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EgoffTib said:
What are you having a hard time grasping? Making assumptions and jumping to conclusions before we even have the final bill is asinine.
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Why do you have a hard time grasping that the bill under discussion here is the bill under discussion to become the law of the land.

HR3200 is the bill being considered in Congress right NOW !!

If Obama and Pelosi had their way, it would have slipped through the House weeks ago without any more discussion.
 
apdst said:
It's happening now. What mechanics of this bill is going to stop that?
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What I'm saying is that we don't know what they will do in the future to prevent this type of activity if it is indeed significant.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to figure all that out, then pass it? Call me crazy, but I think we should.
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I don't think that the numbers will be significant enough to warrant that.

But, the fact is, they haven't put controls in place to keep illegals from receiving health care under this bill, probably at the tax payers's expense.
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They haven't specifically spelled it out in this bill and who knows what will happen. As for the rest, it's merely your opinion.

There are 20 million illegals in this country. How can the numbers be insignificant and small?
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So you really think that all 20 million illegals are going to actually try and soak up this medical care? Illegals try to stay under the radar as much as possible. You may be worried, but I'm not.
 
Gill said:
Why do you have a hard time grasping that the bill under discussion here is the bill under discussion to become the law of the land.

HR3200 is the bill being considered in Congress right NOW !!

If Obama and Pelosi had their way, it would have slipped through the House weeks ago without any more discussion.
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Yet it is still in the House, having the kinks worked out. That means things may change. Are you still following?
 
Gill said:
If you consider 10 million illegals "a few", then we don't have much more to discuss.
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So you think that 10 million illegals are going to try and soak up this health care? Like I just said, illegals try to stay under the radar as much as possible so that they don't get caught and deported.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
So you think that 10 million illegals are going to try and soak up this health care? Like I just said, illegals try to stay under the radar as much as possible so that they don't get caught and deported.
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That's not true in sanctuary cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. They move about freely here with no worry about deportation.
 
EgoffTib said:
Yet it is still in the House, having the kinks worked out. That means things may change. Are you still following?
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I don't know about you, but I prefer discussing the bill under consideration so I can let my representative know how I feel about it.

You can feel free to wait until its passed before letting your representatives know your thoughts.
 
jallman said:
That's not true in sanctuary cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. They move about freely here with no worry about deportation.
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That may be, but I still don't think it will be that significant. Again, this is just my opinion. I'm sure if it becomes too much of a problem they will put in a filter. Granted, like many on the right here I think it should have been in there in the first place. However, I really don't think it needs to be. I could very well be wrong. To be honest, I'm far more concerned with other things about the bill than whether or not illegals will benefit from it.
 
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Gill said:
I don't know about you, but I prefer discussing the bill under consideration so I can let my representative know how I feel about it.

You can feel free to wait until its passed before letting your representatives know your thoughts.
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Again, discussing the bill and making assumptions are not the same thing.
 
jallman said:
That's not true in sanctuary cities like San Francisco and Los Angeles. They move about freely here with no worry about deportation.
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They're not getting deported almost anywhere now, and if they do they just turn around and come right back across.

Most police and other emergency people aren't even allowed to report them as illegals.
 
EgoffTib said:
Again, discussing the bill and making assumptions are not the same thing.
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That's why I'm not making any assumptions about it. Only discussing what is and what is not in the bill.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
What I'm saying is that we don't know what they will do in the future to prevent this type of activity if it is indeed significant.
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One thing we do know, is that there's nothing in place to prevent it.







So you really think that all 20 million illegals are going to actually try and soak up this medical care? Illegals try to stay under the radar as much as possible. You may be worried, but I'm not.
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Where are all those illegals getting health care from, now?
 
Just wanted to point this out, because Apdst's "debate" tactics amuse me:


apdst said:
You're assuming that the bill will prevent illegal aliens from getting free health care under Obamacare.
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EgoffTib said:
Really? Show me where I made that assumption.
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apdst said:
Show me what part of the bill that filters illegal aliens out of the process.
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Well done, sir. You are better than Truth Detector at deflections.
 
EgoffTib said:
What a surprise, you cannot do it.
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You're assuming that the bill has provisions that will insure that illegals won't be soaking up millions of dollars worth of free, or subsidized health care. It doesn't. If it does, then you need to post it.
 
apdst said:
One thing we do know, is that there's nothing in place to prevent it.
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Nor is there now. So what is the big deal?

Where are all those illegals getting health care from, now?
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Well, obviously they are getting it with us. However, now there are no filters either.
 
apdst said:
You're assuming that the bill has provisions that will insure that illegals won't be soaking up millions of dollars worth of free, or subsidized health care. It doesn't. If it does, then you need to post it.
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"Please prove a negative because I can't prove they actually will do that"
 
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apdst said:
You're assuming that the bill has provisions that will insure that illegals won't be soaking up millions of dollars worth of free, or subsidized health care. It doesn't. If it does, then you need to post it.
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Again, show me where I have posted this.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
That may be, but I still don't think it will be that significant. Again, this is just my opinion. I'm sure if it becomes too much of a problem they will put in a filter. Granted, like many on the right here I think it should have been in there in the first place. However, I really don't think it needs to be. I could very well be wrong.
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I dunno man...I am not entering this as "evidence" for the purposes of this discussion, but I have two friends that work in the billing department of Harbor UCLA and they both talk all the time about how much illegals cost the hospital. I think there needs to be a definite requirement of your social security car + picture ID in order to gain access to any public health services.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Nor is there now. So what is the big deal?
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So, that makes it ok that this bill won't prevent it?

Aren't the people who aren't paying for health care the whole argument for passing this bill?
 
jallman said:
I dunno man...I am not entering this as "evidence" for the purposes of this discussion, but I have two friends that work in the billing department of Harbor UCLA and they both talk all the time about how much illegals cost the hospital. I think there needs to be a definite requirement of your social security car + picture ID in order to gain access to any public health services.
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It may not be spelled out in the bill because they want to leave it up to the hospitals to outline these policies and procedures. Hopefully they will do so.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
It may not be spelled out in the bill because they want to leave it up to the hospitals to outline these policies and procedures. Hopefully they will do so.
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You're losing ground, fast.
 
apdst said:
So, that makes it ok that this bill won't prevent it?

Aren't the people who aren't paying for health care the whole argument for passing this bill?
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I'm not saying it makes it okay, but I honestly don't think its that big of a deal. Plus, I fail to see why people on the right are getting uppity about it when the current system has the same flaw.
 
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