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Presidential Address

sazerac said:
So the plan doesn't include illegal immigrants? That should have been the first thing we learned about the plan.
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I think it is insane that something like that must be spelled out. Maybe I give Obama and Democrats too much credit. I just assumed this was a given.

Hey, wasn't the not paying for abortion thing new? I expected the immigrant thing. I was not so sure about abortions. The hall was a little quiet when he said it. I don't think they were expecting that.
 
The thing is a lot of people went in to the speech having already made up their mind and not listening to what Obama and the Republican Congressmen said without a biased view.
 
I predict you will see South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson on many talk shows in the next few day.
Perhaps a censure resolution against him?
Joe Wilson - Home
 
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pro-bipartisan said:
The thing is a lot of people went in to the speech having already made up their mind and not listening to what Obama and the Republican Congressmen said without a biased view.
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I think they both made sense in some areas. I would have liked more details.
 
PogueMoran said:
No because that won't do a damn thing. You can't reason with unreasonable people. You release the long form they'll claim its fake, that it was photocopied that's why all the requests for every other document about him. If you give a mouse a cookie he'll ask for a glass of milk.



How do both none of the town halls have screamers but some did? Those two statements are directly contradictory. So those screameers under your lack of logic would be considered traitors to this country.. Again according to you because they are violating the first amendment.

Obama glasses? Again your stupidity shows clear. I defend your right to make any stupid statement you like but I also have a right to call you out on it. You saying a president is committing high treason based on you not liking his policies and then getting called out on it has nothing to do with Obama and who supports him. Its not just supporters of Obama calling you out for your stupidity
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This asking to see the "long form" is BS. Let me ask yoou birthers or birther sympathizes some questions. If you are one of the millioins and millions of people who have never actually gone to Washington and seem one of the "original" constitutions but have only seem copies or electronic images do you think that it is legitimate say that you cannot belive that the Constitution really existed unless you actually viewed the real thing or at least got within 16 " behind the glass of teh real thing ?

As rediculous as that sounds about not beleiveing that the Constitution exists unless you saw the real thing that is just as rediculous you people sound when you want to have the "long form" exposed.
 
F107HyperSabr said:
This asking to see the "long form" is BS. Let me ask yoou birthers or birther sympathizes some questions. If you are one of the millioins and millions of people who have never actually gone to Washington and seem one of the "original" constitutions but have only seem copies or electronic images do you think that it is legitimate say that you cannot belive that the Constitution really existed unless you actually viewed the real thing or at least got within 16 " behind the glass of teh real thing ?

As rediculous as that sounds about not beleiveing that the Constitution exists unless you saw the real thing that is just as rediculous you people sound when you want to have the "long form" exposed.
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Eh you don't need to quote me on that. I was responding to Scorpion claiming that somehow releasing the long form would shut the birthers up.
 
Devil505 said:
I predict you will see Rep. Joe Wilson on many talk shows in the next few day.
Perhaps a censure resolution against him?
Joe Wilson - Home
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Obama looked pissed when he said it. I thought he was going to call the guy out. Do you want to take this outside? That would have been funny.
 
Devil505 said:
I predict you will see Rep. Joe Wilson on many talk shows in the next few day.
Perhaps a censure resolution against him?
Joe Wilson - Home
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my wife had put on MSNBC after the speech and keth Ubbermann said something from his us\ually casutic vicious self that was actually funny . Paraphrasing it " Joe Wilson Congressman from South CAROLINE you should apologize, resign, get out, move to another country, doesn't matter those are your choices Goober " Goober good touch Kaustic Kieth lol Goober !!
 
AndrewC said:
Obama looked pissed when he said it. I thought he was going to call the guy out. Do you want to take this outside? That would have been funny.
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Could have been a good rumble but the Secret Service would play spoil sport !! too bad could have been fun! Jsut joking !! sort of
 
PogueMoran said:
Eh you don't need to quote me on that. I was responding to Scorpion claiming that somehow releasing the long form would shut the birthers up.
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sorry I thought I was fighting with Scorpion89 ( like the airplane though) slow but interesting for it's time as an interceptor!!
 
F107HyperSabr said:
Could have been a good rumble but the Secret Service would play spoil sport !! too bad could have been fun! Jsut joking !! sort of
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Andrew Jackson would have been like "pistols at dawn". Heck Jackson may have bum rushed him right then and there.
 
Devil505 said:
I predict you will see South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson on many talk shows in the next few day.
Perhaps a censure resolution against him?
Joe Wilson - Home
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Meh. He already apologized to the white house and issued a public apology.

His comments were highly inappropriate in that setting regardless of any "feelings" he may have had.
 
goldendog said:
I think the President did great job of clearly explaining himself. It is going too be interesting to see how the whacko's react to this type of in your face diplomacy....:2wave:
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you are wise beyond your years Golden but the Prez should have shown that he had brass ones earlier on. The opposition used the emotional BS and lies and Astro-Turf very well in the town halls .. I think that the opposition did a not damage and there may not be enough momentum
 
akyron said:
Meh. He already apologized to the white house and issued a public apology.

His comments were highly inappropriate in that setting regardless of any "feelings" he may have had.
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He did? I've been trying to load his page, but no success.
You don't have a link, do you?
 
There was a far more compelling, inspiring, truly American story going on in Flushing Meadows at the same time as the speech, so I was watching ESPN2. From what I read of the speech, I'm glad I was.

Reads like Bush's speeches on the lead-up to the Iraq invasion.
 
jackalope said:
He did? I've been trying to load his page, but no success.
You don't have a link, do you?
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Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!' - Yahoo! News

In a statement, Wilson said later that he regretted the incident.

"This evening I let my emotions get the best of me," Wilson said. "While I disagree with the president's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the president for this lack of civility."
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Scorpion89 said:
Mr. Reagan could out do Mr. Obama any day of the year and twice on Sunday Mr. Obama needs someone to write his little speech's at least Mr. Reagan wrote most of his.

Mr. Obama is Traitor and should be arrest for what he said in this Speech.
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That is absolutely loony. He told congressmen if they lied about what is in the plan, say, claiming it will kill your grandma, they will call out for your lie. Calling people out for lying is not a violation of the 1st Amendment. In fact, your arguing that he can't call people out for lying if anything is a violation of the first amendment.

Secondly, Peggy Noonan wrote Reagan's speeches.

Your blind hatred is impairing reason and rationalness on your part.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
That is absolutely loony. He told congressmen if they lied about what is in the plan, say, claiming it will kill your grandma, they will call out for your lie. Calling people out for lying is not a violation of the 1st Amendment. In fact, your arguing that he can't call people out for lying if anything is a violation of the first amendment.

Secondly, Peggy Noonan wrote Reagan's speeches.

Your blind hatred is impairing reason and rationalness on your part.
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Noonan also always struck me as a better public speaker than Reagan.
 
Redress said:
Noonan also always struck me as a better public speaker than Reagan.
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Countess Noonan is about the classiest woman that has ever set foot in Washington.
 
AndrewC said:
Andrew Jackson would have been like "pistols at dawn". Heck Jackson may have bum rushed him right then and there.
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yeh, matched dueling p1stols at 20 paces or whatever the distance was .. one of them would have gotten lead poisoning !
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Countess Noonan is about the classiest woman that has ever set foot in Washington.
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I have soft spots for Nancy Reagan and Mary Matelin myself, though Noonan is definitely quality.
 
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