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Presidential Address

jackalope said:
Slowly now ....

The Republican-circulated list on the purported Democratic 'no' vote whip count is propaganda.

Thx for the drink! :beer:


ps - someone else answered your direct question. I ignored it b/c it was all caps. :mrgreen:
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and just what was that answer, jackalope?

why did the prez change his promise to advance coverage to 47 million americans to insuring 30 million citizens?

no answer?

i understand

the reason really is rather recognizable
 
The Prof said:
borderline?

plagiarism is plargiarism

i didn't see luntz
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Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.

The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) and tried to pass it off as your own without giving proper credit.

It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
 
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The Prof said:
and just what was that answer, jackalope?

why did the prez change his promise to advance coverage to 47 million americans to insuring 30 million citizens?

no answer?

i understand

the reason really is rather recognizable
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The_Limt said:
Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.

The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) andtried to pass it off as your own without giving proper credit.

It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
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There you go, Lmt's the one who answered it. Appreciate the lack of caps, tho.

I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.

Of course, the GOPer 'plan' had no such numbers attached.

But, truthfully, I didn't have enough interest to begin to google around for you. Try researching the answer. You can let us know. :2wave:
 
The_Limt said:
Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.
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ah, but you sure TRY

LOLOL!

The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) and passed it off as your own without giving proper credit.

It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
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makshift?

creditibility?

LOLOLOL!

keep perusing The powerful Prof, poser, it's positive to pay off

perhaps one day you'll be apprised as to the personal responsibilities of WHIP

LOLOLOL!
 
jackalope said:
There you go, Lmt's the one who answered it. Appreciate the lack of caps, tho.

I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.

Of course, the GOPer 'plan' had no such numbers attached.

But, truthfully, I didn't have enough interest to begin to google around for you. Try researching the answer. You can let us know. :2wave:
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you don't know what you're talking about
 
The_Limt said:
Most of what you posted remains nonsense. As usual, I can't make out 90 per cent of your ramblings.

The makshift excuse that you didn't see Luntz is fragile at best, and conspicuously false at worst.

You used somebody else's claim literally moments after it was broadcasted (In this case Frank Luntz) and tried to pass it off as your own without giving proper credit.

It is plagiarizing, it is dishonest, and it speaks volumes as to your creditibility.
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and you actually EDITED that?

LOLOLOL!
 
The_Limt said:
that you would blantaly repeat exactly what you heard on FOX News literally moments after it is broadcasted...and not even credit the claim to its proper source.
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blantaly?

LOLOLOL!
 
The Prof said:
ah, but you sure TRY

LOLOL!



makshift?

creditibility?

LOLOLOL!

keep perusing The powerful Prof, poser, it's positive to pay off

perhaps one day you'll be apprised as to the personal responsibilities of WHIP

LOLOLOL!
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You remain a petty plagiarist who makes his internet 'living' by passing off someone else's work as your own.

You get called on it, and then try to shoot the messenger.

You heavily and candidly borrowed from Luntz tonight - almost right after his views were broadcasted - and didn't give him credit.

That is about as bad as it gets.
 
jackalope said:
There you go, Lmt's the one who answered it. Appreciate the lack of caps, tho.

I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.

Of course, the GOPer 'plan' had no such numbers attached.

But, truthfully, I didn't have enough interest to begin to google around for you. Try researching the answer. You can let us know. :2wave:
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The Prof said:
you don't know what you're talking about
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Here you go, your lack of caps in the end did pique my interest. The answer is, he changed from the amount of uninsured in the country to the amount of uninsured who can't get coverage:


OBAMA: "There are now more than 30 million American citizens who cannot get coverage."

THE FACTS: Obama time and again has referred to the number of uninsured as 46 million, a figure based on year-old Census data. The new number is based on an analysis by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, which concluded that about two-thirds of Americans without insurance are poor or near poor. "These individuals are less likely to be offered employer-sponsored coverage or to be able to afford to purchase their own coverage," the report said. By using the new figure, Obama avoids criticism that he is including individuals, particularly healthy young people, who choose not to obtain health insurance.

The Associated Press: FACT CHECK: Obama uses iffy math on deficit pledge
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And, conveniently, that same article again fact checks the claim that illegal aliens are eligible for free or subsidized coverage under the proposed bills. Once again, independent analysis demonstrates the GOP is FOS:


OBAMA: "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally." One congressman, South Carolina Republican Joe Wilson, shouted "You lie!" from his seat in the House chamber when Obama made this assertion. Wilson later apologized.

THE FACTS: The facts back up Obama. The House version of the health care bill explicitly prohibits spending any federal money to help illegal immigrants get health care coverage. Illegal immigrants could buy private health insurance, as many do now, but wouldn't get tax subsidies to help them. Still, Republicans say there are not sufficient citizenship verification requirements to ensure illegal immigrants are excluded from benefits they are not due.
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The_Limt said:
Do you honestly believe the above post is going to somehow makeup, or take attention away, from your plaigarism?
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Once you get attacked for spelling, you know you've won, Limt ;)
 
The_Limt said:
Borderline plagiarizing again, prof? Why don't you stop pretending as if you came up with this "47 to 30" right-wing talking point all by your lonesome.

Anyone who wishes to know the true source of this wacky talking point can visit (Breaking News | Latest News | Current News - FOXNews.com) and fast forward to the fourth minute of the Video, where Frank Luntz advances his ridiculous and predictable "47 to 30" attack angle, or should I say defence of Joe Wilsons total lack of decorum.
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Actually, this topic has been discussed in plenty of sources already. The idea that it's exclusive to this random guy on Fox is crazy.

jackalope said:
I might have had a different answer. I'd suspect it's b/c he's going by the CBO numbers. They estimate the amount of formerly uninsured's each bill will cover.
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Here's the actual explanation:

What he said: There are now more than thirty million American citizens who cannot get coverage.

What he meant: I know I said as recently as last month that there 47 million uninsured, but I’m changing the baseline.

Nope, 17 million people did not just find insurance in the last month. The adjusted figure is part of the White House’s effort to distance itself from claims that health reform will cover illegal immigrants. Census figures, which will be updated Thursday, show there are 47 million uninsured – but about 10 million are illegal immigrants. Another five to seven million are people who could go on Medicaid, but have not. That leaves about 30 million that the president needs to cover under the bill. Expect to hear this number instead of the larger figure from now on, according to White House aides.
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The speech: What he said, what he meant - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

The fact that your "Factcheck" article's author failed to pick up on the difference between "people" and "citizens" doesn't inspire much confidence in the rest of his claims.
 
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The_Limt said:
You remain a petty plagiarist who makes his internet 'living' by passing off someone else's work as your own.

You get called on it, and then try to shoot the messenger.

You heavily and candidly borrowed from Luntz tonight - almost right after his views were broadcasted - and didn't give him credit.

That is about as bad as it gets.
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you're a personality whore, limit

and you're wrong, i got it off the notes i took off the speech

it went like this, you prideless poser

paraphrasing:

i am not the first prez to propose health care but i am determined to be the last

he launched straight into health care, no long intro like usual

john dingell senior in 1945 proposed a universal plan, every year the current dingell introduces the SAME bill

standing O, reds sit

we've been at this 100 years since TR

he's using his hands very energetically every sentence

we are the only wealthy democratic nation on earth to treat our people like this

i intend to provide coverage to 30 million CITIZENS currently without insurance

13000 americans lose their coverage everyday (he's been saying 14000 per day for months)

i want to talk to those that DO have insurance

you may have insurance, but i want to guarantee STABILITY and SECURITY

if you move jobs, you may lose it

you may get dropped if you're diagnosed with something

the insurer may not fully pay for what you need

someone had gallstones that weren't even diagnosed at the time, lost coverage for that reason, denied chemotherapy and died

someone had double breast cancer and something about acne caused trouble with coverage and care and the cancer got bigger

this is wrong and heartbreaking

standing O, even the reds

still talking to those WITH insurance

do you know you spend 1000 a year covering those who aren't insured?

cost increases are killing the budget, nothing else comes so close to killing our budget as health care

how?

the left wants single payer like canada (smattering of applause)

some on the right want to do away with employer provided care and have people buy for themselves (confused silence)

i want to build on what works and fix what doesn't instead of starting from scratch---standing O, led by reds

america has seen washington at its best, washington at its worst

his coalition of doctors, nurses, seniors, even insurance co's

we've got agreement on 80% of all this

dead silence in that room

disdain towards govt, scare tactics

unyielding ideological camps

for political points would rob this country of golden opportunity

(the word wasn't golden, i couldn't write fast enough)

time for bickering is over

time for games is past

season for action

standing O, peroration booms above it

now's the time

etc

the limit is a personality whore
 
jackalope said:
Here you go, your lack of caps in the end did pique my interest. The answer is, he changed from the amount of uninsured in the country to the amount of uninsured who can't get coverage:






And, conveniently, that same article again fact checks the claim that illegal aliens are eligible for free or subsidized coverage under the proposed bills. Once again, independent analysis demonstrates the GOP is FOS:
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why the pointed use of the word CITIZENS, which even mr luntz failed to note?
 
The_Limt said:
Do you honestly believe the above post is going to somehow makeup, or take attention away, from your plaigarism?
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1. it's plagiarism, not plaigarism

2. no one but you could possibly care a tittle

3. most people around here have self respect

4. i have comprehensive notes to the entire address, poser

5. would you like me to recount, line by line, the 10 minutes he devoted to the death letter by saint teddy?

LOLOLOL!
 
RightinNYC said:
Actually, this topic has been discussed in plenty of sources already. The idea that it's exclusive to this random guy on Fox is crazy.



Here's the actual explanation:



The speech: What he said, what he meant - Carrie Budoff Brown - POLITICO.com

The fact that your "Factcheck" article's author failed to pick up on the difference between "people" and "citizens" doesn't inspire much confidence in the rest of his claims.
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Actually, your girl's numbers are off. There are not 10 million uninsured illegal aliens, there are 9.3 million uninsured non-citizens per the Kaiser Commission referenced in the AP link, and of those, only 5.2 million are undocumented. The fact that your article's author failed to pick up on the difference b/w legal non-citizens and undocumented non-citizens doesn't inspire much confidence in the rest of her claims, does it? ;)

Health Coverage & the Uninsured: Profile of the Uninsured - Kaiser Family Foundation
http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7613.pdf


Either way, the clarification was to cite only those citizens who cannot get insurance.
 
The Prof said:
why the pointed use of the word CITIZENS, which even mr luntz failed to note?
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To exclude undocumented non-citizens, as Right pointed out. And the lower number was to include only those who cannot get insurance now. And, it appears Obama was correct, there are 30 million citizens who cannot get insurance.
 
Devil505 said:
I predict you will see South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson on many talk shows in the next few day.
Perhaps a censure resolution against him?
Joe Wilson - Home
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For what, he he didn't do anjything wrong hell I wish more folks in Congress would stand up and yell back at the President when he makes these little speachs. It's called using his 1st Adm rights.

I suggest you go back and read someof your History you will find this was very mild considering some of the stuff that have happen in the past in Congress.
 
akyron said:
Meh. He already apologized to the white house and issued a public apology.

His comments were highly inappropriate in that setting regardless of any "feelings" he may have had.
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In that case, I think the matter has been ended but I think the GOP will suffer some further loss of support due to it.
 
Redress said:
He could have turned water into wine and passed it out as an opener and you would have called it a parlor trick. Some people are going to criticize him no matter what...
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I see the Messiah syndrome is still an issue with lefties.
 
Devil505 said:
I think you'll see a definite rise in Obama's approval rating over the next few weeks due to this speech.
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You mean more liberals will love him?
 
American said:
You mean more liberals will love him?
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No....I think that many American voters, who have been confused by the lies the GOP & insurance giants have been vomiting all summer, now have a better understanding of what Obama's HC plan really is & will support it. This will increase Obama's approval rating & then these voters will then contact their elected reps & a real HC reform bill will finally be passed & signed into law by the end of this year.
 
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