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Presidential Address

PogueMoran said:
Wow you really are reaching any further and you might have to introduce yourself. Did DP even exist then? Was I even a member back then? As I said before I didn't know about it that's why I asked and now I condemned it. So whats your argument? That I should say the democrats should burn in hell for doing that? Is that outraged enough for you? Again you're the one demonstrating selective outrage here.
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Look at my join date, although I actually joined well before the date listed.
 
PogueMoran said:
Wow you really are reaching any further and you might have to introduce yourself. Did DP even exist then? Was I even a member back then? As I said before I didn't know about it that's why I asked and now I condemned it. So whats your argument? That I should say the democrats should burn in hell for doing that? Is that outraged enough for you? Again you're the one demonstrating selective outrage here.
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So you want us to believe, someone who claims to know all about the reagan years, etc, all of the sudden discovered politics, and had no idea that bush had been bood?


You can also post outside of DP, as I asked, you made the narrow claim ofDP to hide your selectvity....


Please link to anywhere on the internts where you had a problem with people booing bush at SOTU
 
The President gave a great speech, any objective person would say it, even if you disagree with his ideas. Some people are just too fanatical, partisan and immature with their irrational hatred, is a shame the US is full of so many of them, more than other civilized nations. You can disagree with others, just because they don't share your ideas it doesn't mean they're "evil", only irrational and ignorant people think like that.

On republicans, they're just hypocrites, universal health care is good for Iraq but not the US, right? Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) health care for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:

"First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics,or private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law."
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Bush's followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they say. So, according to republicans, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not for Americans, ok... :roll:
 
btw Pogue, is this you?


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Pogue Moran said:
After a week of resumed attacks about the Rev. Wright I notice that a lot of people are posting comments on Youtube continually talking about Rev. Wright's comments and saying that Barack hasn't done enough to distance himself from Wright. What exactly do these people want? They never seem to be happy with anything Barack does. I pose the question to those on youtube asking them about John McCain actively seeking John Hagee's endorsement. The media doesn't seem to report too much about it. Hagee has made some rather far more offensive remarks than anything Rev. Wright had to say but instead they treat McCain with kid gloves and cosy on up to him. It's more than obvious we will face an uphill battle against the media come the Convention.

It's bad enough that those on the right can't seem to decide whether Barack is too black, not black enough, muslim, christian, etc. At least now we have people believing the Muslim claim less but the fact is that in that small percentage of people the whole Muslim claim can coexist with what they think to be separatist Christian ideology. In the future we're going to see another group propped up by the media like the Swift Boat Veterans for truth. They will not be supported by evidence or proof of any kind and they will be able to put their outrageous claims on tv again and again and the media will allow it and not do enough to expose them for what they really are. Why is it time and time again the Democratic candidates have a far tougher time with the media pouncing on them than Republican candidates.

We will have to come out front and expose the disinformation as it is passed unlike what Kerry did this time get out in front of the lies and beat them back. Fight on Obama
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Centrist? :lamo
 
Gill said:
Look at my join date, although I actually joined well before the date listed.
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Gil I was talking to rev and his reaching not to you... and that's not what i meant.
 
"You Lie"! was the first time the truth has been in at a presidential address to the nation since Lincoln. I thought it was refreshing to hear.
 
Galen said:
The President gave a great speech, any objective person would say it, even if you disagree with his ideas. Some people are just too fanatical, partisan and immature with their irrational hatred, is a shame the US is full of so many of them, more than other civilized nations. You can disagree with others, just because they don't share your ideas it doesn't mean they're "evil", only irrational and ignorant people think like that.
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He always gives great speeches. If you want to get all glazed over by how he forms sentences, then be my guest. I tend to listen to what he is actually saying inside those sentence and the repercussions such statements if put into practice will have. Its called substance. He is full of grandiose rhetoric, but you have to get beyond the 2 year old blank stare of hearing and seeing Baby Einstein on TV for the 1st couple of times and actually pay attention to what the man is actually saying.
 
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Galen said:
The President gave a great speech, any objective person would say it, even if you disagree with his ideas. Some people are just too fanatical, partisan and immature with their irrational hatred, is a shame the US is full of so many of them, more than other civilized nations. You can disagree with others, just because they don't share your ideas it doesn't mean they're "evil", only irrational and ignorant people think like that.

On republicans, they're just hypocrites, universal health care is good for Iraq but not the US, right? Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) health care for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:



Bush's followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they say. So, according to republicans, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not for Americans, ok... :roll:
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First: I could care less about Iraq's constitution.

Second: I find it interesting that you lament the name calling and dissent, then proceed to disparage others as "fanatical, partisan and immature with their irrational hatred".

What were you saying about "only irrational and ignorant people think like that."?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Name calling?


Please show some self control, thanks.
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Difference between looking like one and being one.


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So we were talking about sin, and you thought I was talking about "Idiotry" [sic]?
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Sic is only needed when something is mispelled and you're posting the way it was spelled by the poster. In this case its not needed because that's how the word is actually spelled.

Idiotry Definition | Definition of Idiotry at Dictionary.com

Understand?


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Perplexing...


And more name calling?

Please compose yourself.
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Only making a factual statement saying God-King when no one else uses it is pretty idiotic.


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I called your arguments lies, which they are. I did not call you a liar.
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Saying I'm lying when I'm not is calling someone a liar. I know this is hard for you to understand. My argument was not a lie I gave you the chain of events.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So DP was your 1st foray onto the internets? :roll:
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Didn't I say before this is new information. I didn't watch Bush's state of the unions I didn't even watch this one I just saw the news clip on the guy shouting liar as that was all over the news.
 
rhinefire said:
"You Lie"! was the first time the truth has been in at a presidential address to the nation since Lincoln. I thought it was refreshing to hear.
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Refreshing? No try embarrassing. This does nothing for the conservative movement or the GOP as a whole. Stay classy GOP stay classy.
 
Gill said:
Oh sorry. Someone told me this was a public forum. My bad......:roll:
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Gil what are you talking about? You responded to me as if I was talking to you when I was talking to rev. So I don't get the relevance of your post

Ah I get what you meant. You're saying DP existed in 2005. I thought you were replying about the reaching part. Well I didn't know about DP so how would I post links in 2005 when I wasn't here then.
 
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Scorpion89 said:
Time to take him to Court and have him arrest for High Treason.
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Now, this is just an idiotic statement, folks. Name me one thing that the President has done where he has acted in concert with another individual, group or government body in an effort to remove power from Congress or bring irreputable harm to this country? Show me one law or provide indisbutable evidence that the President has actually weakened this country?

Don't give me the weak economy angle; that was happening before he became President.

Don't go on about him apologizing for this country's misteps; I happen to think we did step on some foreign political toes. His foreign "political capital" is stronger internationally than his predecessors.

You can try the intelligence community/terrorist detainee angle, but it really wouldn't fly considering the debate is still out on what our intellegience agencies were really doing and how lawful or unlawful their activities were. And as for the terrorist detainee angle, GW Bush wanted to release some, if not all, of them as well but he, too, ran into stumbling blocks and couldn't find a practical means to do it.

So, where do you see treasonist activities conducted by our President?
 
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PogueMoran said:
Gil what are you talking about? You responded to me as if I was talking to you when I was talking to rev. So I don't get the relevance of your post
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OK, here's a hint.

Every thing you post can be read and responded to by anyone that cares to.

Understand now???
 
PogueMoran said:
Difference between looking like one and being one.
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:lol:


I guess you fail to see the "lie" vs "liar" thing you just conceded here. :lol:


Sic is only needed when something is mispelled and you're posting the way it was spelled by the poster. In this case its not needed because that's how the word is actually spelled.

Idiotry Definition | Definition of Idiotry at Dictionary.com

Understand?
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Not a real word. FAIL



Only making a factual statement saying God-King when no one else uses it is pretty idiotic.
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I demonstrated your angle. Sorry.





Saying I'm lying when I'm not is calling someone a liar. I know this is hard for you to understand. My argument was not a lie I gave you the chain of events.
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So then you were by your logic, calling me an idiot, since you said I "look like an idiot"....

Thank you for admitting your name calling.

I disagree, I called your arguments lies, you called me an idiot.





Didn't I say before this is new information. I didn't watch Bush's state of the unions I didn't even watch this one I just saw the news clip on the guy shouting liar as that was all over the news.
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I don't believe you, I bet you cheered when they bood.

:shrug:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So you want us to believe, someone who claims to know all about the reagan years, etc, all of the sudden discovered politics, and had no idea that bush had been bood?


You can also post outside of DP, as I asked, you made the narrow claim ofDP to hide your selectvity....


Please link to anywhere on the internts where you had a problem with people booing bush at SOTU
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Well now do you have me posting on forums in 2005? I didn't post in debate forums in 2005. Keep looking?

Well Rev you didn't seem to know about it either when I asked you about it. So this was news to you as well. You seem to know everything right?
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol:


I guess you fail to see the "lie" vs "liar" thing you just conceded here. :lol:


Not a real word. FAIL
Not exactly there's a difference between saying you look like something but when you say someone is lying you're implying they're a liar.

liar  
–noun a person who tells lies.

You're saying I'm lying when I give you the chain of events you just said. Yeah you're calling me a liar. Keep dancing rev I'm used to this same old record you play.



Reverend_Hellh0und said:
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I demonstrated your angle. Sorry.
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Demonstrating my angle? Yeah Rev here we go again where you tell people what their position is when are you going to make the topic when you debate yourself?


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
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So then you were by your logic, calling me an idiot, since you said I "look like an idiot"....
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I know language is hard for you to understand. Saying someone is lying is calling them a liar. There's a huge difference between that and saying you look like an idiot when you make the nonfactual statements you make.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Thank you for admitting your name calling.

I disagree, I called your arguments lies, you called me an idiot.
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Disagree all you want but saying someone is lying is calling them a liar and its not the same as saying someone looks idiotic when they say Obama is a "God-king"


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
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I don't believe you, I bet you cheered when they bood.

:shrug:
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Then you're being mighty dellusional today.
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Gill said:
OK, here's a hint.

Every thing you post can be read and responded to by anyone that cares to.

Understand now???
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Gil gil I think we had a case of miscommunication. As I said in the previous post it looked like you were responding to the part about rev reaching and not to you saying DP existed in 2005. So when I responded and you responded I had to go back and double check what you were saying. Didn't mean to sound snappy it wasn't meant that way
 
Gill said:
Actually, he's not correct. There are probably 30 million citizens that don't have insurance, but it's not because they cannot get it. For a significant number, it's because they don't want to get it. They'd rather spend their money on cars, a big screen tv, and partying. I've heard that the actual number of people that don't have insurance because they can't afford it and are not eligible for assistance is actually around 12 million.

As for the illegal alien issue, yes, the bill specifically states that they are not eligible for coverage. BUT, there is no provision to verify citizenship in the bill. Republicans tried several times to have proof of citizenship as part of the bill and each time the Dems shot them down.

If a bar owner declares to the world that underage kids won't be allowed to enter his bar for drinks, yet tells his doorman not to check id, what do you think will happen??
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No, the 30mil is those who cannot get insurance, primarily b/c of affordability.

There is no proof of citizenship required to purchase insurance in the Exchange to be created, there is proof of citizenship required to receive any federal money to do so. The bills allow no free or subsidized coverage to any illegal alien.


Taylor said:
A PDF of the document was conveniently posted for you earlier. If memory serves, the finding is clearly stated in the third paragraph of the executive summary. The facts are on my side, you can either see for yourself, or choose to be ignorant, it makes no difference to me!


You should read the bill:

"Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

As I said, this statement is found in subtitle C and refers to subtitle C. Subtitle C discusses affordability credits.

BUT AGAIN (and this keeps getting ignored) -- even the above is of little use without enforcement provisions.
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Affordability credits mean federal money to purchase insurance. The bill specifically excludes any federal money for assistance purchasing insurance. Continuing to believe the lies of those telling you otherwise is irrational.



The Prof said:
oh, yes, absolutely, the president IS correct

there ARE indeed 30 million CITIZENS uncovered

LOLOLOL!

i wonder, when he spent SIX MONTHS talking about 47 million, exactly to whom he referred...
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30 millions citizens who cannot get insurance.
There are more citizens who can and choose not to.
And more non-citizens who are legally in the US who cannot get insurance.
And more non-citizens who are illegally in the US who cannot get insurance.


Long and short of it, 47 million uninsured is correct; and 30 million uninsured citizens who cannot get insurance is also correct.
 
jackalope said:
And more non-citizens who are legally in the US who cannot get insurance.
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One of the dirty little secrets no one knows about is that illegals who go to a hospital that take Medicare DO NOT HAVE TO PAY. There is an account specifically for people who do not have documentation that is drawn from that pays for illegals. So they arlready have health insurance, just not a piece of paper that says so.

Look it up.
 
Erod said:
One of the dirty little secrets no one knows about is that illegals who go to a hospital that take Medicare DO NOT HAVE TO PAY. There is an account specifically for people who do not have documentation that is drawn from that pays for illegals. So they arlready have health insurance, just not a piece of paper that says so.

Look it up.
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I believe you ... however the part of the quote you replied to was talking about legal non-citizens.

There is a difference b/w legal non-citizens and illegal non-citizens, they should not continue to be lumped together and spoken about interchangeably.
 
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