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Presidential Address

Scorpion89 said:
Oh I love this part,

"I will not waste time with those who have made the calculation that it's better politics to kill this plan than improve it," he told a joint session of Congress and a national television audience. "If you misrepresent what's in the plan, we will call you out."

So Mr. Obama want's a War with the Middle Class then fine he will get what he is asking for. What a Jackass time to remove him from Office what he just said is Treason and he should be arrest and thrown in the deepest dark hole.
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Au contraire, my friend, he is going to bat for the middle class. And I'm glad he's going to call out the lies. :)
 
jackalope said:
Geez, Boustany is done already. He didn't say that much. For buying about state lines, referred to GOPer health care website. I think it was a House site.
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Have you looked at the GOP proposal? It's not horrible, and would be a great message if they ever used it, and actually negotiated for it. It comes back down to the usual that the GOP(the elected officials, not the members) figures it's safer just to say no than to push for something themselves.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Mr. Reagan could out do Mr. Obama any day of the year and twice on Sunday Mr. Obama needs someone to write his little speech's at least Mr. Reagan wrote most of his.

Mr. Obama is Traitor and should be arrest for what he said in this Speech.
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Yeah in other words you have nothing to add. Were you even alive when Reagan was president? He used hollywood lines and near the end wouldn't remember what he was talking about. I'm still curious about your interpretation of the constitution with "the house and senate confirming appointments"
 
Woah, this is turning into a waterfall of new posts, I'm getting a little disoriented.

Obama addressed my main concern about the proposal, which was how much it would ultimately cost us as a nation. I quite liked his answer of $0, and the fact that he set forward a proposal that would require spending cuts if the money was not there to fund the entire bill.
 
jackalope said:
Au contraire, my friend, he is going to bat for the middle class. And I'm glad he's going to call out the lies. :)
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Going to bat for the middle class? How so?
 
Redress said:
Treason? Really? On what planet?
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Earth/North America/United States of America what he just said is a direct violation of what are Founding Fathers strived for. Time to remove him from office today right now.
 
Interesting that we're debating health care now & not steroid use in MLB or Terry Schaivo though, no?
 
apdst said:
And Mussolini, Franco, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lennon and Idi Amin. Anyone else see a pattern?
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And Jack Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan, and Winston Churchill, and Douglas MacArthur...
 
apdst said:
It was more of the same garbage in a different wrapper. I guess PBO seems to think that if he sells the the same BS a different way that people will believe it.
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The problem with your argument is that many conservatives like you came in with the predetermined notion that it is all "BS," which is not true. If you turn down the Fox News and stop worshiping the negative adds that spew lies, maybe you can see the truth that Obama's plan is actually great.

Its not garbage, but I definitely agree that it is the same thing in a different wrapper, and I liked it. It was about time Obama had sternly addressed the nation as well as the Congress. It is true its the same thing, but it is about time he places it in a different wrapper.
 
apdst said:
And Mussolini, Franco, Ho Chi Minh, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lennon and Idi Amin. Anyone else see a pattern?
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So were Jesus, Jefferson, Buddha...

Being a good speaker does not make someone evil.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Earth/North America/United States of America what he just said is a direct violation of what are Founding Fathers strived for. Time to remove him from office today right now.
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How so? I am just not making the connection. Maybe I am missing something that is obvious to you.
 
PogueMoran said:
Yeah in other words you have nothing to add. Were you even alive when Reagan was president? He used hollywood lines and near the end wouldn't remember what he was talking about. I'm still curious about your interpretation of the constitution with "the house and senate confirming appointments"
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Ah yes I was Junior so run along and do your homework like Chairman Obama wants you to.
 
Redress said:
Have you looked at the GOP proposal? It's not horrible, and would be a great message if they ever used it, and actually negotiated for it. It comes back down to the usual that the GOP(the elected officials, not the members) figures it's safer just to say no than to push for something themselves.
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Yes, but I was heartily disappointed that it was not accompanied by any numbers as to numbers of uninsured it will allow to be covered; and cost of plan. Their plan wasn't really a plan, it was an outline, more or less.


There are for sure some ideas worthwhile, many of which will be incorporated into what eventually gets signed into law.
 
ScottD said:
Woah, this is turning into a waterfall of new posts, I'm getting a little disoriented.

Obama addressed my main concern about the proposal, which was how much it would ultimately cost us as a nation. I quite liked his answer of $0, and the fact that he set forward a proposal that would require spending cuts if the money was not there to fund the entire bill.
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Me too, getting disoriented :shock:
 
jackalope said:
Yes, but I was heartily disappointed that it was not accompanied by any numbers as to numbers of uninsured it will allow to be covered; and cost of plan. Their plan wasn't really a plan, it was an outline, more or less.


There are for sure some ideas worthwhile, many of which will be incorporated into what eventually gets signed into law.
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It comes back to something I have been saying awhile no. If the republicans where to switch to a positive message, outlining proposals, and showing what they think should be done, instead of complaining about Obama, us liberals could be in trouble. Thankfully for us, they are not doing that.
 
jackalope said:
Geez, Boustany is done already. He didn't say that much. For buying about state lines, referred to GOPer health care website. I think it was a House site.
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Terrible idea look at the credit card industry. Now you have only 2 states where credit card companies issue their cards from. So then there are laxer regulations for the insurance industries and we end up with the equivalent of delaware for the health insurance industries
 
Cilogy said:
Its not garbage, but I definitely agree that it is the same thing in a different wrapper, and I liked it. It was about time Obama had sternly addressed the nation as well as the Congress. It is true its the same thing, but it is about time he places it in a different wrapper.
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So, in short, you're just another O-bot?
 
...the danger of too much government is matched by the perils of too little...
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I did not care for this part.

I did not catch the whole speech. He seems to have loosened up a little and is talking more naturally. I think it went well as far as mechanics and delivery.

Now to turn "partisan" (critical) I think he is misleading and I think he likes to try to make his political enemies look stupid or evil instead of actually disputing the "lies" they have been propagating. I learned nothing but I felt reassured. :roll:
 
ScottD said:
So were Jesus, Jefferson, Buddha...

Being a good speaker does not make someone evil.
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Yeah, but there's a huge difference in the message.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Ah yes I was Junior so run along and do your homework like Chairman Obama wants you to.
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Sure kiddo then you'd remember what I do. Just like your bit about the house confirming appointments
 
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