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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

Keep the bar high. :rofl

I have dreams.

If all else fails, i'll fly to US and kidnap and drug him for a few weeks and feed him full of viagra :shock:

Not that i am planning to commit the crime *cough*
 
1. Not discount the warnings of field FBI agents concerned about Arab men , paying with cash, for flight lessons to fly airliners...in flight.

Yeah. As if he actually did. :roll:

2. Not listen to a CIA PDI (Presidential Daily Briefing) warning of imminent attack within the U.S.....one mo nth before the attack itself...& then go on vacation for the entire month of aAugust/2001.

Those are just for starters!

Obviously, you didn't get the "specific" part (aside from the fact that these are both things he "shouldn't" have done, not the steps he should have taken).

But that's OK; I knew you'd have bupkis. It was simply worth pointing it out.
 
Shed intrusion tools : Check

Colin Firth mask : Check
 
Yeah. As if he actually did. :roll:
When I have time I'll google links for you on how the FBI tried to warn headquarters & were told not to worry about it. You can find itr easily too. (don't have time until later)



Obviously, you didn't get the "specific" part (aside from the fact that these are both things he "shouldn't" have done, not the steps he should have taken).

But that's OK; I knew you'd have bupkis. It was simply worth pointing it out.

You are grasping at straws here with your BS semantics...what he should have vs shouldn't have done.....Suppose he had been at work rather than on vacation the entire month preceding the attack......Think that MAY have changed things???...MAYBE???
 
If one is to put it on any president a stronger case could still be put on Clinton for why the attacks were successful. Even then though, you couldn't say it was a majority his fault.

Here's my two cents about Clinton using my "hyper partisan right wing" Conservative point of view:

Although there is evidence that Clinton MIGHT have been able to take out Bin Laden thus POSSIBLY avoiding the events leading up to 9-11; this is pure speculation and cannot be supported by any facts.

The real reasons that 9-11 eventually succeeded was because the entire nation suffered a national amnesia of the threat of terrorism and found the idea those hijackers would fly large airliners into high rise buildings, the Pentagon or the Capital, nearly an impossible notion. Clancy even wrote a book suggesting this possibility.

History taught us that hijacking airliners would serve a political purpose like getting terrorists released from prisons or making political statements and typically ended on the ground with minimal loss of life. We became complacent that our airport security was sufficient to prevent such a takeover without the benefit of guns/weapons.

The events culminating in 9-11 were beyond the scale of anything previously believed and in MY opinion, an outright act of war on this nation and its institutions. The only reason the Capital or White House were not a victim was the bravery and act of heroism of the occupants of the United Flight.

So even as a "hyper Right wing partisan," blaming Clinton, even partially in my opinion, for the events on 9-11 is about as asinine as blaming Bush.
 
I have dreams.

If all else fails, i'll fly to US and kidnap and drug him for a few weeks and feed him full of viagra :shock:

Not that i am planning to commit the crime *cough*

:rofl ....... I am impressed that you have even thought out a plan to achieve this sinister goal.
 
You are grasping at straws here with your BS semantics...what he should have vs shouldn't have done.....Suppose he had been at work rather than on vacation the entire month preceding the attack......Think that MAY have changed things???...MAYBE???

Until you answer the question:

And what exactly is that you think he should have done -- what specific steps should he have taken -- to stop it from happening, based on the information he had? Specifics. Oh, and be 100% consistent with the Bill of Rights.

I have nothing else to say.
 
blaming Clinton, even partially in my opinion, for the events on 9-11 is about as asinine as blaming Bush.

One slight problem with your thesis of blame for Bush being asinine:

Bush was President for almost a year before the attack & on the day of it........Clinton was not.
 
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:rofl ....... I am impressed that you have even thought out a plan to achieve this sinister goal.

No one report me :shock:
I need my visa to US first otherwise how else am i going to achieve my goal?! lol

What, am i the only one who thinks of things like this? Now i just sound weird. Doesn't everyone do it? :3oops:
 
I have dreams.

If all else fails, i'll fly to US and kidnap and drug him for a few weeks and feed him full of viagra :shock:

Not that i am planning to commit the crime *cough*

That's OK; I'm working on a master plan to get Isla Fisher into mine. :2razz:
 
That's OK; I'm working on a master plan to get Isla Fisher into mine. :2razz:

I approve.
She is pretty damn hot. If i was gay, i would.
 
No one report me :shock:
I need my visa to US first otherwise how else am i going to achieve my goal?! lol

You need a Visa to visit the US now?

What, am i the only one who thinks of things like this? Now i just sound weird. Doesn't everyone do it? :3oops:

I don't think so; and it is obviously the fantasy of any man with raging hormones and more testosterone than brains. It is the one time I think Conservatives and Liberals unite in a common cause.

:cool:
 
Yes, you were clear. And my points all remain extremely valid and spot on in regards to whether you're talking about the attack itself or the success of the attack itself. Placing the majority or all the blame on the Bush Administration for the success is complete and utter ignorance and strains all credibility. If one is to put it on any president a stronger case could still be put on Clinton for why the attacks were successful. Even then though, you couldn't say it was a majority his fault. The attacks were successful for a plethora of reasons and only an absolute hack, someone ignorant of the situation, or someone blindly hyper partisan...or a mix of them all...could in any way shape or form say that a majority or all the blame should, could, or does fall on a singular administration.

I'll respond to this with the same response I gave to TD for a similar defense of Bush:


Bush was President for almost a year before the attack & on the day of it........Clinton was not.
 
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That's OK; I'm working on a master plan to get Isla Fisher into mine. :2razz:

Sorry dude, but I am going with Kate Beckinsale as being the ultimate of my desires; that bitch can shove me in a shed and bite my neck till I die any day. :shock:
 
Sorry dude, but I am going with Kate Beckinsale as being the ultimate of my desires; that bitch can shove me in a shed and bite my neck till I die any day. :shock:

She's already in. :2wave:
 
You need a Visa to visit the US now?

I don't think so; and it is obviously the fantasy of any man with raging hormones and more testosterone than brains. It is the one time I think Conservatives and Liberals unite in a common cause.

:cool:

I have better chances of getting into hell than i do getting into US. Do you know how many forms i have to fill out? Ridiculous.

Amazing, you'd think sex would be one thing we would differ on =D
 
Sorry dude, but I am going with Kate Beckinsale as being the ultimate of my desires; that bitch can shove me in a shed and bite my neck till I die any day. :shock:

Kate would be on my list as well.
I'd jump ship for her, i have said so before.
 
One slight problem with your thesis of blame for Bush being asinine:

Bush was President for almost a year before the attack & on the day of it........Clinton was not.

Is there a point to this? You think that Terrorists suddenly woke up one day and decided that because Bush was sworn in as President, now was the time to fly planes into the world trade center?

I guess your selective memory forgets that the first attempt on the WTC was made while Clinton was President.

Good lord dude, usually when someone digs a hole, they try to stop before they get too deep; your attempts amounts to covering yourself with the dirt after you get into the hole. :rofl
 
Kate would be on my list as well.
I'd jump ship for her, i have said so before.

Although she was HOT in Underworld, she was delightfully serendipitous in Serendipity. It is one of a few chick flicks I really enjoyed. ::sighs::
 
Two things. Firstly, as to the OP, I still have seen zero evidence that what Wilson said was racially motivated. NONE.

Secondly, as to where this thread seems to be heading. Blaming 9/11 on Clinton or Bush is silly. 9/11 is the fault of the terrorists who planned it and carried out the plan.
 
I'll respond to this with the same response I gave to TD for a similar defense of Bush:

And I'll tell you what I hope he told you.

"What's your point?"

Are you seriously trying to imply that the past actions of a country, or of an administration, have absolutely no bearing on the present and actions taken in the past can't lead to the circumstances of the present that cause the potential actions?

For example, a hypothesis...

If not for the Gorelick Wall then the FBI along with numerous other law enforcement and intelligence organizations could've concievably actually put together a better understanding of the situation and rather than telling the Bush Administration that an "attack was imminent", something I dare say is strangely not to uncommon of a thing in regards to intelligence gathering, they could've given him far more information that was actually actionable rather than a nebulous bit of information he was given. However, such was not possible because the Wall was there and information wasn't shared and thus a clear picture wasn't had and thus the information needed to stop such an act wasn't likely to be able to be figured out in the first place.

To take a notion that the actions, policies, and decisions of past Presidents are absolutely absolved and forgotten and all issues coming from those things immedietely fall completely, fully, and unquestionably onto the fault and blame of the current President...or hell, remove president and insert ANYTHING....is an incredibly illogical and unrealistic way of viewing any situation as you're basically believing that everything and anything exists in some sort of vacuum or bubble.
 
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I have better chances of getting into hell than i do getting into US. Do you know how many forms i have to fill out? Ridiculous.

I am confused; what numerous forms would it take for a short visit to kidnap your hottie?

I have never filled out many forms to get into any country other than the typical one page declaration.

Amazing, you'd think sex would be one thing we would differ on =D

I stated that it was something in "COMMON," not one that we differed on. ;)
 
9/11 is the fault of the terrorists who planned it and carried out the plan.

Don't leave out the Mullahs and the Imams, oh wait, you already said terrorists, so nevermind :)
 
Two things. Firstly, as to the OP, I still have seen zero evidence that what Wilson said was racially motivated. NONE.

Secondly, as to where this thread seems to be heading. Blaming 9/11 on Clinton or Bush is silly. 9/11 is the fault of the terrorists who planned it and carried out the plan.

I think some of us are desperately desirous of wandering off topic with Laila to avoid the stupidity of the premise that Wilson’s comments were racist, Jallman is a racist hick or that Bush and Clinton were culpable in 9-11.

That is my theory. ::shrugs:: Sometimes, threads have a life of their own and in this case, for the better; thank you Laila! :cool:
 
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