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Obama Supports Extending Provisions of the Patriot Act

bet you he abuses it and uses it to spy on any one who says any thing bad about him (which at the end of 4 years should be everyone)
 
Truth Detector said:
In other words, you have nothing of substance to support your hysterical assertions and instead perfer to whine about "perceived" personal insults.
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Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

Truth Detector said:
Let's face it; most are becoming immune from your whiney outbursts and simplistic attempts to paint all political philosophies with the same broad brush while standing for pretty much what amounts to nothing more than a whiney nay sayer.
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Oh? So more personal insult is all you got. Wait...didn't you just bitch about that above? You gotta keep your hypocrisy under control, wait at least 3-4 posts before you contradict yourself.

Truth Detector said:
What I find typically amusing about your diatribes is that most of your angst is directed towards Conservatives rather than Liberals and can never be supported by any credible facts.

:2wave:
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Awww. I see selective memory at work here. I most certainly rally against the Republocrats and the status quo with their big government agendas. You just like hyperbole and ignoring data to be able to distinguish. It's a symptom of hyper partisanship, maybe they'll discover a cure for that one day. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya.
 
75Greeno said:
bet you he abuses it and uses it to spy on any one who says any thing bad about him (which at the end of 4 years should be everyone)
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I have little doubt that such systems would be abused. It's practically guaranteed that it will. Government sometimes just can't help but to act inappropriately.
 
75Greeno said:
bet you he abuses it and uses it to spy on any one who says any thing bad about him (which at the end of 4 years should be everyone)
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I doubt that. I think he'll use it to protect the country, just like Bush did.
 
RightinNYC said:
I doubt that. I think he'll use it to protect the country, just like Bush did.
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PBO hates America, so that probably won't happen. We're a mean and unjust country, remember?
 
apdst said:
Why did he go around the world on the apology tour?
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Because he made the rational calculation that it would be easier for his administration to win concessions from foreign nations if he presented an image of his administration breaking from the policies that said nations had previously expressed disagreement with.
 
RightinNYC said:
Because he made the rational calculation that it would be easier for his administration to win concessions from foreign nations if he presented an image of his administration breaking from the policies that said nations had previously expressed disagreement with.
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Those nations are all ruled by dictators. Let common sense prevail for a moment and ask why anyone care if those nations disagreed with our policies. Their disagreement should be considered a positive reaction. PBO's government has given visas to the worst dictators in our time, yet refused a visa for a legal and lawful president of a democratically governed nation. There's something very wrong with that picture.
 
apdst said:
Those nations are all ruled by dictators. Let common sense prevail for a moment and ask why anyone care if those nations disagreed with our policies. Their disagreement should be considered a positive reaction.
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If that's the case the the US and China should not be on friendly terms at all. That place is terrible, Commie governments always are. Yet all sorts of people have buddied up to China.
 
Ikari said:
If that's the case the the US and China should not be on friendly terms at all. That place is terrible, Commie governments always are. Yet all sorts of people have buddied up to China.
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Obviously, there are no absolutes. However, with that being the case, it begs the question why diplomatic courtesies are extended to people like Chavez, Ortega and Ahamdinejad, yet Roberto Micheletti of Honduras has been refused a visa. Doesn't make a lick-a-sense, does it?
 
apdst said:
Those nations are all ruled by dictators. Let common sense prevail for a moment and ask why anyone care if those nations disagreed with our policies. Their disagreement should be considered a positive reaction. PBO's government has given visas to the worst dictators in our time, yet refused a visa for a legal and lawful president of a democratically governed nation. There's something very wrong with that picture.
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apdst said:
Obviously, there are no absolutes. However, with that being the case, it begs the question why diplomatic courtesies are extended to people like Chavez, Ortega and Ahamdinejad, yet Roberto Micheletti of Honduras has been refused a visa. Doesn't make a lick-a-sense, does it?
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Obama gave visas to Chavez, Ortega and Ahmadinejad?

Funny, cause I could have sworn that when I saw our buddy Mahmoud, Obama hadn't yet been elected
 
RightinNYC said:
Obama gave visas to Chavez, Ortega and Ahmadinejad?

Funny, cause I could have sworn that when I saw our buddy Mahmoud, Obama hadn't yet been elected
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Chavez, Ortega, Gaddafi and Ahamdinejad are coming to speak at the UN next week. Micheletti was denied an entry visa into the United States.
 
apdst said:
Chavez, Ortega, Gaddafi and Ahamdinejad are coming to speak at the UN next week. Micheletti was denied an entry visa into the United States.
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And they all did the same thing under Bush.
 
apdst said:
Bush denied the president of Honduras a visa? Got a link for that?
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No, Bush allowed all of those other people in the country. The decision to deny this other guy a visa is a one off that has no comparison to the Bush era.
 
RightinNYC said:
No, Bush allowed all of those other people in the country. The decision to deny this other guy a visa is a one off that has no comparison to the Bush era.
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I know it doesn't, which makes me wonder why you drug, "but, Bush did it", out of the closet.

The point is, of all the dudes coming to the UN, the government denied a visa to the only one that isn't a dictator.
 
apdst said:
I know it doesn't, which makes me wonder why you drug, "but, Bush did it", out of the closet.

The point is, of all the dudes coming to the UN, the government denied a visa to the only one that isn't a dictator.
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With demonstrations for[16] and against[17] Micheletti, international support for the Micheletti government remains scant. No foreign governments have recognized him as the president of Honduras; 192 countries from the U.N. and all countries from the OAS (Organization of American States) demanded to immediately re-instate Zelaya to finish his term without any conditions.
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I guarantee you that Bush would have done the same thing.

I still don't see how that proves that Obama hates America while Bush loved it despite the fact that their policies largely mirror one another. Unless you're arguing that the true test of whether you love America is whether you grant a visa to some Honduran leader who is not recognized as a president by any country on earth.
 
These aspects of the PA were good policy under Bush, and remain good policy under Obama. Good for him.
 
RightinNYC said:
I guarantee you that Bush would have done the same thing.
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Bush would have denied a visa to the only democratically appointed national leader of the group that wasn't a dictator? You're going to have to support that one with some sorta documentation.

some Honduran leader who is not recognized as a president by any country on earth.
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That only goes to show how stupidity can takeover the world.
 
apdst said:
Bush would have denied a visa to the only democratically appointed national leader of the group that wasn't a dictator? You're going to have to support that one with some sorta documentation.
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Sure, let me just bust out my magic wand and travel back in time to show you an example of a case where the Bush was the only leader to recognize someone as the president of a nation.
 
RightinNYC said:
Sure, let me just bust out my magic wand and travel back in time to show you an example of a case where the Bush was the only leader to recognize someone as the president of a nation.
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So, you can't back up your comments? It's ok to admit it, son.
 
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