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Joe Wilson Hands Obama Big Victory

PolitiFact | Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't

Joe Wilson of South Carolina said Obama lied, but he didn't

When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants. We hope to look at this issue more in the days ahead, because some hospitals are particularly concerned about recouping their costs for treating illegal immigrants, and we're curious to know more about that problem and how it might or might not be solved by reform.

The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it passes, and it might not -- on the new health insurance exchange. They would purchase that at full cost. Obama's said "the reforms I’m proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False.

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Asswipe stepped waaaaaayyyy the f out of line. The guano wingers who are trying lamely to justify/defend his actions can be lumped right in with Garbage Joe.

Being a conservative who does not support the presidents agenda, let be the first to say this:

OBAMA WINS! Rude Republican Hands Victory To The President In Health Care Debate

It's a good thing for you all, that a republican screwed the pooch, or the judges would have gone to the tie breaker... Examining the issues.

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But, it has no way of preventing it. That's the part of the bill that I wanna see.
I would assume they are going to require a social security number to be able to receive federal subsidies. Much like private insurance companies require your social security number as well. Of course you could still argue illegal immigrants are benefiting from the program if they partake in identity theft but I don't think the government can be held responsible for not catching that every time.

Illegal immigrants can buy into private insurance now and most likely will be able to buy into the government run insurance option. They just won't receive any government help on pricing.

Also, illegal immigrants will also most likely still receive emergency health services because no doctor is going to stop and validate someone's citizenship before saving their life.
 
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I'm sorry but does the OP have an article of some kind to go along with his statement of a "huge victory"?

You're just supposed to assume that PBO won some great victory. I mean, it's PBO, it's understood.
 
I would assume they are going to require a social security number to be able to receive federal subsidies. Much like private insurance companies require your social security number as well. Of course you could still argue illegal immigrants are benefiting from the program if they partake in identity theft but I don't think the government can be held responsible for not catching that every time.

Illegal immigrants can buy into private insurance now and most likely will be able to buy into the government run insurance option. They just won't receive any government help on pricing.

Also, illegal immigrants will also most likely still receive emergency health services because no doctor is going to stop and validate someone's citizenship before saving their life.


I agree with all of that, plus, there's no friggin' way that the government, especially the most Liberal government in our history, is going to refuse medical care to illegal aliens. That, alone, makes me believe that the status quo is the way to go, at least I won't be getting my ass taxed off.
 
How about the fact that the leading health care bill itself specifically states that non-citizens cannot participate in the program?

Really want to try that again you might want to go and read the section the Mr. Wilson was calling Mr. Obama out on or better yet go and listen or watch Mr. Wilson Press Conf. today were he actually names the adm. to the Health Bill that he called Mr. Obama out on.
 
Joe Wilson said what everyone else already knows: PBO is lying through his teeth when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegals. Unless he plans on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals.

Do you have ant facts to prove your scurelous accusations or are you staying with the farts that come out of the mouth of Joe Wilson ?
 
Joe Wilson said what everyone else already knows: PBO is lying through his teeth when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegals. Unless he plans on giving amnesty to 20 million illegals.

Oh yeh in 1491 Stascu Bobalinski of Krakow Poland told his children that every knows that the earth was flat.

Way to go Stascu !!!
 
Do you have ant facts to prove your scurelous accusations or are you staying with the farts that come out of the mouth of Joe Wilson ?

Yes I gave you the link to the thread in this forum I suggest you stop asking this question and go read the report and then admit that Mr. Obama did lie threw his teeth to the American People.
 
Yes I gave you the link to the thread in this forum I suggest you stop asking this question and go read the report and then admit that Mr. Obama did lie threw his teeth to the American People.

That was bogus, it proved nothing.
 
Yes I gave you the link to the thread in this forum I suggest you stop asking this question and go read the report and then admit that Mr. Obama did lie threw his teeth to the American People.

I's not a question at all it's a challenge becasue I know that you do noy have any such proof!! LOL
 
That was bogus, it proved nothing.

Excuse me did you even read what was in the article lets face it Mr. Obama lied plain and simple and has been called on it hell Congress and the Gang of Six has even stated it for the record that Mr. Wilson was correct.
 
Well, it's gotta be something along those lines, or PBO is lying when he says that Obamacare won't cover illegal aliens. There's no way that the most Liberal president in history is going to openly deny medical treatment to illegal aliens. It just ain't gonna happen.

This is not a liberla vs consevative issue. No one not even the most conservative of medical people will deny treatment to an illegal alien in an ermegenc y room becasue there is no proof of residency asked for. The fact is that the bill will not grant express covergare to illegals.
 
You can keep on trying to make this personal and try hard to inject me into the debate, but it will not work.

Personal jabs don't impress me, don't advance the discussion and certainly isn't original.

Sure they make it personal just as Joe Tourrete's Wilson did.
 
Really want to try that again you might want to go and read the section the Mr. Wilson was calling Mr. Obama out on or better yet go and listen or watch Mr. Wilson Press Conf. today were he actually names the adm. to the Health Bill that he called Mr. Obama out on.

I see it. He had a problem with one of the 3 bills.

I must say though calling the President a liar in front of the entire country during a speech is the wrong way to express a needed change in a health care bill still being edited.
 
The title of the thread indicates it is about Joe Wilson (whoever the hell he is) handing something to Prez Doofus. ;)
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So when one of yoour own behaves like an ass of he asses you throw the poor schmuck under the bus.!!!
 
I see it. He had a problem with one of the 3 bills.

I must say though calling the President a liar in front of the entire country during a speech is the wrong way to express a needed change in a health care bill still being edited.

Mr. Wilson called out Mr. Obama only when he said this,

Wilson's outburst immediately followed Obama's statement: "There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

House Minority Leader John Boehner said Thursday that, according to a Congressional Research Service report, illegal immigrants would indeed be covered, defending Wilson's assertion even though he called the manner in which he delivered it "inappropriate."

So let me see who was in the wrong hmm I see Mr. Obama lied to the American People and Mr. Wilson called him on since he knew what had been in the various Bills.
 
I think you're right. An important Senate Dem (Ben Nelson) said the speech was a game changer, as well.

That stement by Ben nelson very well may be an over-statement. But who knows I was wrong once, last milenium.
 
Oh really then all of the Democrats must have been a bunch of classless fools back on Feb, 2 2005 during Mr. W Bush State of the Union Address they boo Mr. Bush not once but on many different time's.

Care to comment on that oh that's rights it's alright for the Democrat's to do that but when a Republican speaks the truth about the section on Illegals and calls Mr. Obama on it then the media and Democrats circle the wagon.

I recall some sitting on hands at a SOTU by Bush but I do not recall actual booing. If there was that would have been wrong. Yet there is a very serious defect in your statement since you make a false statement by claiming that somehow the buffoon and chief idiot of the SC congressional delegation could have the capacity to tell the "truth".
 
Mr. Wilson called out Mr. Obama only when he said this,

Wilson's outburst immediately followed Obama's statement: "There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

House Minority Leader John Boehner said Thursday that, according to a Congressional Research Service report, illegal immigrants would indeed be covered, defending Wilson's assertion even though he called the manner in which he delivered it "inappropriate."

So let me see who was in the wrong hmm I see Mr. Obama lied to the American People and Mr. Wilson called him on since he knew what had been in the various Bills.

There are virtually always things in competing and work in progress bills that never live long enough to travel down the birth canal. Also president Obama did not send down a bill to congress so how can iscreants like Wilson actually try to claim that the POTUS was supporting those aspects of bills in process.
 
There is one great truth to report from last night and that is that the Republicans behaved badly just as if they were paid to do so by special interests. It will be a very sad day indeed when proof is brought to light that certain Republicans were bought and sold a bill of goods ( or bads) by the special interests.
 
There are virtually always things in competing and work in progress bills that never live long enough to travel down the birth canal. Also president Obama did not send down a bill to congress so how can iscreants like Wilson actually try to claim that the POTUS was supporting those aspects of bills in process.

Really the President is the person who is pushing Health Care he knw what is in the various Bill so yes he lied when he made the statement that Mr. wilson called him on.
 
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