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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

Joe Wilson is a member, or apparently was a member of the Sons of Confederates Veterans.

Maybe in the past this group was harmless, but according to the SPLC, since their new "leader" took over; it has been an overtly racist organization that has repudiated "racial inter-breeding" and called slavery benign, and slave owners noble.

We'll see in the upcoming days whether he is still a member of this very racist group of crazies.
 
What evidence is there that Wilson has racial bias or that his outburst was race-based?

Does anyone want to back up their claim that Wilson's outburst was based on race?

This is what I mean by irresponsible comments like the one Carter made. When you make wild accusations like Carter did, without any real proof of their validity, people will start to believe it and the word "racist" takes on a whole new and convoluted meaning. People will start to use it in situations when it does not really apply, and that only adds to the problem.
Over a 120 year combined span, Carter and I have conversed with hundreds of people, and as I have said, if you think racism is dead, you are just whistling Dixie.
Do you personally know Wilson ?
I do not, but I have a pretty good idea of human nature; also his track record is not so good..
Consider this .
No Representative has ever called, outright, and on TV, any president a liar.
The Republicians desperately need a leader, a man of quality and intelligence.
 
No Representative has ever called, outright, and on TV, any president a liar.
The Republicians desperately need a leader, a man of quality and intelligence.

What do either of these things have to do with racism? If they don't, why did you bring them up in context with your post?
 
Watch the video at the link.

I did. Nowhere in his comments did Carter say or imply that Wilson was a racist. His comments about Wilson centered solely on the fact that Wilson's outburst was unacceptable, ugly, and that Wilson was being considered for censure by the House.

Got anything else?
 
Joe Wilson is a member, or apparently was a member of the Sons of Confederates Veterans.

Maybe in the past this group was harmless, but according to the SPLC, since their new "leader" took over; it has been an overtly racist organization that has repudiated "racial inter-breeding" and called slavery benign, and slave owners noble.

We'll see in the upcoming days whether he is still a member of this very racist group of crazies.

From the Sons of Confederate Veterans website:

The SCV has ongoing programs at the local, state, and national levels which offer members a wide range of activities. Preservation work, marking Confederate soldier's graves, historical re-enactments, scholarly publications, and regular meetings to discuss the military and political history of the War Between the States are only a few of the activities sponsored by local units, called camps.

I only scanned it briefly, but strangely I didn't see anything regarding race there. I checked them out on wikipedia and foudn this:

Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush have tendered letters of commendation to the SCV and affiliates,[4][5] as have other members of the United States Congress.

I doubt our last two former Presidents would be commending a vile racist organization.

On May 25, 2009, President Barack Obama garnered praise from SCV Commander Chuck McMichael, who stated, “He upheld the tradition of the office to which he was elected. I do intend to send him a thank you letter. This is the kind of thing that transcends politics.” This statement was in response to Obama's decision to continue the long standing tradition of the U.S. President sending a wreath to the Confederate Monument at Arlington National Cemetery on Memorial Day.

Praising Obama. Hmmmm, those vile racist scumbags!

Other notable members (and fellow vile racists include) Clint Eastwood, Harry Truman, Trent Lott, Charlie Daniels, and Trace Adkins.

There has been some factionalization in the group and some of the leadership has taken on a more political and racial agenda, but even the critics of the group like respected Civil War historian James M. McPherson refuse to paint all members and chapters as neo-Confederates or white supremists.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Confederate_Veterans]Sons of Confederate Veterans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
He can have an opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. But his opinion is unsubstantiated and therefore lacks validity. It could be my opinion that Jimmy Carter is an android sent by hostile aliens to ruin this nation one stupid remark at a time, but without evidence to back it up, its hardly something folks should take serious, is it?

I think you've answered your own question. You folks who are having fits over this should take Psychoclown's advice.

:doh
 
I did. Nowhere in his comments did Carter say or imply that Wilson was a racist. His comments about Wilson centered solely on the fact that Wilson's outburst was unacceptable, ugly, and that Wilson was being considered for censure by the House.

Got anything else?

No, he listed a litany of what he considered to be racist actions/attacks and then included Wilson's comment within that context. There's no other way to take it if you're listening honestly.
 
From the Sons of Confederate Veterans website:



I only scanned it briefly, but strangely I didn't see anything regarding race there. I checked them out on wikipedia and foudn this:



I doubt our last two former Presidents would be commending a vile racist organization.



Praising Obama. Hmmmm, those vile racist scumbags!

Other notable members (and fellow vile racists include) Clint Eastwood, Harry Truman, Trent Lott, Charlie Daniels, and Trace Adkins.

There has been some factionalization in the group and some of the leadership has taken on a more political and racial agenda, but even the critics of the group like respected Civil War historian James M. McPherson refuse to paint all members and chapters as neo-Confederates or white supremists.

Sons of Confederate Veterans - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


The Rev. Eric Dean, an American Southerner living in Europe, had been hearing the rumors for months. Finally, he decided to pay a visit to a former high-ranking leader of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), the Southern heritage group of which Dean had long been a proud member.

For Rev. Dean, the clincher was a sermon from the SCV's chaplain in chief that attacked "racial interbreeding" as ungodly and described slavery as biblically sanctioned.

SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=614
 
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I think you've answered your own question. You folks who are having fits over this should take Psychoclown's advice.

:doh

The problem is folks are taking his comment seriously and acting as if it is valid and substantiated. There are plenty of folks, both here and in the media, who are using the racist tag to smear opposition to Obama.

Not to mention, when a former President speaks out its going to be newsworthy and therefore fair game for commentary.
 
Link please. When I claim a FACT (like you just did) I back it up with a link)


This is a lie, you bloviate nonsensically and avoid facts like a fat kid avoids salads.


Opinions....No....but claimed facts need to be proved.



You have no standing to make this comment as you are the worst offender.



It is common knowledge that Obama in a radio interview after his "Race" speech said his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people"....



Obama Calls Grandmother 'Typical White Person' in Radio Interview - Political News - FOXNews.com
 
The Rev. Eric Dean, an American Southerner living in Europe, had been hearing the rumors for months. Finally, he decided to pay a visit to a former high-ranking leader of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), the Southern heritage group of which Dean had long been a proud member.

For Rev. Dean, the clincher was a sermon from the SCV's chaplain in chief that attacked "racial interbreeding" as ungodly and described slavery as biblically sanctioned.

SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild

SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild

Got anything from an actual news source?

And even if this is true, as James M. McPerson said, it doesn't mean every member and every chapter promotes that agenda. If Wilson is really a racist, then I'm sure he's on record somewhere supporting this new leadership.
 
The Rev. Eric Dean, an American Southerner living in Europe, had been hearing the rumors for months. Finally, he decided to pay a visit to a former high-ranking leader of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (SCV), the Southern heritage group of which Dean had long been a proud member.

For Rev. Dean, the clincher was a sermon from the SCV's chaplain in chief that attacked "racial interbreeding" as ungodly and described slavery as biblically sanctioned.

SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild

SPLCenter.org: Into The Wild
Mind if I summarize?
1. The Rev. Eric Dean had been hearing rumors for months
2. The Rev. Eric Dean hears an SCV chaplain in chief sermon he deems racist
3. Therefore, Joe Wilson's "you lie" remark was probably racist.
:roll:
 
This is a lie,
No....But this is:


It is common knowledge that Obama in a radio interview after his "Race" speech said his grandmothers racism was "typical of white people"....



Obama Calls Grandmother 'Typical White Person' in Radio Interview - Political News - FOXNews.com


Obama was simply saying that his grandmother was "a typical white person."...No racism mentioned or implied.
That lie has been spread by Fox News & the GOP for over a year & backlash from it helped to get Obama elected.
 
Got anything from an actual news source?

And even if this is true, as James M. McPerson said, it doesn't mean every member and every chapter promotes that agenda. If Wilson is really a racist, then I'm sure he's on record somewhere supporting this new leadership.

And "actual" news source?

Excuse me, but what are you talking about?
 
Mind if I summarize?
1. The Rev. Eric Dean had been hearing rumors for months
2. The Rev. Eric Dean hears an SCV chaplain in chief sermon he deems racist
3. Therefore, Joe Wilson's "you lie" remark was probably racist.
:roll:

Too bad your summary fails.
 
No....But this is:





Obama was simply saying that his grandmother was "a typical white person."...No racism mentioned or implied.
That lie has been spread by Fox News & the GOP for over a year & backlash from it helped to get Obama elected.






What actions was she typical of?


Oh wait, making racial utterances that made him cringe or crossing the street when seeing black men.....



FAIL
 
I'm just giving my opinion. Yes, I think intuition based on subtle nuances of expression or tone of voice can tell a lot.

I haven't met the guy, just saw that one clip, but I do suspect that he may very well have some racial problems with Obama. It wouldn't surprise me at all.

Also, the fact that the comment that Obama was making was regarding illegal aliens is another tip off. He obviously also has strong feelings about them, most of whom are Mexican as we all know.

Yea, nevermind the fact that Obama was actually lying and Wilson simply made a factual assertion concerning Obama's honesty. Nevermind that, it MUST be racism...:roll:
 
Obama was simply saying that his grandmother was "a typical white person."...No racism mentioned or implied.
Here's his quote:

But she is a typical white person who, uh, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know there's a reaction that's been been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way and that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it

Now why does that behavior describe "typical white people" and not people in general?

It was a dumb thing to say and I'm sure he'd change it if he had the chance.
 
Another dodge!

As I said, I can't debate Rush's body of work because I don't listen to him and have no desire to. However, YOU brought up a specific song and YOU claimed THAT SONG was racist. I'm still waiting for you to explain exactly how that song is racist.

I'm not one to cry 'Racist!' at all, but Rush has made numerous offensive remarks that could easily be construed as being racist. If feel that referring to Obama as 'the magic negro' is offensive and makes Rush look like the loudmouth that he appears to be.
 
Actually, I think Carter's reasoning was that for a representative to get so heated over a speech, implies something deeper. Carter interpreted that something deeper as racism. I think it has more to do with the widening of the ideological divide and the propaganda perpetrated by the media.

I highlighted the key words in your post. Avail yourself of the dictionary so that you can understand the logical shortcomings of your argument...:)

Whatever it was, it was an emotional reaction, a clear aversion towards Obama that had less to do with what Obama was saying than the fact it was him saying it.

No, it had everything to do with what Obama said because OBAMA LIED.
 
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