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House plans to admonish Rep. Wilson over insult

PogueMoran said:
Other than the fact that Obama's statement wasn't a lie. Until actual illegal immigrants get insurance from the health reform his statement isn't a lie.
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I would hardly call that logical game a persuasive argument. Obama lied about covering abortions and lied about increasing the deficit as well.
 
Voidwar said:
I won't. I am quite happy to leave you in your ignorance. I don't feel any need to educate you further. Do your own homework.
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So in other words Void makes statements he can't back up. Thanks for the clarification
 
PogueMoran said:
I don't think you even know what you are talking about let Obama. Again he stated "there are some who say that the health care measures we are proposing will insure illegal immigrants.. that too is false" So again which part of his statement is false?
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He said they wouldn't, when he knew that the mechanism to accomplish that claim, was not present.
 
friday said:
I would hardly call that logical game a persuasive argument. Obama lied about covering abortions and lied about increasing the deficit as well.
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That's not a logical game. Until things are actually, you know, covered you don't have a leg to stand on
 
PogueMoran said:
That's not a logical game. Until things are actually, you know, covered you don't have a leg to stand on
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Yeah, I know. I recognize the talking point. There is no bill. I even wrote a blog post about it. We know what the Democrats are planning, they have made it clear. I don't buy the argument that we have to wait until they pass it into law before we start the debate, and I don't think Obama does either.
 
PogueMoran said:
So in other words Void makes statements he can't back up. Thanks for the clarification
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I know you think this is your little scoring point, but for grown-ups, it just looks like you high fiving your cheerleader after a loss. :roll:

Obama lied , got caught, and now you two are sittin here trying to squirm out of it, while Obama, simply admitted it, by announcing the provisions would be put in, and moved on.

Obama didn't squirm as hard as you two are. . .
 
friday said:
Yeah, I know. I recognize the talking point. There is no bill. I even wrote a blog post about it. We know what the Democrats are planning, they have made it clear. I don't buy the argument that we have to wait until they pass it into law before we start the debate, and I don't think Obama does either.
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Well if you want to say something definitively like calling someone a liar but can't prove the lie it kinda hurts your credibility
 
PogueMoran said:
Well if you want to say something definitely like calling someone a liar but can't prove the lie it kinda hurts your credibility
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Considering Democrats voted down the Heller amendment, up to that point every action had indicated that Obama was lying. Obama didn't turn on his party until after Wilson called him out. He is still planning on funding abortion even though he says he isn't.
 
PogueMoran said:
Well if you want to say something definitively like calling someone a liar but can't prove the lie it kinda hurts your credibility
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I wrote a blog post on my blog, you can click the link below, entitled "Culture of Plausible Deniability". You are demonstrating it right now.
 
Voidwar said:
I know you think this is your little scoring point, but for grown-ups, it just looks like you high fiving your cheerleader after a loss. :roll:

Obama lied , got caught, and now you two are sittin here trying to squirm out of it, while Obama, simply admitted it, by announcing the provisions would be put in, and moved on.

Obama didn't squirm as hard as you two are. . .
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Obama didn't lie again you want to continue this reach around where you continue being wrong only to go back around in circles, it just makes you sound ridiculous. Again I'll ask you which part of Obama's statement was false? "there are those who say that the health care reform measures we are taking will insure illegal immigrants... this too is false." So how many illegal immigrants have been insured by this? None it hasn't happened. Thats why you calling him a liar on something that hasn't happened yet just makes you look like english isn't your first language.

Again you haven't presented any proof that:

1. SAVE wouldn't have been in the final bill
2. It will stop all illegals from supposedly being insured
3. That those who are smart enough to cheat the system won't be able to get around SAVE.

Until you can prove anything I'd say you say things you can't back up
 
friday said:
I wrote a blog post on my blog, you can click the link below, entitled "Culture of Plausible Deniability". You are demonstrating it right now.
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Sorry I don't play into people who do shameless plugs of their own blog on other websites. Again until people are actually covered his statement isn't a lie.
 
friday said:
Considering Democrats voted down the Heller amendment, up to that point every action had indicated that Obama was lying. Obama didn't turn on his party until after Wilson called him out. He is still planning on funding abortion even though he says he isn't.
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If democrats voted it down then you'll be able to tell me who voted yay and nay on it and when it got out of committee. There haven't been any votes as this bill hasn't been voted out of committee
 
PogueMoran said:
Obama didn't lie again you want to continue this reach around where you continue being wrong only to go back around in circles, it just makes you sound ridiculous. Again I'll ask you which part of Obama's statement was false? "there are those who say that the health care reform measures we are taking will insure illegal immigrants... this too is false." So how many illegal immigrants have been insured by this? None it hasn't happened. Thats why you calling him a liar on something that hasn't happened yet just makes you look like english isn't your first language.

Again you haven't presented any proof that:

1. SAVE wouldn't have been in the final bill
2. It will stop all illegals from supposedly being insured
3. That those who are smart enough to cheat the system won't be able to get around SAVE.

Until you can prove anything I'd say you say things you can't back up
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Pogue, you are caught in your own statement. You are arguing that the bill has not presently been passed and therefore does not currently cover illegal aliens. Obama didn't say that. He said people say the steps "will" insure illegal aliens. That is future tense. Turns out you are the one having difficulty with the english language.
 
friday said:
Pogue, you are caught in your own statement. You are arguing that the bill has not presently been passed and therefore does not currently cover illegal aliens. Obama didn't say that. He said people say the steps "will" insure illegal aliens. That is future tense. Turns out you are the one having difficulty with the english language.
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That's the point its all future tense. You guys are saying he's lying based on something that hasn't happened. Learn to read. That's what I've been arguing with Void
 
PogueMoran said:
That's the point its all future tense. You guys are saying he's lying based on something that hasn't happened. Learn to read. That's what I've been arguing with Void
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Seriously? If I said I would give you a million dollars next year if you loaned me a hundred today, would you call me a liar or put up the money? I think we should debate this bill before it is passed, not afterward.
 
I'd like to go on record as predicting the Dems don't have balls to do this and will wind up making themselves look weak when they back down.

This pattern gets repeated over and over.

Sissy Dems hoping to placate the GOP so they don't talk bad out them.

Suckers.
 
friday said:
Seriously? If I said I would give you a million dollars next year if you loaned me a hundred today, would you call me a liar or put up the money? I think we should debate this bill before it is passed, not afterward.
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Yeah because that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. Good job with the false analogy
 
PogueMoran said:
Heritage a conservative thinktank? Have anything mainstream? Or maybe logical. Again what part of his statement was a lie?
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That's actually pretty ironic. You say Obama wasn't lying because he was making a statement about a bill that hasn't passed, yet you accuse the heritage foundation of lying about a vote that is easily verifiable because you refuse to read the article?


I think we are done here.
 
friday said:
That's actually pretty ironic. You say Obama wasn't lying because he was making a statement about a bill that hasn't passed, yet you accuse the heritage foundation of lying about a vote that is easily verifiable because you refuse to read the article?


I think we are done here.
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Yeah we're done because once again what part of Obama's statement was false if no illegal immigrants have gotten insured there is nothing false about his statement..

Besides your own article starts off by saying: "The President is correct when he says that the idea to provide illegal immigrants with health insurance"

So even they concede his statement is correct and isn't a lie.

Also in your article not seeing anything showing proof of a vote just them making a statement of it. No source.
 
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PogueMoran said:
Yeah we're done because once again what part of Obama's statement was false if no illegal immigrants have gotten insured there is nothing false about his statement..

Besides your own article starts off by saying: "The President is correct when he says that the idea to provide illegal immigrants with health insurance"

So even they concede his statement is correct and isn't a lie.

Also in your article not seeing anything showing proof of a vote just them making a statement of it. No source.
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Would it make a difference? If I wasted the next five minutes and provided you with a source on that vote would you concede my point? Or just continue in your ignorance?
 
friday said:
Would it make a difference? If I wasted the next five minutes and provided you with a source on that vote would you concede my point? Or just continue in your ignorance?
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What was your point that Obama was lying about something that didn't happen yet? Nothing ignorant here. Until you can prove something actually happens then there was no lie no matter how much wishful thinking you do
 
PogueMoran said:
What was your point that Obama was lying about something that didn't happen yet? Nothing ignorant here. Until you can prove something actually happens then there was no lie no matter how much wishful thinking you do
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That Obama was lying about what he and his party are planning. He said that we are liars for thinking his plan WILL in the future cover illegal aliens. But when Heller offered an amendment to make sure that people's statuses are verified before receiving government health benefits, that amendment was voted down.
 
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