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S.J. couple hopes their poster inspires county’s students

SouthernDemocrat said:
What??? I am accusing no one of being communist. I am merely pointing out the dangers of creating a cult of personality around a sitting president. If you start using the president's glorified image to promote education in public schools, then you open the door for future presidents to use their image in public schools for more political purposes.
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There ain't much you and I agree on, but we're definitely on the same sheet of music on this issue.
 
apdst said:
When a national leaders sees fit to indoctrinate children it rarely has a happy ending.
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Come up with something original. :)

Also, this is not Obama seeking to use his glorified image to indoctrinate children. Its a political group using his glorified image in an attempt to reduce drop outs in inner city schools. Its not comparable to Nazi propaganda, but it certainly opens the door to cult of personality indoctrination.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
What??? I am accusing no one of being communist. I am merely pointing out the dangers of creating a cult of personality around a sitting president. If you start using the president's glorified image to promote education in public schools, then you open the door for future presidents to use their image in public schools for more political purposes.
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I hope that you are wrong ! Yet I can imagine the Palin Puke doing a poster showing a pregnant girl and saying " Just Say No " superimposed on top of an image of the Igloo herself !!!!
 
RightinNYC said:
Does anyone else find this troubling? I don't want a poster of any politician being placed throughout public schools. This is an ad created by democrats and funded by liberal advocacy groups that is being given free space in public schools. Ridiculous.
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He's a sitting President. Most federal building have his picture somewhere on the wall.

I get that you may disagree with his policies, but if you can't respect him as our President, your president--then you don't respect our system of government its democratic elections.

Too me--the poster says one thing: STAY IN SCHOOL, STUDY HARD, AND ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. -- You have a problem with that?

Young people should be taught to respect the President--agree or disagree. That goes along with respecting authority. When they get into high school and college and take some classed on history, poli sci--hopefully, they form their own opinions and not just adopt those of their parents.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Come up with something original. :)

Also, this is not Obama seeking to use his glorified image to indoctrinate children. Its a political group using his glorified image in an attempt to reduce drop outs in inner city schools. Its not comparable to Nazi propaganda, but it certainly opens the door to cult of personality indoctrination.
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So, the nationwide speech next week isn't an attempt to indoctrinate children? The poster in the OP is a build up to that very speech. WTF?

Nazisim was a cult of personality indoctrination, just like it was for Stalin. I mean, hell, the political prisoners that Stalin sent to the Gulags actually wept when Stalin died.
 
RightinNYC said:
Does anyone else find this troubling? I don't want a poster of any politician being placed throughout public schools. This is an ad created by democrats and funded by liberal advocacy groups that is being given free space in public schools. Ridiculous.
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I don't really see anything wrong with it. It's not like dropping out of school is a big partisan issue. That quote could have just as easily come from a Republican. If Obama is someone that students respect, then it makes sense to have his picture and quote on the poster.
 
Somehow I survived all the pictures of Kennedy with the "ask not what your country can do" quote.

Of course, I have to admit that there were more people loyal to their country rather than just loyal to their party back then.
 
Gardener said:
Somehow I survived all the pictures of Kennedy with the "ask not what your country can do" quote.

Of course, I have to admit that there were more people loyal to their country rather than just loyal to their party back then.
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I might not disagree with something like the poster, maybe not even the speech, except PBO is in a disasterous and desperate period and will do anything to push his agenda.
 
Gardener said:
Somehow I survived all the pictures of Kennedy with the "ask not what your country can do" quote.

Of course, I have to admit that there were more people loyal to their country rather than just loyal to their party back then.
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Sometimes you come up with the most incredibly well said and perfectly timed posts.

Very nicely served, Gardener.
 
hazlnut said:
He's a sitting President. Most federal building have his picture somewhere on the wall.

I get that you may disagree with his policies, but if you can't respect him as our President, your president--then you don't respect our system of government its democratic elections.

Too me--the poster says one thing: STAY IN SCHOOL, STUDY HARD, AND ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE. -- You have a problem with that?

Young people should be taught to respect the President--agree or disagree. That goes along with respecting authority. When they get into high school and college and take some classed on history, poli sci--hopefully, they form their own opinions and not just adopt those of their parents.
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Again, it has nothing to do with "respecting" the office of the president - it has to do with the fact that it's a partisan-ized image sponsored by a political advocacy group. I do respect Obama, quite a lot, both in his office as president and as a person. Don't try that "opposing this action means you hate America" crap on me.

Again, if conservative groups had been putting up similarly stylized posters of Bush with trite quotes about staying in school, avoiding drugs, serving the country, etc. it would have been (rightly) criticized as an inappropriate insertion of partisan material into the public school system.

The fact that he was the president doesn't mean that it's automatically okay.
 
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RightinNYC said:
Again, if conservative groups had been putting up similarly stylized posters of Bush with trite quotes about staying in school, avoiding drugs, serving the country, etc. it would have been (rightly) criticized as an inappropriate insertion of partisan material into the public school system.

The fact that he was the president doesn't mean that it's automatically okay.
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I wouldn't have a problem of a poster of Bush saying something nice about education...I might question the marketing as I don't think many young people respect Bush, but I would hardly think it was politicizing it.

The quote makes a reasonable point, and Obama is (presumably) someone who most kids respect. I don't see what the problem is. Surely you wouldn't object if it was some historical political figure instead of a contemporary? I don't see what the difference is, except that there aren't as many passionate opponents today of, say, John Adams as there are of Barack Obama.
 
Kandahar said:
I wouldn't have a problem of a poster of Bush saying something nice about education...I might question the marketing as I don't think many young people respect Bush, but I would hardly think it was politicizing it.
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I would see it as a thinly-veiled attempt to improve Bush's image.

The quote makes a reasonable point, and Obama is (presumably) someone who most kids respect. I don't see what the problem is. Surely you wouldn't object if it was some historical political figure instead of a contemporary? I don't see what the difference is, except that there aren't as many passionate opponents today of, say, John Adams as there are of Barack Obama.
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That difference itself is enough, IMO - a John Adams quote is (generally) neither controversial nor subject to questions of motive.
 
Obama said:
Dropping out of school. .it’s not quitting on yourself, it’s quitting on your country,
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but remember I am standing for you, I will give you free health insurance, subsidized housing and food stamps, so you are my hero.
 
Kandahar said:
I wouldn't have a problem of a poster of Bush saying something nice about education...I might question the marketing as I don't think many young people respect Bush, but I would hardly think it was politicizing it.

The quote makes a reasonable point, and Obama is (presumably) someone who most kids respect. I don't see what the problem is. Surely you wouldn't object if it was some historical political figure instead of a contemporary? I don't see what the difference is, except that there aren't as many passionate opponents today of, say, John Adams as there are of Barack Obama.
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John Adams isn't going to be up for re-election. Barack Obama is.

To put Obama on the same level as Adams is propaganda and is clearly meant for improving his image at a time when that actually makes a difference in what policies the country pursues, and for helping him get re-elected.
 
RightinNYC said:
That difference itself is enough, IMO - a John Adams quote is (generally) neither controversial nor subject to questions of motive.
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What part of encouraging young people to not drop out of school is controversial?
 
Redress said:
What part of encouraging young people to not drop out of school is controversial?
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I think it has more to do with superimposing an American flag on Obama's face.
 
Redress said:
What part of encouraging young people to not drop out of school is controversial?
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If you want to put the quote up there with other quotes about the importance of education, that's one thing. It's when you're designing flyers that look like campaign posters and are paid for by political groups that it becomes a problem IMO.
 
RightinNYC said:
If you want to put the quote up there with other quotes about the importance of education, that's one thing. It's when you're designing flyers that look like campaign posters and are paid for by political groups that it becomes a problem IMO.
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I understand why you don't like it, but I can't agree with it. It just does not seem like a big deal to me, and I like the idea of using the presidency to promote education.
 
RightinNYC said:
Customary where? I've never heard of such a thing. Furthermore, don't you see a difference between a picture of the president being posted regardless of party and a campaign ad being posted for a favored official?
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Maybe it was before your time.
As it has been a little while since I attended public schools I cant really speak to it's more modern prevalence.

Check old movies for pictures of the presidents. They aren't that hard to find. Usually running around the room toward the top of the walls, iirc.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Maybe it was before your time.
As it has been a little while since I attended public schools I cant really speak to it's more modern prevalence.

Check old movies for pictures of the presidents. They aren't that hard to find. Usually running around the room toward the top of the walls, iirc.
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Say this is China in 1962, which do you think as someone that values freedom is more acceptable to be hanging in a class room:

This simple portrait of Mao:

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Or this propaganda poster:

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I don't think that reasonable people have a problem with the portrait of a sitting president being displayed in a classroom, but I do think that many people take issue with a propaganda poster glorifying the image of a sitting president to be displayed in a classroom.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
I think this is an empty hullabaloo about nothing.

The people protesting it are giving it way more energy and 'legs' than it actually deserves.
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Well thats probably true as well. :)
 
Redress said:
What part of encouraging young people to not drop out of school is controversial?
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Actually, I don't even want the thought planted in a bunch of 4th graders (my kid's class) that some day they could drop out of school. At this age, they're not even thinking about it. So it's pointless and a waste of school time IMO.
 
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