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Tens of thousands attend broad protest of government in nation's capital

rebelbuc said:
You might call yourself moderate, but your demeaning and misguided term of "teabagger" shows your ignorance of the truth! These decent people are more numerous than you think. They are not wingnuts, rather, they are the lifeblod of America.
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I could care less what you think of my political ideology. Your opinion is of little consequence to me.

Just keep your head in the sand, you useful idiot!
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Easy now. Calling me an idiot because I don't agree with your POV says more about you than it does about me.:)
 
LaMidRighter said:
Estimated numbers are that, not relevant, the point now is that this indeed come closer to it's goal than the million man march, and the turnout was greater than those of the other examples surely, I seriously doubt there was a turnout of even 400k for the MMM since it was reported as a massive failure at the time, by the same press that did NOT report this gathering.
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No, the turnout was not. It was in the tens of thousands. Less than all of the examples you cited.
 
jackalope said:
No, the turnout was not. It was in the tens of thousands. Less than all of the examples you cited.
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Right, even the estimates of the Million Man March and Million Mom March are incomplete, the protester numbers are growing in the case of the march by the group this story concerns, the Million Man March was disorganized and failed to meet it's attendance goal, under any estimates, so did the million mom march by the most generous estimate, year two 100 people showed up, one-hundred. Your typical anti-war protest is maybe 2500 at the most, and these are members of groups typically bused in or people with nothing better to do that day, these are people who went to Washington on their own, "60k" for a conservative estimate, and their are MORE of them each time. While I'll admit that I underestimated the Million Man March, and didn't think there would be over 100k idiots in the Million Mom March, the point stands that these movements are steadily dying, whereas the movements against government expansion are growing.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Right, even the estimates of the Million Man March and Million Mom March are incomplete, the protester numbers are growing in the case of the march by the group this story concerns, the Million Man March was disorganized and failed to meet it's attendance goal, under any estimates, so did the million mom march by the most generous estimate, year two 100 people showed up, one-hundred. Your typical anti-war protest is maybe 2500 at the most, and these are members of groups typically bused in or people with nothing better to do that day, these are people who went to Washington on their own, "60k" for a conservative estimate, and their are MORE of them each time. While I'll admit that I underestimated the Million Man March, and didn't think there would be over 100k idiots in the Million Mom March, the point stands that these movements are steadily dying, whereas the movements against government expansion are growing.
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You keep trying to compare numbers at a local "anti-war" protest with what was supposed to be a nation-wide march here.
The reality is, the number of people in the crowd was significant, but it also shows that this "groundswell" of discontent is not as large as the teabaggers hoped for.
 
LaMidRighter said:
... While I'll admit that I underestimated the Million Man March, and didn't think there would be over 100k idiots in the Million Mom March, the point stands that these movements are steadily dying, whereas the movements against government expansion are growing.
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I didn't know that was the point you were making. You seemed to be falsely claiming that the Million Man March, the Million Mom March, and the anti-war march all had turnouts lower than the DC Teaparty March.


And, someone else made the false claim that Saturday's march was the largest turnout in a decade. Also, clearly not true.

Outrageous claims diminish the accomplishment and make the supporters seem less credible.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Seems this is a bit more than mere "Right wing fringe" groups.... What do you all think of this turnout, to me, it indicates a possible out of touchness with this administration.
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I love when moments like this go to show how much to almost all news bull****s and at what level.


I bet the ignored must sound a little more than dull, avoidable roar to "the powers that be".
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
That you are no moderate and hold liberty minded Americans in contempt?


Yeah, I got that point. :roll:
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Don't sing the liberty song to me. I doubt many of these same people were protesting big government spending or expansion when the Republicans were in power doing the exact same thing.

As for being a Moderate I believe I walked you through that misconception once before.
 
jackalope said:
I didn't know that was the point you were making. You seemed to be falsely claiming that the Million Man March, the Million Mom March, and the anti-war march all had turnouts lower than the DC Teaparty March.


And, someone else made the false claim that Saturday's march was the largest turnout in a decade. Also, clearly not true.

Outrageous claims diminish the accomplishment and make the supporters seem less credible.
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Eh, I misread the numbers, conceded that already. But the point is that this is not an officially organized march, unlike the MMM marches, or a code pink rally, or the anti-war rallies, these were people unafiliated with the host group that showed up to seek redress.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Eh, I misread the numbers, conceded that already. But the point is that this is not an officially organized march, unlike the MMM marches, or a code pink rally, or the anti-war rallies, these were people unafiliated with the host group that showed up to seek redress.
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It may not have been "officially organized", but is was well promoted and the lack of numbers has to be disappointing to the "movement".
 
rudedog said:
This shows that Americans are unhappy, and that the news is politically motivated in one form or another.
Now in the next election if they can be moved away from voting for dem or rep,and into some other political camp in large numbers maybe we the people can make a difference.
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When have libertarians every pulled a vote from a Democrat? That's what you have to figure out how to do. Sorry.
 
disneydude said:
It may not have been "officially organized", but is was well promoted and the lack of numbers has to be disappointing to the "movement".
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If that were the case, CBS would be reporting it. Thanks for playing.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Eh, I misread the numbers, conceded that already. But the point is that this is not an officially organized march, unlike the MMM marches, or a code pink rally, or the anti-war rallies, these were people unafiliated with the host group that showed up to seek redress.
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Ahh, okay re: the numbers.

As for 'officially organized' .... it was officially organized. FreedomWorks spent a ton of cash on organizing the event, and other groups contributed as well:

UPDATE: FreedomWorks federal and state campaign director Brendan Steinhauser emails: "The March on Washington is going to cost a lot for the stage, sound, equipment, materials and other things. We think it's a great opportunity for organizations who want to co-sponsor this event to help us pay for some of these costs. We are excited to have a huge coaliton of limited government organizations joining with us on the 12th."

FreedomWorks not free: $10K to participate in D.C. tea party march - Ben Smith - POLITICO.com
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tumbleweed said:
Don't sing the liberty song to me.
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Sorry mein un bad. :roll:

I doubt many of these same people were protesting big government spending or expansion when the Republicans were in power doing the exact same thing.
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Your speculation makes you sound like those you harp against.

As for being a Moderate I believe I walked you through that misconception once before.
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You calling Americans "tea baggers" betrays you.
 
tumbleweed said:
I don't think much about it at all really, other than regarding their agenda as being on the same level as the teabaggers. Both groups seem to have too many wingnuts involved in their activities to be taken seriously enough to actually have an impact on government policies.

From what I can see it makes for a good photo-op and extra work for the grounds crew, but I doubt it represents much more than a flock of sheep doing the bidding of organized special interest groups like ALL.
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Yea, anyone who opposes your messiah must be a wing-nut. By the way, you’re no moderate…cease the charade.
 
disneydude said:
Ahhh.....the conservative estimate for the Million Man March was 400K. Other estimates put the figure at over a million.

I don't know how you think 60k numbers surpass 400k-1 million+:doh
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Pay no attention to this partisan douche...
 
jackalope said:
Ahh, okay re: the numbers.

As for 'officially organized' .... it was officially organized. FreedomWorks spent a ton of cash on organizing the event, and other groups contributed as well:
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Difference is they invited participants, not cajoled them into it, and these were not all "members" of the organization.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Difference is they invited participants, not cajoled them into it, and these were not all "members" of the organization.
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No, sorry, there isn't a difference. The people who showed up to those marches were the same as the ones who attended Saturday's march in this respect: they attended an officially organized march because they cared about the march. They weren't all members of an organization.

And, I don't know what you're basing the difference between invited and cajoled on, but it sounds like something you just made up. The people who attend rallies and marches attend because they are moved to do so by whatever they understand the purpose of the rally or march to be.
 
Ethereal said:
Yea, anyone who opposes your messiah must be a wing-nut. By the way, you’re no moderate…cease the charade.
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Oh yea, someone who votes for both republicans and democrats is no moderate :roll:


Problem with today's righties, they don't know wtf 'moderate' means.
 
I find it amazing how angry people get over people protesting government expansion.
 
jackalope said:
No, sorry, there isn't a difference. The people who showed up to those marches were the same as the ones who attended Saturday's march in this respect: they attended an officially organized march because they cared about the march. They weren't all members of an organization.

And, I don't know what you're basing the difference between invited and cajoled on, but it sounds like something you just made up. The people who attend rallies and marches attend because they are moved to do so by whatever they understand the purpose of the rally or march to be.
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Very simple, the Milliion Mom March was organized by and attended by the members of that particular organization, many of the anti-war protests are attended specifically by specialized groups, I remember the days of the Million Man March and much of the rhetoric, it was very ethno-centric rhetoric and focused on being a "real black man" and showing up, so yes, there was more organization and cajoling in those cases. In the case of these current protests, the organizers are saying "come on by if you agree", I can't make the argument any more clear than that.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Very simple, the Milliion Mom March was organized by and attended by the members of that particular organization, many of the anti-war protests are attended specifically by specialized groups, I remember the days of the Million Man March and much of the rhetoric, it was very ethno-centric rhetoric and focused on being a "real black man" and showing up, so yes, there was more organization and cajoling in those cases. In the case of these current protests, the organizers are saying "come on by if you agree", I can't make the argument any more clear than that.
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No, those marches were organized by the official organizers, and attended by lots and lots of people. Same as the DC teaparty. There is no difference. The people who went to all those marches went 'because they agreed'.
 
jackalope said:
Oh yea, someone who votes for both republicans and democrats is no moderate :roll:


Problem with today's righties, they don't know wtf 'moderate' means.
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A moderate certainly doesn't make insulting remarks about a generalized protest against government authority.

By the way, I'm not a "righty"....just a consistent individual who points out foolishness and hypocrisy without regard to anything, except my consistency, of course.
 
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It looked like a huge turnout to me. Especially when you consider that many of those folks aren't the type who usually march in protests. I think that's really saying something. My FIL, who is in his 60's, went and that's the first time he's ever been motivated to participate in something like that.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Your speculation makes you sound like those you harp against.
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I'm not speculating. I'm basing my comments on news articles of first hand reports of the event I've been reading since yesterday. For the most part they all seem to be saying the same thing.

The Taxpayer March on Washington was organized by several groups, including the Tea Party Patriots; FreedomWorks, an activist and policy group headed by former U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey; and the 912 Project, a group run by conservative talk show host Glenn Beck. It was a protest against Democrats with a host of Republican speakers like U.S. Rep. Tom Price of Roswell, U.S. Rep. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee, and Georgia state Rep. Tom Graves, who more than likely had a lot of constituents there since they bussed in 20 bus loads of protesters in from Georgia. Every report I've read stated it was a rally of mostly Conservatives chanting the same slogans as the teabaggers have been screaming.

If you want to make a legitimate argument that this rally was anything other than a partisan special interest group rally, directed mostly towards Democrats just because they hold the keys to the WH, by all means lets hear it.

Your feeble attempt to make this debate more about my political persuasion instead of the topic of the rally is nothing more than a straw man. As a veteran of debates surely you can do better than that.
 
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