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Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

There's the rest of Obama's cabinet level officers


The following positions have the status of Cabinet-rank:



Please read what that says HAVE but are not part of the Cabinet and they don't get to sit in on the Cabinet Meetings hance they aren't part of the Cabinet nor are they what Congress considers part of the Cabinet either.

Shall we discuss Article 2 Section II of the US Const.

I don't get what you are debating. I originally stated Cabinet level positions in my post. You then tried to claim that there are no one who were. I pointed out who was you claimed it wasn't a cabinet level then I show it was now you're saying its not apart of the cabinet when that wasn't the original topic. Again Holbrooke was a Cabinet Level Officer which is what the original statement you made was about
 
Van Jones is irrelevent. The story is already a memory. Come tomorrow, when the real fireworks begin - Obama's speech - no one will remember, let alone want to remember, Van Jones and whatever craziness he says or doesn't say.

He is nothing.

His views are nothing.

Politics is chess. And Van Jones is a pawn the king had to sacrifice, nothing more, nothing less.

This is even smaller than the Gates story.

An appointed advisor with radical racists and communist views are nothing? Please explain, your point eludes me.
 
Van Jones is irrelevent. The story is already a memory. Come tomorrow, when the real fireworks begin - Obama's speech - no one will remember, let alone want to remember, Van Jones and whatever craziness he says or doesn't say.

He is nothing.

His views are nothing.

Politics is chess. And Van Jones is a pawn the king had to sacrifice, nothing more, nothing less.

This is even smaller than the Gates story.

ridiculous

van jones reveals total lack of judgement on the part of the king

it's why he had to sacrifice the pawn

you think the hiring of jones showed good judgement?

LOLOLOL!

gates is one of the main reasons the public option is dead

why doesn't baucus believe obama?
 
Van Jones is irrelevent. The story is already a memory. Come tomorrow, when the real fireworks begin - Obama's speech - no one will remember, let alone want to remember, Van Jones and whatever craziness he says or doesn't say.

He is nothing.

His views are nothing.

Politics is chess. And Van Jones is a pawn the king had to sacrifice, nothing more, nothing less.

This is even smaller than the Gates story.

lets say your assessment is correct

Why wouldn't Obama 'weather the storm' until after his speech tomorrow night, because nobody would care about Van Jones after it? Isn't it all about chess and strategy. I can see not withstanding the ****storm for months, but a couple of days until a major speech which will put other issues on the back burner seems like a better move to protect his beloved radicals who are going to fundamentally change the fabric of america.
 
Oh and for the record Mr. Clinton's cabinet List came right from his Library website and that is the Cabinet he had both terms I copied straight like it is, hmm no mention of the UN Ambassador or the Chief of Staff as part of the Official Clinton White House Cabinet.

Again you don't seem to know Cabinet secretaries from cabinet level positions.
 
An appointed advisor with radical racists and communist views are nothing? Please explain, your point eludes me.

It is nothing, absolutely nothing.

Ask 100 Americans right now who Van Jones is, and I guarantee 9.5 out of ten Americans will have no idea who it concerns, or what the fuss is about.

As time goes on, the number of Americans who know the 'Van Jones Story' dips even lower.

And here you are trying to tell me this matters?

It does not matter.

No one cares but the right-half of the political class.

And even then, they care only until the speech tomorrow.

Don't kid yourself and don't overplay the importance of Van Jones or his wacky views.

He is nothing.

His views are nothing.

And no one cares, or wants to care who the hell he is.
 
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It is nothing, absolutely nothing.

Ask 100 Americans right now who Van Jones is, and I guarantee 9.5 out of ten Americans will have no idea who it concerns, or what the fuss is about.

As time goes on, the number of Americans who know the 'Van Jones Story' dips even lower.

And here you are trying to tell me this matters?

It does not matter.

No one cares but the right-half of the political class.

And even then, they care only until the speech tomorrow.

Don't kid yourself and don't overplay the importance of Van Jones or his wackey views.

He is nothing.

His views are nothing.

And no one cares, or wants to care who the hell he is.

So, based on your statement, due to people's ignorance and an extreme media bias the complete lack of judgement (giving obama the full benefit of the doubt that he is not promoting racist and radical agenda) on Obama's part by appointing this man is nothing...

This, my friends, is a fine example of one of the many reasons why america is heading towards a VERY bad place...
 
sure, limit, the president's role in the van jones story means nothing

simply the fact that MIKE ROSS saw it all go down is deadly direful to the president's credibility within his own delegation

i'm talking HEALTH CARE

why do you think so many DEMS are not supporting obamacare?

he has sixty senators, remember?

he has a 78 vote margin in pelosi's place?

WHY CAN'T HE GET WHAT HE WANTS?

there's lots of reasons, you can't shrink as fast as this prez has for less than lots of reasons

but a BIGGIE was gates

and van jones is HUGE

what do you think MR DURBIN thinks about mr jones?

what do you think MR CONRAD says?

are you aware of ms mccaskill's sentiments towards obamacare?

she just got her HEAD TORN OFF by her own consituents in southeast mri

you're very wrong, chin stroker

people WATCH these things

and the president FAILS the judgement test

this hurts his CREDIBILITY

why do you think his polls are down double digits in the last 3 months?

that'd be nationally, limit

across the board, everyone has lost faith in this president

but mostly, elected officials in his own party

it's cuz he APPEARS like a leader who doesn't know what he's doing

why do YOU think durbin said he'd be willing to cut the public option?

you know he's WHIP, don't you?

why did BAUCUS say, "the president is not helping"

why does conrad keep insisting to anyone in leadership who will listen, we don't have the votes, we never had the votes?

cuz mr jones and mr gates made the president look GOOD?

LOLOL!

you talk too much, limit

you really don't have a clue about american politics
 
So, based on your statement, due to people's ignorance and an extreme media bias the complete lack of judgement (giving obama the full benefit of the doubt that he is not promoting racist and radical agenda) on Obama's part by appointing this man is nothing...

This, my friends, is a fine example of one of the many reasons why america is heading towards a VERY bad place...

What kind of racist or radical agenda could Van Jones adviser on green jobs have? All green tech must be black? We call it black tech? You act as if somehow Van had a really really important job like, I don't know the head of FEMA.
 
Again you don't seem to know Cabinet secretaries from cabinet level positions.

Oh yes I do let see the Cabinet is made up of all who I listed they are also know as Sect. of what ever cabinet they are in charge of so shall we try this again which Czars is a Cabinet Position. The UN Ambassador Position is not a Cabinet Position Congress doesn't req. it as a Cabinet Position when the UN came about Truman try to have it put as one of the Actual Cabinet Position but Congress would let him because it a (Wait for it folks here it comes) AN Ambassadorial Position Congress didn't want to make all Ambassado's part of the Cabinet hence it's not part of the Cabinet the UN Amb. doesn't get to sit in on the weekly Cabinet meetings neither do any of the other so-called Cabinet Position only the one's that I list are part of the Cabinet, christ did you flunk US Gov in High School????

Also do you really want to debate the list or lets get to the larger question and that is the czars need to go there is no Check and Balance their is no over site by Congress on the Czars hence they are Un-Constitional.
 
due to people's ignorance

Not ignorance, but indifference.

I'm not for Obama, nor against Obama. I am, I strive to be, an objective observer of politics. Whether it is 'fair' or not, means nothing.

Deserve has got nothing to do with it.

This Van Jones guy is nothing.

He is a peripheral player in a vast game.
 
What kind of racist or radical agenda could Van Jones adviser on green jobs have? All green tech must be black? We call it black tech? You act as if somehow Van had a really really important job like, I don't know the head of FEMA.

Actually look at this man's speeches and public addresses and you will understand our concern...
 
Oh yes I do let see the Cabinet is made up of all who I listed they are also know as Sect. of what ever cabinet they are in charge of so shall we try this again which Czars is a Cabinet Position. The UN Ambassador Position is not a Cabinet Position Congress doesn't req. it as a Cabinet Position when the UN came about Truman try to have it put as one of the Actual Cabinet Position but Congress would let him because it a (Wait for it folks here it comes) AN Ambassadorial Position Congress didn't want to make all Ambassado's part of the Cabinet hence it's not part of the Cabinet the UN Amb. doesn't get to sit in on the weekly Cabinet meetings neither do any of the other so-called Cabinet Position only the one's that I list are part of the Cabinet, christ did you flunk US Gov in High School????

Also do you really want to debate the list or lets get to the larger question and that is the czars need to go there is no Check and Balance their is no over site by Congress on the Czars hence they are Un-Constitional.

Once again I stated cabinet level position. Once again you argued that claiming no one was. Halbrooke was a cabinet level officer who was confirmed by congress. Just admit you were wrong and we can move on. You were wrong about none of these "czar's" being confirmed and you're wrong about this. Again you don't seem to know the difference between Department, Cabinet Level Officer, Cabinet Secretary and a Cabinet level position. I already showed you the whitehouse site I showed you wikipedia. How many more links do you need. The head of FEMA used to be a Cabinet Level Officer before Bush rolled it under DHS. Again you're trying to argue something after the fact when I stated clearly from the beginning.

Which part of the Cabinet does the EPA fall under which Cabinet Secretary has sway over it? OMB? None as these are offices ran by Cabinet Level Officers something you still not seem to be able to understand the concept of
 
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Not ignorance, but indifference.

I'm not for Obama, nor against Obama. I am, I strive to be, an objective observer of politics. Whether it is 'fair' or not, means nothing.

Deserve has got nothing to do with it.

This Van Jones guy is nothing.

He is a peripheral player in a vast game.

Its hard to argue this is an issue of indifference when people aren't even informed on the issue at hand...

As an example, if people weren't aware of the holocaust it would be nothing, according to your reasoning.

(I am not comparing the current administration to Nazis, please don't criticize me for this analogy, while it is extreme, it applies and portrays my point well)
 
Actually look at this man's speeches and public addresses and you will understand our concern...

I have and nothing to be concerned about the Jones had no power. What exactly would he have "radically" been able to change.
 
Not ignorance, but indifference.

I'm not for Obama, nor against Obama. I am, I strive to be, an objective observer of politics. Whether it is 'fair' or not, means nothing.

Deserve has got nothing to do with it.

This Van Jones guy is nothing.

He is a peripheral player in a vast game.

no one cares whom you're for or against

you're nothing

just like me

van jones is bigger than you and me, but he's not that big

the prez is HUGE

and he was DUMB enough to hire van jones

ask durbin and baucus, they're important too

that's your problem limit, you don't KNOW durbin and baucus

so how much can you REALLY know?

van jones was fired on the EVE of health care

why was he dismissed at midnit?

in the middle of a holiday weekend?

LOLOL!
 
you really don't have a clue about american politics

You said the Beer photo op would not happen. That the police officer would not let Obama use him as a tool. That he would make a stand and repudiate the president by standing him up.

Yet there he was, helping the crippled professor down the stairs, and having suds with the President.

I like you prof. I enjoy reading your wacky posts.

But your biggest problem is the same it has been since I first started enjoying your zany 'shorthands.'

You're too biased towards your own views. You write for your own emotional agenda and it is obvious.

You fall in love with your own texts. It hinders any ability you may have to view events objectively, neutrally and dispassionately.

You've been saying the healthcare debate has been over, for what, two months now?

It is akin to predicting the world is going to end every day for the next 5 billion years, until the sun finally explodes, and then shouting "See, I told you I was right!"
 
no one cares whom you're for or against

you're nothing

just like me

van jones is bigger than you and me, but he's not that big

the prez is HUGE

and he was DUMB enough to hire van jones

ask durbin and baucus, they're important too

that's your problem limit, you don't KNOW durbin and baucus

so how much can you REALLY know?

van jones was fired on the EVE of health care

why was he dismissed at midnit?

in the middle of a holiday weekend?

LOLOL!

He resigned.

He wasn't fired.

Try to get your facts straight before you show off you political internet message board resume.
 
once again i stated cabinet level position. Once again you argued that claiming no one was. Halbrooke was a cabinet level officer who was confirmed by congress. Just admit you were wrong and we can move on. You were wrong about none of these "czar's" being confirmed and you're wrong about this. Again you don't seem to know the difference between department, cabinet level officer, cabinet secretary and a cabinet level position. I already showed you the whitehouse site i showed you wikipedia. How many more links do you need. The head of fema used to be a cabinet level officer before bush rolled it under dhs. Again you're trying to argue something after the fact when i stated clearly from the beginning.

Which part of the cabinet does the epa fall under which cabinet secretary has sway over it? Omb? None as these are offices ran by cabinet level officers something you still not seem to be able to understand the concept of

were they confirmed by this congress the answer is no, it doesn"t matter if they were confirmed in the past as sen. Bryd stated>
 
YOU ARE ALL MISSING THE POINT

THIS MAN WAS APPOINTED BY OUR PRESIDENT!! Someone who has vowed to protect our country and constitution APPOINTED SOMONE WHO WOULD LOVE TO TEAR THOSE THINGS DOWN!!!

Easily accessible information OVERLOOKED, assuming he even had a background check DONE!!!!

This man could have easily been an assassin bent on killing our president! Or worse!! And he would have succeeded!!

AM I TAKING CRAZY PILLS?!?!?!?!
 
were they confirmed by this congress the answer is no, it doesn"t matter if they were confirmed in the past as sen. Bryd stated>

Lol move those goalposts. You said that none had cabinet level positions and had been confirmed by the senate in the past. Now you're changing what you said. You were wrong 3 times in a row. Also cabinet level positions entail Deputy officers which are confirmed by the senate. So you were wrong about none being confirmed, wrong that none had cabinet level positions, that I don't know my US Government and now you're backtracking. This game you are playing is getting sad.
 
Lol move those goalposts. You said that none had cabinet level positions and had been confirmed by the senate in the past. Now you're changing what you said. You were wrong 3 times in a row. Also cabinet level positions entail Deputy officers which are confirmed by the senate. So you were wrong about none being confirmed, wrong that none had cabinet level positions, that I don't know my US Government and now you're backtracking. This game you are playing is getting sad.

Answer the question were they confirmed by this Congress that is what I have stated for the get go. Sorry if you can;t follow along I know it must be hard to see with those Obamaglass's on.

Also you seem to be missing my point I could care lest about the list what I have been stated all along is that the Czars need to go they are in Violation of Article 2 Section II of the US Const. do you agree or not. Checks and Balance we don't have them with the Czars. And as I have stated before I don't care who is sitting in the Oval Office the Czars are Un-Constitional.

So do you agree or not that they need to go and that in the future no such thing as a Czar can be made unless they go before Congress.
 
Answer the question were they confirmed by this Congress that is what I have stated for the get go. Sorry if you can;t follow along I know it must be hard to see with those Obamaglass's on.

Also you seem to be missing my point I could care lest about the list what I have been stated all along is that the Czars need to go they are in Violation of Article 2 Section II of the US Const. do you agree or not. Checks and Balance we don't have them with the Czars. And as I have stated before I don't care who is sitting in the Oval Office the Czars are Un-Constitional.

So do you agree or not that they need to go and that in the future no such thing as a Czar can be made unless they go before Congress.

Several of the "Czars" on your list were confirmed by this congress. You stated they weren't confirmed by congress you said it definitively and you were wrong. Obamaglasses? More partisan hackery by you. You stated information that was incorrect I called you out not once not twice but multiple times now you want to be a partisan hack.

Oh another person who is a "czar" who previously was a cabinet level officer was Carol Browner when she was Administrator of the EPA. Earl Devanney doesn't need to be reconfirmed he's been IG for the Interior Department since 1999.

These Czars you speak of have been around since the time of Andrew Jackson except they werent called Czars back then. So after all your other points fail you try to throw back on the constitution, thats nice. So you don't admit being wrong when you were wrong multiple times. I even went through your list with you. Were you complaining about this "egregious violation" when the previous president have 45 appointees? or is it just now?
 
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Several of the "Czars" on your list were confirmed by this congress. You stated they weren't confirmed by congress you said it definitively and you were wrong. Obamaglasses? More partisan hackery by you. You stated information that was incorrect I called you out not once not twice but multiple times now you want to be a partisan hack.

These Czars you speak of have been around since the time of Andrew Jackson except they werent called Czars back then. So after all your other points fail you try to throw back on the constitution, thats nice. So you don't admit being wrong when you were wrong multiple times. I even went through your list with you. Were you complaining about this "egregious violation" when the previous president have 45 appointees? or is it just now?

Wrong the first time there every were any Czars was under Mr. Reagan you want another History Lesson. I have alway been against the Czars hell I'm against the Two Party System it is in clear violation of the US Const. and the Bill of Rights.

Lets see so how many were confirmed by the Sen. and the House oh that's right noneof them were confirmed by the House were they so no the correct answer is that none of them were confirmed by this Congress. It takes both the House and Sen. to confirm a Cabinet Position.
 
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