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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

It takes quite a few leaps in logic to think that "You lie." is racist.
 
I don't think the debate over HC reform is as simple as pure greed on the part of those who oppose it. I don't think race really plays a role at all. You don't see this sort of reaction towards some of Obama's other policies, and I have no doubt that there would be a big furor if a white person was trying to overhaul our HC system.

I think people with good jobs with full coverage don't really understand the struggles of people such as farmers, temp workers, independent contractors, consultants, people who sell on eBay, whatever. They have to scramble to get insurance. And what about when someone does get sick, say with cancer or an injury and can't work for a long time? They will lose their job eventually and have to pay COBRA payments and will only be able to keep that going for 18 months then would need to reapply with a pre existing condition.

These become big problems for people if they end up faced with them. Meanwhile, dirt poor, irresponsible people, including illegal immigrants, can waltz into any ER without a care in the world and recieve every type of expensive care, free of charge. Well, so can the person who lost their job but they probably have something to lose like their house.

So people who have basically played by the rules and run into some hard times get the shaft, after paying taxes for years to subsidize the healthcare costs for the dirt poor and illegals.
 
the next thing you know they will be talking about a hate crime ..
 
Alex said:
"Former President Jimmy Carter said Tuesday that U.S. Rep. Joe Wilson's outburst to President Barack Obama during a speech to Congress last week was an act 'based on racism' and rooted in fears of a black president."

"'I think it's based on racism,' Carter said in response to an audience question at a town hall held at his presidential center in Atlanta. 'There is an inherent feeling among many in this country that an African-American should not be president.'"

I am failing to see how Wilson's outburst was in any way a racist one. Every comment made against an ethnic minority is not racist, there should be real reason to believe it is before making the accusation. Otherwise, it just makes the issue worse by adding more situations it can used in, even though there is no justification to do so.

What exactly was racist about it? Are people going to get tired of being accused of racism with it eventually backfiring on people like Carter who use it to explain something it is not related to?

Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism' - Yahoo! News
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Carter has moved beyond simple stupidity to complete asshat. Why anyone takes this pathetic moron seriously anymore defies logic. :doh
 
Truth Detector said:
Carter has moved beyond simple stupidity to complete asshat. Why anyone takes this pathetic moron seriously anymore defies logic. :doh
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I don't think he's a moron. He is a very bright fellow actually. But, he's one of those people who becomes more and more opinionated and extreme as he ages. And, he IS aging, he's now 85 years old, and is probably starting to slip.
 
Most of Wilson's own allies didn't even vote to keep flying the Confederate flag.

Don't tell me Wilson isn't at least a closet racist, you don't vote to keep a flag that represents hatred, slavery and racism and then think you're a multi-cultural accepting modern citizen of the world.
 
Alex said:
I am failing to see how Wilson's outburst was in any way a racist one.
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Since the only way of actually knowing what Wilson's motive was would be to be able to read his mind.....Are you claiming that ability?
 
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The_Limt said:
Most of Wilson's own allies didn't even vote to keep flying the Confederate flag.

Don't tell me Wilson isn't at least a closet racist, you don't vote to keep a flag that represents hatred, slavery and racism and then think you're a multi-cultural accepting modern citizen of the world.
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That's a very skewed perception of what that flag means.
 
The_Limt said:
No it isn't.

Its very obvious what that flag represents.
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Oh but it is a very skewed perception...

And if it were so damned "obvious", there wouldn't even be an argument over it.

The flag represents rebellion against unfair economic aggression by the northern states, the pride the south has in its agrarian culture, and the bravery of the men who died trying to protect the sovereignty of the states against the steady encroachment of the fed.
 
At least any THINKING individual doesn't believe it was racially motivated, even with an ex failure president saying it is.
 
Devil505 said:
Since the only way of actually knowing what Wilson's motive was would be to be able to read his mind.....Are you claiming that ability?
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I think that moniker is best applied to those claiming the racism. Others state that there isn't enough evidence to say that this comment was motivated by racism.
 
jallman said:
Oh but it is a very skewed perception...

And if it were so damned "obvious", there wouldn't even be an argument over it.

The flag represents rebellion against unfair economic aggression by the northern states, the pride the south has in its agrarian culture, and the bravery of the men who died trying to protect the sovereignty of the states against the steady encroachment of the fed.
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First I'm going to respond to your comment that " If it were so damned obvious there wouldn't even be an argument over it."

Is this a serious comment? Is this truly a serious response? Thats like saying if it were so obvious the world is round and not flat, there wouldn't even be an argument over it."

Secondly, I cannot begin to tell you how many times I have heard the "States Rights" defense.

By the way, the first state that seceeded did so because of the election of Lincoln, precisly because he was an abolitionist.

I have to question your seriousness once again, but i feel your hypocrisy has to be illustrated.

How can you sit there and defend a 'southern system' that claims to just be defending their freedom against the Federal government when they so malevolently denied that same freedom to slaves?

It is a flag of hatred, oppression, violence and racism.

It is also a flag of traitors.

But go ahead and defend slavery as an institution.

Hide your true feelings with sneaky words like "unfair economic aggression."

I had to laugh out loud when you said that, how dare you.

How dare you defend an entire 'culture', if you can call it that, whose very economy depended heavily on the bondage of others.

Seriously, how dare you.
 
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Is this a serious comment? Is this truly a serious response? Thats like saying if it were so obvious the world is round and not flat, there wouldn't even be an argument over it."
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There wouldn't, and it's not obvious until you can get high enough to take a look.
 
Harshaw said:
There wouldn't, and it's not obvious until you can get high enough to take a look.
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Oh look, jallman, a saviour has once again come to your rescue.

Maybe he can tell us all about how pious the Confederate flag is.

:roll:
 
Well, if it isn't my favorite runner awayer,
just back from the Dryer trap,
its "The Limt"

Here's that stuff you ran away from, Chasing you down again.

Voidwar said:
Obama's racist preachers. Obama's racist Green Jobs Czar. Obama's racist Supreme Court appointee.

Thats where the racism claims WITH EVIDENCE are, and that is what I posted.
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jallman said:
Oh but it is a very skewed perception...
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No it isn't.
On the other hand, yours...below... is quite skewed from the white supremacist meaning that flag now represents to most on this country.



jallman said:
The flag represents rebellion against unfair economic aggression by the northern states, the pride the south has in its agrarian culture, and the bravery of the men who died trying to protect the sovereignty of the states against the steady encroachment of the fed.
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Yours is a southern fairy tale.;)
 
Voidwar said:
Well, if it isn't my favorite runner awayer,
just back from the Dryer trap,
its "The Limt"

Here's that stuff you ran away from, Chasing you down again.
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How many times do I have to tell you?

I reject your entire premise.

I'm not going to answer your pathetic biased, questions.

End of conversation with you.
 
Devil505 said:
Yours is a southern fairy tale.;)
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Thats what they always say, because they can't come right out and defend slavery as an institution, though I'm betting they so desperately want to.

That it was about "States Rights."

Absolutely disgusting.
 
The_Limt said:
I reject your entire premise.
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You don't even understand the grammar of what you are typing.

What is "my premise" then ?

You don't reject anything, YOU RUN AWAY.

Claims that actually have evidence make yours look so shoddy that you FLEE.
 
Voidwar said:
You don't even understand the grammar of what you are typing.

What is "my premise" then ?

You don't reject anything, YOU RUN AWAY.

Claims that actually have evidence make yours look so shoddy that you FLEE.
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See post #368
 
The_Limt said:
First I'm going to respond to your comment that " If it were so damned obvious there wouldn't even be an argument over it."

Is this a serious comment? Is this truly a serious response? Thats like saying if it were so obvious the world is round and not flat, there wouldn't even be an argument over it."
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That isn't an argument. There are facts that show the earth to be round, unlike the subjective nature of "what does the flag represent".

Secondly, I cannot begin to tell you how many times I have heard the "States Rights" defense.
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That's because it's a true and correct defense.

By the way, the first state that seceeded did so because of the election of Lincoln, precisly because he was an abolitionist.
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Total bullsh1t. The above statement is enough to tell me that you haven't got the first clue what you are talking about and all the rest that will follow is a kneejerk, emotional tirade that I have no interest in indulging.
 
The_Limt said:
Oh look, jallman, a saviour has once again come to your rescue.

Maybe he can tell us all about how pious the Confederate flag is.

:roll:
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I don't need anyone to come to my rescue when it comes to dealing with you. Facts are your krytonite as demonstrated by your deep-rooted aversion to them. Facts are all that are needed to deflect you in your hysterical mouth-foaming rants. :lol:
 
The_Limt said:
See post #368
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Don't watch the movie folks , Its much more fun to see The Limt run away in person.

Here is what he runs away from :

Voidwar said:
Obama's racist preachers. Obama's racist Green Jobs Czar. Obama's racist Supreme Court appointee.

Thats where the racism claims WITH EVIDENCE are, and that is what I posted.
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The_Limt said:
Thats what they always say, because they can't come right out and defend slavery as an institution, though I'm betting they so desperately want to.

That it was about "States Rights."

Absolutely disgusting.
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Never owned a slave. Never defended slavery. You are a liar.
 
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