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Obama adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy

Truth Detector said:
The FACT that you exhibit a complete lack of comprehension of what these people do and control smacks of irony when you make claims that others engage in “nuttery” talk and ideological knuckleheads.

By all means, give your head a good shake and try to wake up from the vast pool of denial you apparently are wallowing in. :2wave:
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Once again, the above post smacks of a poster with no access and no connections. You are hyper partisan, nothing more.

I may sound like a snob, but I find it incomprehensible how a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself can fall for media inspired bullsnot.

How do I know these so called "czars" are not anything like you think they are?

Simple.

I personally know some of the good people - who are your neigbours - that have been appointed, and their families.

I find it hilarious how some of you think they are "czars."

Absolutely hilarious.
 
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PogueMoran said:
Did you read the list on beck's site even he doesn't claim that all are not confirmed. Just to point this out to you:
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Apparently you are unable to keep up with events;

David Hayes, Not Haynes, nomination for Deputy Interior Secretary was blocked and successfully filibustered. Naming him as California Water Czar bypasses that process and thus proves the case of Obama operating outside of Constitutional oversight.

Cass R. Sunstein is indeed outside of the purview of the Senate and was indeed made Regulatory Czar and I can find nothing on him being confirmed for any Cabinet post. Perhaps you can provide some proof to you claim?

Earl Devaney is neither nominated nor has he been confirmed for anything. Unless you have some other credible information, this is another case of operating outside the purview of oversight.

Jeffrey Zeints is one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Performance Czar when in actuality he is Chief Performance Officer and was confirmed; one for you.

Dennis Blair is another one who was indeed confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Intelligence Czar when in actuality he is Director of National Intelligence and was confirmed; two for you.

John Holdren is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Science Czar when in actuality he is Assistant to the President for Science and Technology and was confirmed; three for you.

Herb Allison is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; four for you.

Aneesh Chopra is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; five for you.

So out of the 32 listed under Becks web site, 5 were incorrect leaving us with 27; so it begs the question, what is your point other than disagreeing with Becks classification or argument of what constitutes a “Czar”, there are still 27 plus people assigned by Obama to take significant roles in this Government outside of the oversight of the Congress and perhaps against the intent behind our Constitution and an obvious effort to circumvent normal procedures and oversight.

PogueMoran said:
Go back to page 6 I spelled it out pretty clearly
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But you listed 8 and your argument is still pleading for a purpose; what is it?

If there is any doubt about Obama's appointments, you can find them listed here:

Head Count | Tracking Obama's Appointments | The Washington Post

Here is a great article arguing what is WRONG with "Czar" appointments and why they are unconstitutional.

- Czars are unconstitutional

P.S. I think Glen copied this list from the website below:

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The_Limt said:
Once again, the above post smacks of a poster with no access and no connections. You are hyper partisan, nothing more.

I may sound like a snob, but I find it incomprehensible how a reasonably intelligent person such as yourself can fall for media inspired bullsnot.

How do I know these so called "czars" are not anything like you think they are?

Simple.

I personally know some of the good people - who are your neigbours - that have been appointed, and their families.

I find it hilarious how some of you think they are "czars."

Absolutely hilarious.
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What can one say to such tripe except; you are kidding me right?

:rofl
 
Truth Detector said:
What can one say to such tripe except; you are kidding me right?

:rofl
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What you think is irrelevent.

The truth is these people are not "czars" like some ratings hungry media personalites think they are.

Not one bit.

Why don't you email or call them, and ask for yourself?

Last time I checked, it wasn't possible to email, phone or even talk with a 'czar,' yet they are very, very accessible people.

Why? Because they are not 'czars' in the sense you're trying to make them out to be.

You are on the fringe with your hyper partisan views, and its very obvious.
 
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Truth Detector said:
Apparently you are unable to keep up with events;

David Hayes, Not Haynes, nomination for Deputy Interior Secretary was blocked and successfully filibustered. Naming him as California Water Czar bypasses that process and thus proves the case of Obama operating outside of Constitutional oversight.
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You might want to tell Glen Beck that on the link you provided even Glen says Hayes was confirmed by the senate.

David J. Hayes - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

David Hayes is the Deputy Secretary of the Interior he wasn't blocked or filibustered. Do your research.

Truth Detector said:
Cass R. Sunstein is indeed outside of the purview of the Senate and was indeed made Regulatory Czar and I can find nothing on him being confirmed for any Cabinet post. Perhaps you can provide some proof to you claim?
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Cass's appointment was blocked by Chambliss and so he has yet to be confirmed. His role is supposed to be head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs



Truth Detector said:
Earl Devaney is neither nominated nor has he been confirmed for anything. Unless you have some other credible information, this is another case of operating outside the purview of oversight.
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Incorrect Earl Devaney has been the Inspector General for the Department of the Interior since 1999. Do your research before looking foolish. Before that he was Special Agent in Charge at the Fraud Division of the Secret Service. Not a nobody as you think. He earned his position

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Jeffrey Zeints is one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Performance Czar when in actuality he is Chief Performance Officer and was confirmed; one for you.
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Hayes was confirmed thats two for me.

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Dennis Blair is another one who was indeed confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him the Intelligence Czar when in actuality he is Director of National Intelligence and was confirmed; two for you.
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Three for me
Truth Detector said:
John Holdren is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Science Czar when in actuality he is Assistant to the President for Science and Technology and was confirmed; three for you.
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4 for me

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Herb Allison is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; four for you.
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Truth Detector said:
Aneesh Chopra is another one who was confirmed and Beck incorrectly calls him Tarp Czar when in actuality he is Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability and was confirmed; five for you.
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Truth Detector said:
So out of the 32 listed under Becks web site, 5 were incorrect leaving us with 27; so it begs the question, what is your point other than disagreeing with Becks classification or argument of what constitutes a “Czar”, there are still 27 plus people assigned by Obama to take significant roles in this Government outside of the oversight of the Congress and perhaps against the intent behind our Constitution and an obvious effort to circumvent normal procedures and oversight.
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You stated that none of these "czars" deserved their jobs, were unconfirmed or accountable. That was a lie on its face and was disproven. Also if you researched most of these people they have a pretty extensive resume and a background. But hell they're not head of the arabian horse association so you have a problem with them.
 
PogueMoran said:
Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate. Also several have served in posts where they were previously confirmed. How about you do your research on everyone on those lists
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No there not, not a single one of the Czars are part of the Cabinet here is the Cabinet,

Vice President of the United States
Joseph R. Biden

Department of State
Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton

Department of the Treasury
Secretary Timothy F. Geithner

Department of Defense
Secretary Robert M. Gates

Department of Justice
Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr.

Department of the Interior
Secretary Kenneth L. Salazar


Department of Agriculture
Secretary Thomas J. Vilsack

Department of Commerce
Secretary Gary F. Locke

Department of Labor
Secretary Hilda L. Solis

Department of Health and Human Services
Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

Department of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary Shaun L.S. Donovan

Department of Transportation
Secretary Raymond L. LaHood

Department of Energy
Secretary Steven Chu

Department of Education
Secretary Arne Duncan

Department of Veterans Affairs
Secretary Eric K. Shinseki

Department of Homeland Security
Secretary Janet A. Napolitano

So there you have it now which one is also a Czar it shouldn't be that hard to point it out compare list and match any names oh wait that's right none of the Czars names match the Cabinet names because unlike the US Cabinet wich is required by the US Const. to be confirmed the Czars aren't.

Oh and one other little fact not a single Czar was a former Cabinet Member yes allot of them held position in other Adm. but none of them were actual Cabinet Members.
 
formerroadie said:
Another man's job ruined by the right. He renounced these ideas before he was hired and the right decided to destroy his job, reputation, and livelihood. I have never seen anything like the political atmosphere the Right is creating right now. The Clinton years were ridiculous, but this is like that on steroids. What gives? Throw all rationality, facts, and sanity out the door because you lost? Argh. Whether in power or out of power, the right continues to make Americans look very very stupid.
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He was a Truther and a communist...HELLO!?
 
JakeFromWI said:
That's amazing. A politician does something clearly against anyone's idea of ethics and he is exposed and resigns.
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He is a 9/11 TRUTHER and a COMMUNIST. You don't see a problem with that? Seriously!?
 
Ethereal said:
He is a 9/11 TRUTHER and a COMMUNIST. You don't see a problem with that? Seriously!?
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Truther is, to me understanding, debatable. Communist is past tense.
 
Redress said:
Truther is, to me understanding, debatable. Communist is past tense.
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He signed a petititon which implicates the government in 9/11, therefore a truther. When did he stop being a communist? After he got caught?
 
PogueMoran said:
You stated that none of these "czars" deserved their jobs, were unconfirmed or accountable. That was a lie on its face and was disproven. Also if you researched most of these people they have a pretty extensive resume and a background. But hell they're not head of the arabian horse association so you have a problem with them.
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I see that reading comprehension is not high on your things to do list either; I stated clearly:

All of the people on that list who were appointed by Obama as "Czars" are clearly unaccountable to the American people as there is no Senate oversight on their appointments.

I look forward to seeing who on that list was an actual Cabinet member that was confirmed by the Senate.

Good lord, dude, debating someone who cannot even comprehend what is being typed is an exercise in futility. You may want to respond to Scorpions comments however.
 
Ethereal said:
He signed a petititon which implicates the government in 9/11, therefore a truther. When did he stop being a communist? After he got caught?
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And at least 3 others are claiming that they where misled into signing it, as is Jones. Not saying he did not sign it, saying that there is some evidence that he did not intend to sign what he signed, if you follow. I see no proof, or even strong evidence, that he stopped being a communist because he was "caught".

I am not saying he is a good guy, I really don't know. I do know that he has, at the very least, made some big mistakes, but I think we are polarizing the whole thing, making it an extreme, when I don't see the evidence that he currently is that extreme.
 
Scorpion89 said:
No there not, not a single one of the Czars are part of the Cabinet here is the Cabinet,

Vice President of the United States
Joseph R. Biden

Department of State
Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton

Department of the Treasury
Secretary Timothy F. Geithner

Department of Defense
Secretary Robert M. Gates

Department of Justice
Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr.

Department of the Interior
Secretary Kenneth L. Salazar


Department of Agriculture
Secretary Thomas J. Vilsack

Department of Commerce
Secretary Gary F. Locke

Department of Labor
Secretary Hilda L. Solis

Department of Health and Human Services
Secretary Kathleen Sebelius

Department of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary Shaun L.S. Donovan

Department of Transportation
Secretary Raymond L. LaHood

Department of Energy
Secretary Steven Chu

Department of Education
Secretary Arne Duncan

Department of Veterans Affairs
Secretary Eric K. Shinseki

Department of Homeland Security
Secretary Janet A. Napolitano

So there you have it now which one is also a Czar it shouldn't be that hard to point it out compare list and match any names oh wait that's right none of the Czars names match the Cabinet names because unlike the US Cabinet wich is required by the US Const. to be confirmed the Czars aren't.

Oh and one other little fact not a single Czar was a former Cabinet Member yes allot of them held position in other Adm. but none of them were actual Cabinet Members.
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Most of the czar's you speak of dont directly work for the president but instead for those individual departments. So once again Scorpion your list is flawed as those are positions within the departments and had people who actually were confirmed. Richard Holbrooke was cabinet level under Clinton when he was Ambassador to the UN. Also some of the cabinet positions that existed under Clinton didn't exist under Bush so that's probably why you forgot about the former Ambassador to the UN being confirmed. So again do your research scorpion
 
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Truth Detector said:
I see that reading comprehension is not high on your things to do list either; I stated clearly:

All of the people on that list who were appointed by Obama as "Czars" are clearly unaccountable to the American people as there is no Senate oversight on their appointments.

I look forward to seeing who on that list was an actual Cabinet member that was confirmed by the Senate.

Good lord, dude, debating someone who cannot even comprehend what is being typed is an exercise in futility. You may want to respond to Scorpions comments however.
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According to your list and Glen Beck all those on your list were appointed by Obama as being Czars. So again I stated your list was incorrect. That's why I asked you about it before you made such a blanked statement. So are you saying the list you posted was in error and you didn't know what you were saying before you said it?

Keep moving the Goal posts.
Holbrooke used to be Ambassador to the UN which was a Cabinet position under Clinton he was confirmed. I agree debating you who has a simple comprehension problem and doesn't do their research before posting gets pretty annoying. Think before you post next time troof
 
PogueMoran said:
Most of the czar's you speak of dont directly work for the president but instead for those individual departments. So once again Scorpion your list is flawed as those are positions within the departments and had people who actually were confirmed. Richard Holbrooke was cabinet level under Clinton when he was Ambassador to the UN. Also some of the cabinet positions that existed under Clinton didn't exist under Bush so that's probably why you forgot about the former Ambassador to the UN being confirmed. So again do your research scorpion
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Is this not what you wrote,

Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate.

So once again what part of the list I just put up of this Cabinet which we are talking about do any of the Czars hold or which Cabinet Person is a Czar.

Oh and for the record the only Cabinet Position that wasn't under Mr. Clinton was Homeland Security. As for Mr. Clinton's Cabinet here it is,


Secretary of State
Warren M. Christopher
1993-97
Madeleine Albright
1997-01
Secretary of the Treasury
Lloyd Bentsen
1993-94
Robert E. Rubin
1995-99
Lawrence H. Summers
1999-01
Secretary of Defense
Les Aspin
1993-94
William J. Perry
1994-97
William S. Cohen
1997-01
Attorney General
Janet Reno
1993-01
Secretary of the Interior
Bruce Babbitt
1993-01
Secretary of Agriculture
Mike Espy
1993-95
Dan Glickman
1995-01
Secretary of Commerce
Ronald H. Brown
1993-96
Mickey Kantor
1996-97
William M. Daley
1997-00
Norman Y. Mineta
2000-01
Secretary of Labor
Robert B. Reich
1993-97
Alexis Herman
1997-01
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Donna E. Shalala
1993-01
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Henry G. Cisneros
1993-97
Andrew M. Cuomo
1997-01
Secretary of Transportation
Federico F. Peña
1993-97
Rodney Slater
1997-01
Secretary of Energy
Hazel R. O'Leary
1993-97
Frederico F. Peña
1997-98
Bill Richardson
1998-01
Secretary of Education
Richard W. Riley
1993-01
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs
Jesse Brown
1993-98
Togo D. West Jr.
1998-00

So shall we try this again, oh and for the record while the UN Ambassador is confirmed by Congress it still isn't a Cabinet Position and the UN Amb. doesn't sit in on the Cabinet Meetings. Nice try keep swinging you might get a hit soon.
 
PogueMoran said:
Holbrooke used to be Ambassador to the UN which was a Cabinet position under Clinton he was confirmed.
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No it wasn't see list above the UN Ambassador is not a Cabinet Position it's has never been.
 
Scorpion89 said:
Is this not what you wrote,

Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
Quite a few of those on the list are cabinet level position which have been confirmed by the senate.

So once again what part of the list I just put up of this Cabinet which we are talking about do any of the Czars hold or which Cabinet Person is a Czar.

Oh and for the record the only Cabinet Position that wasn't under Mr. Clinton was Homeland Security. As for Mr. Clinton's Cabinet here it is,


Secretary of State
Warren M. Christopher
1993-97
Madeleine Albright
1997-01
Secretary of the Treasury
Lloyd Bentsen
1993-94
Robert E. Rubin
1995-99
Lawrence H. Summers
1999-01
Secretary of Defense
Les Aspin
1993-94
William J. Perry
1994-97
William S. Cohen
1997-01
Attorney General
Janet Reno
1993-01
Secretary of the Interior
Bruce Babbitt
1993-01
Secretary of Agriculture
Mike Espy
1993-95
Dan Glickman
1995-01
Secretary of Commerce
Ronald H. Brown
1993-96
Mickey Kantor
1996-97
William M. Daley
1997-00
Norman Y. Mineta
2000-01
Secretary of Labor
Robert B. Reich
1993-97
Alexis Herman
1997-01
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Donna E. Shalala
1993-01
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Henry G. Cisneros
1993-97
Andrew M. Cuomo
1997-01
Secretary of Transportation
Federico F. Peña
1993-97
Rodney Slater
1997-01
Secretary of Energy
Hazel R. O'Leary
1993-97
Frederico F. Peña
1997-98
Bill Richardson
1998-01
Secretary of Education
Richard W. Riley
1993-01
Secretary of Veterans' Affairs
Jesse Brown
1993-98
Togo D. West Jr.
1998-00

So shall we try this again, oh and for the record while the UN Ambassador is confirmed by Congress it still isn't a Cabinet Position and the UN Amb. doesn't sit in on the Cabinet Meetings. Nice try keep swinging you might get a hit soon.
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Wasn't your original post that none of these "czars" were confirmed by the senate and yet I showed many had been. Also the UN Ambassador was a Cabinet Level Officer under Clinton and is again under Obama so yes Holbrooke was confirmed by Congress. Didn't you say no one on the list was cabinet level and hadn't been confirmed? So I just showed you you were wrong three times in a row. Cabinet level positions are those working under various cabinets and not directly for the president.
 
Scorpion89 said:
No it wasn't see list above the UN Ambassador is not a Cabinet Position it's has never been.
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Under Clinton and Obama it is a cabinet level officer.

From wiki:

"It was a cabinet-level position under the Clinton administration and is under the Obama administration as well"

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Ambassador_to_the_United_Nations]United States Ambassador to the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

I love how you cut off the rest of the list because it doesn't conform to your position

There's the rest of Obama's cabinet level officers


The following positions have the status of Cabinet-rank:

Council of Economic Advisers
Chair Christina Romer
Council of Economic Advisers

Environmental Protection Agency
Administrator Lisa P. Jackson
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

Office of Management & Budget
Director Peter R. Orszag
Welcome to the Office of Management and Budget

United States Trade Representative
Ambassador Ronald Kirk
Office of the United States Trade Representative

United States Ambassador to the United Nations
Ambassador Susan Rice
http://www.usunnewyork.usmission.gov/

White House Chief of Staff
Rahm I. Emanuel
 
The_Limt said:
As usual, posters bring their ideology when it is not needed.

The fact there exist thirty-something czars tells the objective observer these people have absolutely no power.

Give your heads a good shake and wake me up one there is one czar controlling the land of the free and home of the brave.

Until then, all this nuttery talk about this czar and that czar is just that - crazy opinions from ideological knuckleheads.
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ideology?

objective observers?

LOLOL!

the existence of 30 czars indicates they're individually powerless, hrmph

separation of powers, y'know

LOLOL!

it's not about POWER, silly limit

it's P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S

van jones is a TRUTHER, chin stroker

he's on record blaming "white polluters" for poisoning "people of color communities"

he sees COLUMBINE as typically HONKY

LOLOLOL!

and MR DEEP THOUGHT in the quote box above tells the erudite elites of dp.com---jones has no POWER

so everything's OKAY!

LOLOLOL!

why, MISTER JONES is no LOSER, alleges limit

no problem for the WHITE HOUSE, he cogitates

POLITICALLY speaking, van jones is ROSES

LOL!

because he has NO POWER

you don't often think 2 moves ahead, do you, rodin?

how 'bout the powerless science guy who writes a textbook pushing FORCED STERILIZATION?

and the "regulatory" "adviser" who wants to BAN HUNTING and give ANIMALS the RIGHT to SUE their OWNERS?

LOLOLOL!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

sure, friend, all that matters in american politics is REAL power

why, you can SAY just about anything you want down here in the states

so long as there's never an ACTION to back it up

yes, i've been watching this stuff go down for decades

and you're absolutely right, limit, that's exactly the way it WORKS

LOLOLOL!

nice to SEE you again

you never answered my questions last month
 
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I will only be happy and feel any sense of closure if Obama will publicly explain why and how this man was allowed to be appointed to a position in the white house...
 
van jones is NOT over

the president owes all right thinking, normal minded americans an explanation

how could such a whack-job as jones ever be appointed to any white house job?

even if it's intrinsically powerless---LOLOL!

also, holden

also, sunstein

politics aside, explanations are required

van jones is NOT over

actually, it's just BEGINNING
 
PogueMoran said:
There's the rest of Obama's cabinet level officers


The following positions have the status of Cabinet-rank:



Please read what that says HAVE but are not part of the Cabinet and they don't get to sit in on the Cabinet Meetings hance they aren't part of the Cabinet nor are they what Congress considers part of the Cabinet either.

Shall we discuss Article 2 Section II of the US Const.
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PogueMoran said:
Wasn't your original post that none of these "czars" were confirmed by the senate and yet I showed many had been. Also the UN Ambassador was a Cabinet Level Officer under Clinton and is again under Obama so yes Holbrooke was confirmed by Congress. Didn't you say no one on the list was cabinet level and hadn't been confirmed? So I just showed you you were wrong three times in a row. Cabinet level positions are those working under various cabinets and not directly for the president.
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Were they confirmed by this Congress yes or no I think the answer is No hence going back to what I have been saying all along that all the Czars need to go there is no Check and Balance. As I have already stated that I don't care who is in the White house the Czars need to go. When Sen. Byrd starts question why there are so many and that he thinks it going around the US Const. don't you think it's time for the rest of Congress to starv asking the same question.
 
Oh and for the record Mr. Clinton's cabinet List came right from his Library website and that is the Cabinet he had both terms I copied straight like it is, hmm no mention of the UN Ambassador or the Chief of Staff as part of the Official Clinton White House Cabinet.
 
The Prof said:
ideology?

objective observers?

LOLOL!

the existence of 30 czars indicates they're individually powerless, hrmph

separation of powers, y'know

LOLOL!

it's not about POWER, silly limit

it's P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S

van jones is a TRUTHER, chin stroker

he's on record blaming "white polluters" for poisoning "people of color communities"

he sees COLUMBINE as typically HONKY

LOLOLOL!

and MR DEEP THOUGHT in the quote box above tells the erudite elites of dp.com---jones has no POWER

so everything's OKAY!

LOLOLOL!

why, MISTER JONES is no LOSER, alleges limit

no problem for the WHITE HOUSE, he cogitates

POLITICALLY speaking, van jones is ROSES

LOL!

because he has NO POWER

you don't often think 2 moves ahead, do you, rodin?

how 'bout the powerless science guy who writes a textbook pushing FORCED STERILIZATION?

and the "regulatory" "adviser" who wants to BAN HUNTING and give ANIMALS the RIGHT to SUE their OWNERS?

LOLOLOL!

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

sure, friend, all that matters in american politics is REAL power

why, you can SAY just about anything you want down here in the states

so long as there's never an ACTION to back it up

yes, i've been watching this stuff go down for decades

and you're absolutely right, limit, that's exactly the way it WORKS

LOLOLOL!

nice to SEE you again

you never answered my questions last month
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Van Jones is irrelevent. The story is already a memory. Come tomorrow, when the real fireworks begin - Obama's speech - no one will remember, let alone want to remember, Van Jones and whatever craziness he says or doesn't say.

He is nothing.

His views are nothing.

Politics is chess. And Van Jones is a pawn the king had to sacrifice, nothing more, nothing less.

This is even smaller than the Gates story.
 
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