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U.S. moves toward formal cut off of aid to Honduras

Such claims are of course as baseless as claims of the democratic nature of Zelaya's removal. However, I'd suggest starting a separate thread about Chavez if you insist on speaking of him, though I'd also recommend reading this first.

A socialist magazine sings praises for a socialist dictator.

I'm shocked. :roll:
 
A socialist magazine sings praises for a socialist dictator.

I'm shocked. :roll:

Congratulations on your first logical fallacy in this thread, known as the argumentum ad hominem! I'll assume that your attack on Hahnel (who is a libertarian socialist, incidentally) and the respective publication involved represents an inability to actually provide sound counter-arguments to the actual contents of the article. Moving on...:2wave:
 
Congratulations on your first logical fallacy in this thread, known as the argumentum ad hominem! I'll assume that your attack on Hahnel (who is a libertarian socialist, incidentally) and the respective publication involved represents an inability to actually provide sound counter-arguments to the actual contents of the article. Moving on...:2wave:

Great. The next time you post a comment, I'll refute it with Limbaugh, Hannity, FoxNews, or any of the host of others that get laughed at by you libs.

I'd move on too if this was the best source I could come up with.
 
Great. The next time you post a comment, I'll refute it with Limbaugh, Hannity, FoxNews, or any of the host of others that get laughed at by you libs.

"Lib"? I'm an anarchist. Have you been asleep or something? :2wave:

I'd move on too if this was the best source I could come up with.

You probably should move on, given that you obviously have no interest in validating your comment or providing counter-arguments to the claims advanced in the source I linked to.
 
"Lib"? I'm an anarchist. Have you been asleep or something? :2wave:

Does that mean you are for the overthrow of Chavez, since you seem to hate all government so much?

You probably should move on, given that you obviously have no interest in validating your comment or providing counter-arguments to the claims advanced in the source I linked to.



counter-arguments against a socialist magazine?

I have much better uses of my time.

It would be like arguing with a three year old.
 
Does that mean you are for the overthrow of Chavez, since you seem to hate all government so much?

If his overthrow would facilitate the development of anarchism, I would be. However, considering the traditional dominance of authoritarian and corrupt rightist regimes through the region, I'd instead hold that his brand of Bolivarian socialism is preferable to the existing alternatives since it incorporates decentralized management by labor cooperatives.

It would be like arguing with a three year old.

I doubt it, since I don't believe they'd spend much time responding. It would instead be like a three-year old throwing a tantrum and being ignored. :shrug:

That said, I'm not surprised to see a continued lack of support for your baseless statements in this thread, not that they had any relevance to the topic at hand anyway.
 
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That said, I'm not surprised to see a continued lack of support for your baseless statements in this thread, not that they had any relevance to the topic at hand anyway.

And yet you felt compelled to respond didn't you?
 
Well, if misconceptions about Chavez among deluded rightists are so pervasive that they leak into threads unrelated to him, that's obviously a problem in need of correction. :shrug:

Yeah, Chavez is just a sweetheart that treats even those that oppose him with fairness and dignity. :roll:
 
Yeah, Chavez is just a sweetheart that treats even those that oppose him with fairness and dignity. :roll:

Well, in light of the fact that open endorsement of the violent removal of a sitting head of state that resulted in his detainment for 48 hours would probably earn U.S. journalists prison time, permission to continue operating for five years without reaction seems rather tame in comparison. :shrug:
 
Yeah, Chavez is just a sweetheart that treats even those that oppose him with fairness and dignity. :roll:

He provides free energy to the poor on the East Coast of the USA and to the poor in his country. Something Bush tried to end because it would make him look toooooo good...
 
Hahnel does elaborate on the fact that opposition to Chavez and Bolivarian socialism typically (though obviously not exclusively) stems from members of an elite class, describing a standard Venezuelan opponent as "a middle-aged white man who appeared to be the wealthiest person in his community and was active in an opposition political party."
 
He provides free energy to the poor on the East Coast of the USA and to the poor in his country. Something Bush tried to end because it would make him look toooooo good...
Yeah, that was a nice bit of propaganda, until the price of oil came down and he couldn't afford to continue.
 
Yeah, that was a nice bit of propaganda, until the price of oil came down and he couldn't afford to continue.

Propaganda maybe, but when the price of oil was high, you didn't see Saudi or US oil corporations doing that "just because they could afford it" as you imply.
 
Propaganda maybe, but when the price of oil was high, you didn't see Saudi or US oil corporations doing that "just because they could afford it" as you imply.

No more comments on ocean heat content? I was hoping for a long discussion, since you claim to believe so much in science.
 
Yea that 0.1% of GDP is really hurting aint it? And the fact that US aid has fallen in % of GDP by over half the last 10 years dont matter either right?

But where should you start.....

I'd start just to the East of the US. and work my way around until I was just to the West of US.
 
Okay, the US spends about 24 billion a year.. a third of that goes too 2 countries.. Israel and Egypt. If you add Colombia and Pakistan then those 4 countries make up about half the spending.

So are you sure you want to get rid of the aid.. I mean it is only 24 billion.. In the whole cutting spending wheel.. where do you think you can get more money.. cutting aid, or cutting earmarks and other pork?

What do you think the chances are of getting Washington to cut the pork, in this "no more earmarks" administration?
 
I don't think you can defend the coup in Honduras and claim that you support the rule of law. Honduras' constitution specifically forbids the exile of its citizens. The method of exile for a standing president violated both the spirit and letter of the law. Honduras has a constitutional procedure to impeach presidents. This procedure was not followed and the rule of law was abandoned. Surely you are not arguing for the selective enforcement of the constitution?

Works in this country... in fact it has for the last 100+ years or so.
 
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