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Presidential Address

American said:
I see the Messiah syndrome is still an issue with lefties.
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How did you get that opinion from what she wrote? Jeepers creepers, it's amazing how much you're stretching here. :roll:

What Redress meant was that even IF Obama performed a miracle, he'd still be criticized. Get it now?
 
Gee I wonder what spurred the thought in his mind. :roll:
 
Devil505 said:
No....I think that many American voters, who have been confused by the lies the GOP & insurance giants have been vomiting all summer, now have a better understanding of what Obama's HC plan really is & will support it.
They will then contact their elected reps & a real HC reform bill will finally be passed & signed into law by the end of this year.
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I have to admit that I'm enjoying how he's addressing the lies and distortions, as he should. Though I am not a huge for of his current plan, I do believe it to be a step in the right direction.

As for Joe Wilson, he only made himself look like the biggest dickhead. There's is a time and place to criticize, and the time he chose was not appropriate. I wonder if Obama should be thrilled that a pair of shoes were not thrown at him. :2razz:
 
Middleground said:
I have to admit that I'm enjoying how he's addressing the lies and distortions, as he should. Though I am not a huge for of his current plan, I do believe it to be a step in the right direction.

As for Joe Wilson, he only made himself look like the biggest dickhead. There's is a time and place to criticize, and the time he chose was not appropriate. I wonder if Obama should be thrilled that a pair of shoes were not thrown at him. :2razz:
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You quickly forget what happened for the prior 8 years to Bush don't you? You think shoes is all he had to endure. Now you want civility, now that your favorite is in. Hypocrites live on the left.
 
American said:
You quickly forget what happened for the prior 8 years to Bush don't you? You think shoes is all he had to endure. Now you want civility, now that your favorite is in. Hypocrites live on the left.
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What happened to Bush during addresses before a joint session of Congress?
 
American said:
Yeah, let's try to shutup the critics, it's the American way.
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Nice deflection.

Answer the question. I'll even repost it for you.

What happened to Bush during addresses before a joint session of Congress?
 
American said:
You quickly forget what happened for the prior 8 years to Bush don't you? You think shoes is all he had to endure. Now you want civility, now that your favorite is in. Hypocrites live on the left.
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Yeah everyone must forget the last 8 years right. Bush getting a free pass after 9/11 where most of the country rallied behind him all the way up until the middle of the iraq war. Where the press stopped doing its job and didn't look into Iraq and just sucked up. Yeah those 8 years. Oh wait it wasn't until after 2003 that people turned against him so it was more like 5? 4? Then there was Katrina and the failure of FEMA, Walter Reid, The Justice Department. Just cause.

Now Obama even before he was president you had people complaining. Why isn't the economy getting better? I thought he was supposed to change everything. This was all before his inauguration. Then the first day they complained. A month into it they complained. This is nowhere near what Bush went through for cause
 
His speech was like all of his speeches, full of logical fallacies and of course he just straight up lies.
You can't make medical care cheaper by adding more people to the system who don't pay much of anything, unless of course you ration care.

I'm really getting tired of all you cheerleaders who believe him at his word without doing any independent research on your own.
Your opinions are pretty much worthless.
I'm also tired of everyone else, who disagrees with nearly everything they are proposing, getting sidelined and put down by those who are so massively uninformed.

In all it was a garbage in and garbage out moment.
 
American said:
Gee I wonder what spurred the thought in his mind. :roll:
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I think what spurred it to my mind was needing something extreme for my example. I don't think Obama is the messiah, and even posted about my disappointments with him yesterday.
 
Redress said:
PolitiFact only caught him in one "lie". PolitiFact | Obama makes the case for health care reform
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Sorry but PolitiFact drops the ball but not analyzing it in detail enough.

You will not be able to keep your insurance if they make any of kind of major change to the contract.
That is simply not true when you consider the details.

He is constantly misrepresenting the truth and emotionalizing this whole thing.
Frankly, I'm sick of hearing his pontifications and demands he's making from congress.

His place is the CEO of the U.S. and Congress is supposed to tell him what to do.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
You will not be able to keep your insurance if they make any of kind of major change to the contract.
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IIRC, FactCheck agrees with you on this, though it would be after 5(I think) years. Too early to look it up, and since I got today off work, I am being lazy anyway.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: only one..... :doh
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For this whole health care debate, only one is better than most.

Nice part of having the day off work is I actually get to talk to the good rev while he is on.
 
Redress said:
For this whole health care debate, only one is better than most.
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I don't trust him. Illegals will be covered, so will electives such as abortions.... Fact is, there will be "death panels" as there are today in the private sector, You will be forced into the government option if you change jobs or what not...


These things are all on his wish list.


Nice part of having the day off work is I actually get to talk to the good rev while he is on.
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This is a treat for you, as it is for everyone who gets to talk to the Good Reverend live. :thumbs:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I don't trust him. Illegals will be covered, so will electives such as abortions.... Fact is, there will be "death panels" as there are today in the private sector, You will be forced into the government option if you change jobs or what not...


These things are all on his wish list.
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Since I have neither the time nor the inclination to painfully read through the 3(?) bills floating around, I have to trust my research. Of the things you list, only one is accurate, and I do not believe those things are on his wish list.
 
Redress said:
Since I have neither the time nor the inclination to painfully read through the 3(?) bills floating around, I have to trust my research. Of the things you list, only one is accurate, and I do not believe those things are on his wish list.
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we will see.... Like I said, I don't trust him. I don't like the idea of a cradle to grave society and this is what he wants...
 
Devil505 said:
What did everyone think?
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i was appalled at the idiot who called obama a liar. what are we getting to?

otherwise, i though obama was great. of course, he is my dear leader.....
 
jackalope said:
To exclude undocumented non-citizens, as Right pointed out. And the lower number was to include only those who cannot get insurance now. And, it appears Obama was correct, there are 30 million citizens who cannot get insurance.
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Actually, he's not correct. There are probably 30 million citizens that don't have insurance, but it's not because they cannot get it. For a significant number, it's because they don't want to get it. They'd rather spend their money on cars, a big screen tv, and partying. I've heard that the actual number of people that don't have insurance because they can't afford it and are not eligible for assistance is actually around 12 million.

As for the illegal alien issue, yes, the bill specifically states that they are not eligible for coverage. BUT, there is no provision to verify citizenship in the bill. Republicans tried several times to have proof of citizenship as part of the bill and each time the Dems shot them down.

If a bar owner declares to the world that underage kids won't be allowed to enter his bar for drinks, yet tells his doorman not to check id, what do you think will happen??
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
we will see.... Like I said, I don't trust him. I don't like the idea of a cradle to grave society and this is what he wants...
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I am betting against a public option getting passed, so we may not see.
 
liblady said:
i was appalled at the idiot who called obama a liar. what are we getting to?

otherwise, i though obama was great. of course, he is my dear leader.....
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:lol: were you just as appalled at people yelling at Bush?
 
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