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Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

Devil505 said:
I explained in another post that I believe that protecting the insurance industry's obscene profits is the ultimate goal of Wilson & most of the anti HC reform movement.
That being said, I also said that racism is being used as a weapon/tool to advance that goal.
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That's the goal of Obama as well. It's all a play to the insurance companies. Obama's HC plan will make things worse and will only play towards the insurance company. No one can support the claim that Wilson's outburst was motivated by racism. Which is the topic here.
 
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The_Limt said:
You are on the fringe.

Educated, intelligent people know what that flag represents.

For you to sit here and try to deny it was the flag of a culture that had slavery as an institution is quite laughable.
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"In 1994 the Southern Focus Poll published a report stating that 1/2 of whites could care less about the Confederate flag being flown, versus 1/3 of black Americans"


The Confederate Constitution


You know the confederate constitution forbade the importation of slaves right?
 
akyron said:
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The Confederate Constitution


You know the confederate constitution forbade the importation of slaves right?
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BWHAHAHAHAHA

Now he's citing Confederate constitutional law.

I guess the blacks at the time should have been happy, huh?

You don't get to go free, but we're forbidding the importation of slaves.

We're only allowed to breed you.

Thats real "progress."

Thats "change" every southerner can believe in!

:rofl
 
Thanks akyron, you made my day with that laugh riot

Anyways, got to go now.

:2wave:
 
"I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so."
--Abraham Lincoln

Abraham Lincoln's First Inaugural Address
 
The_Limt said:
LOL at States Rights.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

And what "state right" did that flag initally symbolize...oh yea, the right to deny freedom to blacks.

Yea, thats "States Rights" for you.
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It symbolized all state's rights, including the right to own slaves which was legal at the time and also recognized as a legitimate practice in our Constitution when it accepted slavery through the 3/5 Compromise.

Looking back, was it deplorable that people had the right to own other people? Yes. But it was legal and remained legal until the Constitution was ammended. Just because state's rights once included the right to legalize and enforce slavery, doesn't make state's rights a bad thing.

I could go on, but why am I even bothering? You're not interested in debate, you're only interested in acting like a retarded monkey and slinging crap at anyone who comes near you.
 
The_Limt said:
I did not "lose" anything.

Especially to a poster who thinks the South was the Victim of "Northern Oppression" and defended the "soveriegnty" of the South to keep denying freedom to slaves.
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I did no such thing. I never defended anyone's right to own slaves despite your deranged and desperate attempts to paint it so. I thought you were warned about this by a mod already...
 
Ikari said:
No one can support the claim that Wilson's outburst was motivated by racism. Which is the topic here.
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You & I agree on some things but I do believe that the conclusive evidence that you demand could never be exhibited to such an extent that most Wilson defenders would accept it.
Maybe I'm wrong as far as you are concerned. I think maybe you'd accept reasonable proof but....who knows for sure.
 
StandUpChuck said:
And today Pelosi was crying over right wing rhetoric that may incite violence. What does she think of Farter's remark?
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You know, Chuck, this is an excellent point. I am often one of the first to come down on right wing rhetoric that may incite hatred and/or violence. Carter's words, inaccurate and unsubstantiated do the same thing. Just like uninformed extreme right wingers, there will be uninformed extreme left wingers who will hear this and say, "hey, if Carter said it, it must be true. Right wingers who disagree with Obama are racists!" A ridiculous assertion to say the least, but unfortunately one that some hack on the left will listen to.
 
The_Limt said:
Pardon me, but you do not matter. What you "think" is evidence remains irrelevent.

There has plenty of submissions of Wilson's nefearious background as to his membership in the SCV and the current dynamic of that fringe organization.

Where there is smoke, there is fire.
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Pardon me, but you have presented nothing but lying and dishonesty on this thread, so your opinions are irrelevant. And let's see as I continue reading if it continued.
 
jallman said:
I did no such thing. I never defended anyone's right to own slaves despite your deranged and desperate attempts to paint it so. I thought you were warned about this by a mod already...
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Yes, you did defend the Southern slave cultre at the time.

Your words were clear - more than clear.

I do not care how many times you go crying to a mod because you regret using the words you used.

Its like the idiot who says "I think Hitler was bad but he did do some good things!" defense.

You said it.

Now, own up to the words you chose to employ.

No one likes a tattle tale.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Pardon me, but you have presented nothing but lying and dishonesty on this thread, so your opinions are irrelevant. And let's see as I continue reading if it continued.
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Save yourself your favouritism, because I already know the conclusion you're going to conjure up.

I'll make it easier for you.

You're a twit who doesn't have the ability to distinguish between attacking a poster personally, and attacking his words.

I never personally attacked him, but I sure as hell am attacking you.

You're the liar.

You're the dishonest one.

But go ahead, and do what we all know you were going to do regardless.

But don't ever think I'm going to sit idly while you call me a liar and play favourites.
 
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The_Limt said:
Yes, you did defend the Southern slave cultre at the time.
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No, I did not. I made no comment about slavery. None. You are a liar unless you can show me where I initiated any commentary whatsoever about slavery.
 
The_Limt said:
Save yourself your favouritism, because I already know the conclusion you're going to conjure up.

I'll make it easier for you.

You're a twit who doesn't have the ability to distinguish between attacking a poster personally, and attacking his words.

I never personally attacked him, but I sure as hell am attacking you.

You're the liar.

You're the dishonest one.

But go ahead, and do what we all know you were going to do regardless.

But don't ever think I'm going to sit idly while you call me a liar and play favourites.
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So since you said personal attacks are currency of losers, are you admitting to being a loser?
 
Ikari said:
That's the goal of Obama as well. It's all a play to the insurance companies. Obama's HC plan will make things worse and will only play towards the insurance company.
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I disagree & think the final HC reform bill (not the one Baucus is now pushing) will be much better for the average American & fine for the insurance industry too. They'll make less profit...per policy...but have a much larger customer base.
 
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The_Limt said:
Save yourself your favouritism, because I already know the conclusion you're going to conjure up.

I'll make it easier for you.

You're a twit who doesn't have the ability to distinguish between attacking a poster personally, and attacking his words.

I never personally attacked him, but I sure as hell am attacking you.

You're the liar.

You're the dishonest one.

But go ahead, and do what we all know you were going to do regardless.

But don't ever think I'm going to sit idly while you call me a liar and play favourites.
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Moderator's Warning:
Poor choice. Thread banned for continued derailing and blatant trolling.

Now, that the troll has been sent elsewhere, let's get back to the topic.
 
Devil505 said:
You & I agree on some things but I do believe that the conclusive evidence that you demand could never be exhibited to such an extent that most Wilson defenders would accept it.
Maybe I'm wrong as far as you are concerned. I think maybe you'd accept reasonable proof but....who knows for sure.
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If there's reasonable proof, fine. And I think a great number of people here would agree as well. But what's lacking is reasonable proof, so one cannot say that Wilson is a racist. No matter how badly one wants to make the claim, or how many straws they grasp, or how many personal insults they make, or how many parameters of the debate they change. Can't in any logical sense claim knowledge of Wilson's words being racially motivated. All things being equal, the most likely scenario is that his outburst was motivated by horrible partisan politics as usual.
 
Ikari said:
so one cannot say that Wilson is a racist. No matter how badly one wants to make the claim, or how many straws they grasp, or how many personal insults they make, or how many parameters of the debate they change. Can't in any logical sense claim knowledge of Wilson's words being racially motivated.
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I agree..... but the same logic demands that no one can claim that Wilson is not a racist or that his outburst was not racially motivated either. (& I've heard plenty of absolute claims to that effect by some mind readers here);)
We disagree on the "most likely" scenario but neither of us is in a position to PROVE anything.
 
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Devil505 said:
I agree..... but the same logic demands that no one can claim that Wilson is not a racist or that his outburst was not racially motivated either. (& I've heard plenty of absolute claims to that effect by some mind readers here);)
We disagree on the "most likely" scenario but neither of us is in a position to PROVE anything.
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I don't recall any posts saying Wilson absolutely not a racist. The point has been there has been absolutely no proof that he is. The "evidence" offered up by some has been flimsy at best and has been exposed as being such.
 
Psychoclown said:
I don't recall any posts saying Wilson absolutely not a racist. The point has been there has been absolutely no proof that he is. The "evidence" offered up by some has been flimsy at best and has been exposed as being such.
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Replace "racist"...with "child molester"........they will both end your career!
 
Devil505 said:
Having followed your debate ability...I suggest you may well be "Garnering" things....but it won't be any accolades.:lol:
(I would say that The_Limt has made you look silly at every turn)
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How, by having no direct evidence for the thing he is claiming ?

Yer just a cheerleader fanboy.
 
The_Limt said:
Educated, intelligent people know what that flag represents.
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Educated intelligent people know it doesn't have a damn thing to do with direct evidence of racism in Wilson's OUTBURST, which is the topic of the thread.
 
The_Limt said:
Here on planet Earth when the KKK use the Confederate flag as symbol of their movement that should tell you all you need to know

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Are black people racist?
 
Devil505 said:
You & I agree on some things but I do believe that the conclusive evidence that you demand could never be exhibited to such an extent that most Wilson defenders would accept it.
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Because EVIDENCE does not exist, just smear attempts from political opponents.
 
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