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House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

Voidwar said:
Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ? Ah there isn't ? OK then.
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What part of health care measures we are taking do you not understand? Until the final bill comes out of committee you are merely speculating. Again his statement was that people are saying illegal aliens would be insured which he said was a lie. So again until illegal aliens are insured how exactly would he be lying?
 
PogueMoran said:
What part of health care measures we are taking do you not understand? Until the final bill comes out of committee you are merely speculating. Again his statement was that people are saying illegal aliens would be insured which he said was a lie. So again until illegal aliens are insured how exactly would he be lying?
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This is covered in the part you quoted. Did you quote it but not read it ?

Do you think he can't lie about the current status of "THE THING" ?

The fact that "THE THING" is not passed yet, makes NO DIFFERENCE to whether one can lie on Wednesday about what is and isn't in "THE THING" on Wednesday.
 
Voidwar said:
This is covered in the part you quoted. Did you quote it but not read it ?

Do you think he can't lie about the current status of "THE THING" ?

The fact that "THE THING" is not passed yet, makes NO DIFFERENCE to whether one can lie on Wednesday about what is and isn't in "THE THING" on Wednesday.
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Here we go again are you doing the Can can now? Which part of his statement was false? I've posted his statement multiple times which part of it was false and how was it false? You keep dancing around it. You sound like you're one of the goodfellas with all your talk about the thing
 
PogueMoran said:
Which part of his statement was false?
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No mechanism for enforcement = no denial of care / benefits.

If you claim denial, while you know there is no mechanism, you are lying.

Don't bother trying to blame "THE THING" on me, it was your semantic antics that I defeated with my all inclusive term.
 
Voidwar said:
No mechanism for enforcement = no denial of care / benefits.

If you claim denial, while you know there is no mechanism, you are lying.

Don't bother trying to blame "THE THING" on me, it was your semantic antics that I defeated with my all inclusive term.
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That has nothing to do with his statement even SAVE doesn't enforce correctly. You're calling it a thing I called it a draft bill which is what it is. Incorrect once again illegals would have to be insured by the health reform for his statement to be false. Keep twisting around that fact all you want but a lie has to be proven. Which thus far you can't prove no matter how much you whine about it.
 
PogueMoran said:
Incorrect once again illegals would have to be insured by the health reform for his statement to be false.
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You are quite simply engaging in small, dodgy behavior, and I find it hilarious that you can't answer this simple question, so I am going to continue to chase you all over the yard with it.

Voidwar said:
Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ?
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Voidwar said:
You are quite simply engaging in small, dodgy behavior, and I find it hilarious that you can't answer this simple question, so I am going to continue to chase you all over the yard with it.
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No that's what you're doing. He stated "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false"

So again how was this statement false if no illegal immigrants have been insured under the reform efforts?

Your question lacks sense. The draft bill is always changing and until it is final nothing is set in stone. So his statement above would only apply after the final bill is passed. That's why you keep sounding ridiculous you're accusing him of lying about something that hasn't happened yet.

Imagine sitting in with the founding fathers when the constitution was being drafted and you accusing them of lying when they tell you there will be no establishment of religion because you saw something in one of the drafts. Again until the final bill comes out of committee and until illegals somehow get insured your statement is false.
 
Voidwar said:
Still avoiding my question are you ?

Here it is again to scare you some more . . .
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Not scared your question is frankly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with what he said.

Here is the next line of what he said "The reforms -- the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

Again proposing, future tense not present or past. So your question has no relevance. Until the bill is finalized its only a draft and until illegal aliens are insured there is no lie. Keep trying to avoid that simple fact it makes you look ridiculous
 
PogueMoran said:
Not scared your question is frankly irrelevant because it has nothing to do with what he said.
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What is has to do with, is your flimsy attempts at semantics antics got you nowhere, because you can't answer my question. No matter what you call "THE THING" it is obviously possible to lie on Wednesday, about what is or is not in "THE THING", on Wednesday.

Lets get back to that question that scares you so much :

Voidwar said:
Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ?
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Voidwar said:
What is has to do with, is your flimsy attempts at semantics antics got you nowhere, because you can't answer my question. No matter what you call "THE THING" it is obviously possible to lie on Wednesday, about what is or is not in "THE THING", on Wednesday.

Lets get back to that question that scares you so much :
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Which part of "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false"

Is false?
 
PogueMoran said:
Which part of "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false"

Is false?
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The man knew, that if someone asked him "How?" he had no answer.

He made the claim, when he knew the bill had no enforcement mechanism.
 
Voidwar said:
The man knew, that if someone asked him "How?" he had no answer.

He made the claim, when he knew the bill had no enforcement mechanism.
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Oh now you're guessing his motives. Can you be anymore ridiculous?

Save is not an enforcement mechanism its verification. Which turns up lots of false positives where its currently applied.

Section 246 states that noncitizens would not be elligible. Also its common to write a bill and then do verification procedures adapted to the bill after so there's time to adjust accordingly. Again what does your idea of enforcement have anything to do with this statement.

"There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false"

Again until illegal immigrants are insured by the reform efforts this statement is not a lie.
 
PogueMoran said:
Oh now you're guessing his motives.
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No, I am not. I will however task him with knowing the history of the bill and it's amendments before speaking to Congress about it.

I will also task him to not make claims he knows there is no enforcement mechanism for.
 
Voidwar said:
No, I am not. I will however task him with knowing the history of the bill and it's amendments before speaking to Congress about it.

I will also task him to not make claims he knows there is no enforcement mechanism for.
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Again "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false"

Would insure - future tense

not does insure - present tense

not did insure - past tense

Again the statement is not false no matter how many ways you try to twist it
 
PogueMoran said:
Again the statement is not false no matter how many ways you try to twist it
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So you don't think a man can lie about a bill before it is passed ?

How is that ? Is there something magic about it that holds his mouth shut if he tries ?

Why don't you answer that question you have been running from ?

Voidwar said:
Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ?
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Voidwar said:
So you don't think a man can lie about a bill before it is passed ?

How is that ? Is there something magic about it that holds his mouth shut if he tries ?

Why don't you answer that question you have been running from ?
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Good lord repeating the same question over and over which has nothing to do with Obama's statement just makes you sound foolish. He was speaking in the future tense not the present nor the past. So again how can it be false until Illegal Immigrants actually get insured. You can't seem to answer that no matter how many times i asked it.
 
PogueMoran said:
He was speaking in the future tense not the present nor the past.
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Makes no difference to the FACT that he lied, on Wednesday, about what was or was not in "THE THING", on Wednesday.

Can you answer that question you have been dodging ?

Voidwar said:
Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ? Ah there isn't ? OK then.
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Voidwar said:
Makes no difference to the FACT that he lied, on Wednesday, about what was or was not in "THE THING", on Wednesday.

Can you answer that question you have been dodging ?
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Repeating the same thing when he was talking about future tense doesn't make your statement any more correct.

Again "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false"

Would insure - future tense

not does insure - present tense

not did insure - past tense

Again the statement is not false no matter how many ways you try to twist it

I've answered your question multiple times I'm just not giving you the answer you want so you keep asking it
 
PogueMoran said:
Would insure - future tense

not does insure - present tense

not did insure - past tense

Again the statement is not false no matter how many ways you try to twist it

I've answered your question multiple times I'm just not giving you the answer you want so you keep asking it
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Ahh, so you're going to try the timemachine crap again eh ?

None of it gets you out of the FACT that Obama lied on Wednesday about what was or was not in "THE THING" on Wednesday.

No time travel allowed. The incident happened ON WEDNESDAY.

Care to try to answer that question you have been dodging ?

Voidwar said:
Is there something magical about a "draft bill" that makes it so no one can lie about what it currently contains ?
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Voidwar said:
So you don't think a man can lie about a bill before it is passed ?

How is that ? Is there something magic about it that holds his mouth shut if he tries ?

Why don't you answer that question you have been running from ?
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I just answered for you. You're becoming a parody of yourself. Again you're trying to claim he's making a lie when his statement which I've showed you over and over again has not been proven a lie. Did he state that he was talking about the draft bill in the senate finance committee? No. He was takling about his own proposals. You can't prove he lied so you keep :spin: and filibustering this thread. This has been going on for two days now with you making the same foolish points which have no relevance to his original statement which you have yet to prove its a lie.
 
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