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Obama Criticizes Republicans for Blocking Health Care Bill

I wonder:
Do you really believe that the GOP has not offered alternative plans, or do you know better and posted hoping that you dont get caught?

The GOP's Health-Care Alternative - WSJ.com
House GOP outlines health care bill - CNN.com


Yes, they have not produced a paid-for health care reform bill, they have not produced a health-care reform bill that would decrease the numbers of the uninsureds, and they have not produced a health-care reform bill that slows the rate of health care spending and health-care premium increases in the least.


If you think they have, show me the numbers. (HINT: there aren't any numbers)
 
You haven't asnwered his question.
If The Obama has the votes, as He claims, why continue with the GOP bashing and not just pass the thing?


Au contraire, little one, I most certainly DID answer that. One has nothing to do with the other. Problem right there is FAILED LOGIC.
 
Yes, they have not produced a paid-for health care reform bill, they have not produced a health-care reform bill that would decrease the numbers of the uninsureds, and they have not produced a health-care reform bill that slows the rate of health care spending and health-care premium increases in the least.
The kick is up... and misses... because the goalposts were moved.
 
I know, it has been mentioned since.



Well, lets hope we see the republicans do the right thing and filibuster! :thumbs:


Sorry, I saw that right after I made that post. I figured maybe noone would notice ;)
 
Au contraire, little one, I most certainly DID answer that. One has nothing to do with the other. Problem right there is FAILED LOGIC.

Wait... your answer is:

As to why not pass the bill - sure thing, have the Republicans quit whining about majority votes

Really?

Why does the GOP have to 'quit whining' to pass the bill?
 
Wait... your answer is:



Really?

Why does the GOP have to 'quit whining' to pass the bill?



No, Goobs, the answer is right here:



Problem is with the failed logic of those that think criticizing 'those in the Republican party who think that the best thing to do is just to kill reform' ipso facto means that Pres Obama does not have the votes to pass a good bill.


That would be a big problem. With logic on the part of the one putting it forward. Not with Pres Obama's statements.

:lamo



From the OP:


"I believe that we will have enough votes to pass not just any health care bill, but a good health care bill that helps the American people, reduces costs, actually over the long-term controls our deficit. I'm confident that we've got that," Obama said in an interview broadcast Sunday on CBS' "60 Minutes. "There are those in the Republican party who think the best thing to do is just to kill reform. That that will be good politics."​
 
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And they have done what to promote those bills? Almost nothing.

The kick is up... and misses... because the goalposts were moved.
 
And they have done what to promote those bills? Almost nothing.


They can't promote those bills, because they are not serious bills. They cannot produce any numbers showing:

Bills are paid for
Bills reduced uninsureds
Bills lower the rate of increase in health care, or hc insur premiums.


They don't accomplish a single one of those, never mind all three.
 
The kick is up... and misses... because the goalposts were moved.

Actually not true. Quietly sending a couple incomplete bills to committee without promoting those bills is not saying what you would vote for, or saying what you want. Ask people what the republican position on health care reform is, and most will say they are against it.
 
Actually not true. Quietly sending a couple incomplete bills to committee without promoting those bills is not saying what you would vote for, or saying what you want. Ask people what the republican position on health care reform is, and most will say they are against it.

Absolutely, the GOP has yet to make a campaign for reform to entice blue dogs - because thats not really what theyre after.
 
I sure hope there is one!


then we will have something for you all to complain about as we cheer. :shrug:

What do you mean by you all? I haven't stated anything about the bill but rather Republicans lack of compromise while expecting the democrats to acquiesce.
 
Actually not true.
Actually quite true.

You asked for information, and I gave it to you.

You (and jackalope) are now trying to argue that the information I gave you doesnt really fill your request for information, because it doesn tmeet -additiona- conditions not originally founs in your original request for information.

If that's not moving the goalpost, nothing is.

Now, just admit you're wrong and move on.
 
Read my below post.

There have been republican bills put forth. They're pointless. Its idiotic, illogical, and frankly a waste of effort for Republicans to massively try to push fully their version of thinsg right now because its just frankly going to be extremely improbable to pass. Point blank. That's it. its like trying to go ahead and play a 60 minute basketball game with a single player on your team against a fully stacked team on the other side. Sure, there's a tiny fraction of a chance, but in all reality its just not going to happen.

Beyond that, there's no big point or incentive right now to talk about other factors of the vote in any major way....however its pure ignorance or willful ignoring of things to claim that there is absolutely no republican, either joe voter or elected official, that hasn't or isn't talking about forms of health care reform they'd be in favor of. There is a giant, huge, MAMMOTH sized wall at the forefront of this in regards to the public option. And its pointless for either side to really massively discuss anything else until that gets solved one way or another because all that talk will be for naught. The Democrats are likely not going to have enough votes at this moment to get something passed that doesn't include a public option in some form, and Republicans are not going to agree to any bill that has a Public Option. So any talk of other things to compromise on or move forward on would actually be rather fruitless and just as much "playing politics" as anything else because it'd be them flapping their gums for no other reason than to try and say "See, we were TRYING something" when in reality both sides know diddly is going to be done due to the big giant Wall in between them.

Republicans are not against reform by and large. There are republican sponsored bills and amendments. There have been Republicans both elected and non-elected in numerous places talking about various ideas for reform. I can't think of a large amount of republicans that have sat here and gone "absolutely no reform of any kind at all" or "absolutely no compromise of any kind at all", but that simply they're not going to budge in regards to a public option.

And if you're trying to say that the Public Option is the only way you can have reform, and if you're against a bill with that then you're against reform, then frankly that's no less playing politics than Demint because the notion that that's the "only" form of Reform at all and anyone against it is against reform is absolutely asinine.

I will reply to this one. The problem is that while yes, the republicans have presented bills to committee, they have not promoted those bills, or anything other than saying "no". If you write a long post on a topic in a word processor on your computer, and file it away on your hard disc without telling any one about it, you are not promoting that post. This is very much like what the republicans have done. The only way I could find out what republicans do want for health care reform is to read some overlong bill that is lacking in details. That is not effective presentation.
 
Actually quite true.

You asked for information, and I gave it to you.

You (and jackalope) are now trying to argue that the information I gave you doesnt really fill your request for information, because it doesn tmeet -additiona- conditions not originally founs in your original request for information.

If that's not moving the goalpost, nothing is.

Now, just admit you're wrong and move on.

Hey look, Gobbie clipped all the explanation from a post so he can actually argue against it without having to argue against the point. Boy, he has never done that before...
 
No, Goobs, the question was a logic failure. The one has nothing to do with the other.
Ah -- so THAT'S your problem.
Never mind -- this explains everything.
 
No, Goobs, the question was a logic failure. The one has nothing to do with the other.

Logic failure? Goobie commit of those? Why he would never do that not like he makes ad hoc ergo propter hoc fallacies or anything.
 
Hey look, Gobbie clipped all the explanation from a post so he can actually argue against it without having to argue against the point. Boy, he has never done that before...
I'm sorry -- were you going to tell me how you did NOT do exactly as I described?
 
Whaddya, mean, SO? You asked the question - don't like the answer .... again???

:rofl


As to why not pass the bill - sure thing, have the Republicans quit whining about majority votes (reconciliation). GOPers are the whiners .... wah wah wah wah ...... stfu already.


As to Obama 'bashing' .... he's doing nothing of the kind, and none by the most hyperpartisan thinks he is. Wassamatta grasshoppa, don't like any criticism AT ALL?


Toooooo bad.

It's amazing that I have to explain this, because most people understand it without explanation, but "So?" generally means "this doesn't mean anything in terms of the point." Most people have that figured out by first grade, if not before. :roll:

Problem is with the failed logic of those that think criticizing 'those in the Republican party who think that the best thing to do is just to kill reform' ipso facto means that Pres Obama does not have the votes to pass a good bill.

I "assumed" nothing other than what he said, which is that he has the votes.

Now, assuming that he has the votes, why don't they just go pass the bill?

What does bashing Republicans for trying to "block" it accomplish?

You have answered neither of those questions. Claiming you have is either dishonesty or knuckle-dragging droolery.
 
I'm sorry -- were you going to tell me how you did NOT do exactly as I described?

I did. You just clipped it out of my post when you replied.
 
Actually quite true.

You asked for information, and I gave it to you.

You (and jackalope) are now trying to argue that the information I gave you doesnt really fill your request for information, because it doesn tmeet -additiona- conditions not originally founs in your original request for information.

If that's not moving the goalpost, nothing is.

Now, just admit you're wrong and move on.


Sorry, but you are wrong. Paygo rules apply, and the bill must be paid for. And none of the Republican bills are.

Further, since the POINT of reform is to control costs and reduce the numbers of uninsureds, any reform bill must accomplish that as well.
 
I did. You just clipped it out of my post when you replied.
Yes... that;s the part where you moved the goalpost.

I clipped that part to avoid embarassing you any more than you already embarassed yourself.

Just trying to be nice, and all.

YOU asked:

Where are republicans saying what they would vote for? Where are republicans saying what they do want?

I presented to you the GOP plan.

From that point, you decided to change the conditions of the test.
 
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