Blue)
.
4 Connecticut 1534 (Blue)
.
5 Virginia 1521 (Blue)
.
6 New Jersey 1505 (Blue)
.
7 Maryland 1497 (Blue)
.
8 Rhode Island 1488 (Blue)
.
9 North Carolina 1486 (Blue)
.
10 Indiana 1483 (Blue)
.
11 Delaware 1477 (Blue)
.
12 Pennsylvania 1477 (Blue)
.
13 New York 1465 (Blue)
.
14 Georgia 1460 (Red)
.
15 South Carolina 1452 (Red)
.
16 Maine 1390 (Blue)


Does anyone notice how blue the top 16 is?

Does anyone else notice that they are the whitest states in the country?
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Virginia is not really a full blooded blue state.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

I'll bet they'll remember the name of President Obama, the greatest president who every lived and whoever will live. :lol: :spin:

There's going to be a whole chapter set aside for his ass.:rofl
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

There's going to be a whole chapter set aside for his ass.:rofl
Maybe even an entire semester.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Maybe even an entire semester.

I wouldn't be a damn bit surprised.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Is this limited to the "rednecks" in Ok?
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

I think it is fairly apparent that Americans are just generally ignorant.

Young Americans Geographically Illiterate, Survey Suggests

- 63 percent of Americans aged 18 to 24 failed to correctly locate (Iraq) on a map of the Middle East.
- Seventy percent could not find Iran or Israel.
- Nine in ten couldn't find Afghanistan on a map of Asia.
- 54 percent were unaware that Sudan is a country in Africa. Three-quarters of respondents failed to find that country on a map.
- Three-quarters were unaware that a majority of Indonesia's population is Muslim, making it the largest Muslim country in the world.

Young Americans Geographically Illiterate, Survey Suggests
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Another person who apparently can't read the fine print.

You've listed the top 16 of the 17 states that have over 60% SAT participation, which are the only ones listed at your link.

As was noted earlier in this thread, students in the Northeast tend to take the SAT while students elsewhere tend to take the ACT.

If you actually look at the SAT scores for those students who take it in those other states (not that it's a good analogy, but hey, you brought it up), you'd see that OK beats the living **** out of every state that you list, with an average SAT of 1703.

Out of fairness, it would be extremely helpful if somebody had a list of the percentage of students that take each respective test by state. States with a lower percentage of students taking a test are more likely to have higher scores, especially when this is not the norm. This is due to the fact that SAT and ACT tests are not a random sampling, they are comprised of the most motivated and academically prepared students among their peers. When students take the SAT in an ACT dominated region, this would mean they are appealing to schools outside that region- often times private schools in the northeast or larger state schools out west. And if you want to link politics in, those eastern private schools tend to have top notch programs in poli sci, humanities, and business, programs that rely more upon history than larger state schools, which tend to have a bigger balance with science and engineering programs.
 
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Like these Oklahoma statistics.....Yes teenage pregnancy and poor education don't go hand in hand do they?

http://www.americaforpurchase.com/w...hest_divorce__teen_pregnancy___porm_rates.jpg

What it boils down to is poor rural whites who will not fund their schools properly. Teacher Salaries By State | Average Salaries For Teachers | Beginning Salaries For Teachers | Teacher Raises | TeacherPortal.com
(Notice the list of States valuing teachers the least...it's a who's who of Red States)

Too busy at their local Baptist church demonizing gays and minorities.

Painting with a broad brush will only make you look as ignorant as these individuals unfamiliar with George Washington.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Actually, I have never found any proof that Peyton Randolph, our first President, ever owned slaves. :mrgreen:

Nor that he was a distiller, nor was he in the military. While he was from Virginia, he was a lawyer and politician, not a plantation owner.

I see what you did there. ;)

For those of you who do not know, Randolph was the first President of the Continental Congress, the first national government of the United States during the American Revolution.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

OK, that indicates that 2% are ****ing with the pollsters.



I wouldn't be at all surprised if they did, honestly.



Combine the two correct answers (president and governor) and that's still only 39%.



I think you'd find roughly the same results if you conducted this survey on adults instead of just high school students. It's not so much a matter of YOUTH being dumb...it's a matter of most people being dumb. And they definitely are.

I think you are missing the point... people **** with pollsters. Then people, such as the OP, actually take these results seriously. I find it hard to believe that any high school student without a mental disorder thinks that our current President was also our first President. :doh
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

I see what you did there. ;)

For those of you who do not know, Randolph was the first President of the Continental Congress, the first national government of the United States during the American Revolution.

Off topic, but would the continental congress be considered a past government of our current nation? I guess I always though of that period as a transitional authority, and that the history of the (current) U.S. didn't start until after the revolution and the United States was recognized abroad. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Thread: I use numbers and charts to justify my irritating political tendencies without thinking deeper about why students are not producing the desired outcome.
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

where is this statistic coming from it just sounds like a lie:confused:
 
Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

I think it is fairly apparent that Americans are just generally ignorant.

Young Americans Geographically Illiterate, Survey Suggests

- 63 percent of Americans aged 18 to 24 failed to correctly locate (Iraq) on a map of the Middle East. - Seventy percent could not find Iran or Israel.
- Nine in ten couldn't find Afghanistan on a map of Asia.
- 54 percent were unaware that Sudan is a country in Africa. Three-quarters of respondents failed to find that country on a map.
- Three-quarters were unaware that a majority of Indonesia's population is Muslim, making it the largest Muslim country in the world.

Young Americans Geographically Illiterate, Survey Suggests

Well when you read from maps like this it's no surprise.

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Re: 75 Percent of Oklahoma High School Students Can't Name the First President of the

Off topic, but would the continental congress be considered a past government of our current nation? I guess I always though of that period as a transitional authority, and that the history of the (current) U.S. didn't start until after the revolution and the United States was recognized abroad. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.
The United States, as a political entity and as a country, began during the revolution.

The current government of the United States was created in 1788 upon ratification of the current Constitution.
 
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