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Rep. Jenkins: GOP looking for "great white hope"

apdst said:
What's even funnier is the flamebait being posted by a mod.
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Asking you to substantiate your posts is SOP, not flamebait. Being held accountable to reasonably support your views with evidence is normal on a debate forum.

:roll:
 
The_Limt said:
It appears, on the other side, you have those who do not think it exists and require "proof" to substantiate the claim.

:rofl
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Ummm, yeah. That's kinda how a debate works. No...wait. Yeah, that's exactly how a debate works.:doh
 
This was a highspeed thread, before the flame baiting and personal attacks started.
 
apdst said:
This was a highspeed thread, before the flame baiting and personal attacks started.
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The only one guilty of personally insulting people is jallman.

The conduct of everyone else has been exemplary.
 
Laila said:
You made the claim. You support it with evidence. The onus is not on me but you to back your assertions.

I was even kind enough to say i would accept a wikipedia source
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I will not do your homework for you.

Period.

It is not my business, nor my job to educate you.
 
apdst said:
What's even funnier is the flamebait being posted by a mod.
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Where in the world are you getting that I flamed you? The entire post was focused on your point and argument, which was poorly put together.
 
The_Limt said:
What exactly is your role in this thread then?

You're not involved in the discussion and you're not sharing any insights.

You're only purpose is to hurl personal punches my way.

That is the only conclusion I can make regarding your participation.

I do not trade words with people who come in here for the sole purpose of launching personal shots at others.

Do not bother to respond. My discussion with you is over as it is more than likely you will respond with vacuous insults.

Not worth the time, not worth the effort.
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A) I will respond whenever I damned well feel like it.

B) You need to learn the difference between a request that you support your claims and a personal insult. Ask anyone around here...if I insult you, there will be no question that it was definitely an insult.

Now, would you like to finally substantiate your claims about "socialist" being code for "the n word". Because we don't move forward until that happens.
 
The_Limt said:
The only one guilty of personally insulting people is jallman.

The conduct of everyone else has been exemplary.
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How, exactly, have you been insulted personally? Asking you to substantiate your claims?

Hey, apdst, you were asked to substantiate your claims. Do you feel personally insulted by that?
 
The_Limt said:
Do you realize you, unintentionally, supported my argument in the above post?

You correctly summarized my argument that "some" of Obama's detractors are using code language to call him the N word. I go on to state it is my judgement call to make.

Yet in your next paragraph you state that "we have posters who state that Obama isn't being called a communist because he's black."

You're saying that they are not interpreting my claim correctly as they are confusing "some" with "every person" who calls Obama a socialist, communist, fascist etc.

Even though I'm sure you did not mean to agree with me and illustrate their misinterpretations of my argument, I thank you nontheless.
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And I will say again, every post of yours on the first page and almost all on the second that talked about this did not have a SINGLE numerical qualifier but was simply "those saying he's a socialist, fascist....etc". Not "some", not "Most", not "A minority", just "those".

It wasn't until you were called out on it that you said "Some". Yet some is a hugely ambiguous number "2" could be sum and yes, I'm not confident enough to say that there's not two jerkass idiots out there that went "hur hur hur, hey billy, lets call Obama a 'communist' but really, we mean nigger, hur hur hur". However "Some" could also mean 99.9% of those that are calling him it are doing it to secretly call him a nigger.

So, for a third time, I will ask you, do you believe it is small minority, a large minority, about half and half, a small majority, or a large majority of people that are calling him those names that are doing it because they want to "secretly" call him a nigger?
 
Zyphlin said:
Where in the world are you getting that I flamed you? The entire post was focused on your point and argument, which was poorly put together.
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I didn't say you flamed me. I called it, "flame baiting".
 
Catz Part Deux said:
You mean, like the inappropriate and insulting generalizations about liberals? :fueltofir
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Didn't hear you crying about the accusations of racism earlier in the thread.
 
Also, seriously, if people are calling him a communist or socialist to secretly call him a nigger they're idiots.

Everyone knows that if you want to call obama a nigger you really call him "Someone that annoys you"

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Zyphlin said:
So first, please, answer my above question. What percentage, specific or generalized, of those that are calling him that do you think actually are doing it SPECIFICALLY to "secretly" call him a nigger.
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I could not have been more clearer.

It is a judgement call to make. There is no percentage. If you're looking to trap me into a corner by giving you a percentage you are wrong, dead wrong.

Code language in politics exists.

The more vocal elements of the population seem to be using the words "socialist," "communist" and "fascist," as code words for the N word.

Again, another judgement call that I am willing to make.

I do not need to provide a link, or proof, for what is a personal judgement call.
 
The_Limt said:
I will not do your homework for you.

Period.

It is not my business, nor my job to educate you.
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necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

Actually, as the one who made the initial charge that these terms are codes for the n-word, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence to establish that your claim is true. This is the first rule of debate.

I know you're practically royalty and all, but if you want your arguments to be treated seriously here, you will support them with evidence.

This is one the most basic rules of argumentation, and dates back to Aristotle's Rhetoric. This protocol for debate has been followed in civilized discussions amongst educated men and women for several thousand years now.

If you'd like to learn more, I'd advise that you google "burden of proof," and do your homework in this regard. We aren't always serious here, but that is the basic structure of most discussions here.

Hope that helps.
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

Actually, as the one who made the initial charge that these terms are codes for the n-word, the burden of proof is on you to provide evidence to establish that your claim is true. This is the first rule of debate.

I know you're practically royalty and all, but if you want your arguments to be treated seriously here, you will support them with evidence.

This is one of those basic rules of argumentation that dates back to Aristotle's Rhetoric, and have been followed in civilized discussions amongst educated men and women for several thousand years now.

Hope that helps.
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See post #190
 
The_Limt said:
I could not have been more clearer.

It is a judgement call to make. There is no percentage. If you're looking to trap me into a corner by giving you a percentage you are wrong, dead wrong.

Code language in politics exists.

The more vocal elements of the population seem to be using the words "socialist," "communist" and "fascist," as code words for the N word.

Again, another judgement call that I am willing to make.

I do not need to provide a link, or proof, for what is a personal judgement call.
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Okay so....

You want to repeatedly say "those that a call him x, y, z are really meaning he's a nigger".

Then you want to say its just "some" of those people.

Then you want to claim you can't say how many of them, its YOUR call to make, and we're supposed to just trust that call, and because its your call to make you can continue to present the issue with implications that its the majority of them since you've repeatedly (see the first two portions of this thread) made the statement without ANY qualifiers as to their number.

Great.

The vast majority of people that call him a socialist, communist, or fascist are doing so because they believe that his policies represent those things. This can be proven by looking historically at the fact that multiple politicians of various races have been called these names before both in recent years and back when the civil rights movement was going on. Its my judgement call to make if someone isn't doing it because of that reason, and my judgement says the vast majority have nothing to do with trying to call him a nigger.
 
The_Limt said:
When you hear crazy protester call Obama a Socialist/Communist/Facist = Code Language for the N word.
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The above was my first post in this thread.

Note the word "crazy" because I was clearly talking about people on the fringe.

That was my first post in this thread.
 
The_Limt said:
The above was my first post in this thread.

Note the word "crazy."
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note you give no indication of what makes someone a "crazy" protesters leading the implication to be squarely that those calling him socialist/fascist/communist is what makes a crazy protester.

Its not other peoples fault if you are very poor at articulating what you actually mean.
 
The_Limt said:
The above was my first post in this thread.

Note the word "crazy" because I was clearly talking about people on the fringe.

That was my first post in this thread.
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Lol

Trying to cling on from the fingertips there ...
 
The_Limt said:
Do you realize you, unintentionally, supported my argument in the above post?

You correctly summarized my argument that "some" of Obama's detractors are using code language to call him the N word. I go on to state it is my judgement call to make.

Yet in your next paragraph you state that "we have posters who state that Obama isn't being called a communist because he's black."

You're saying that they are not interpreting my claim correctly as they are confusing "some" with "every person" who calls Obama a socialist, communist, fascist etc.

Even though I'm sure you did not mean to agree with me and illustrate their misinterpretations of my argument, I thank you nontheless.
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This is exactly where I wanted you to fall. Stumbling on your own words :

Here is your original argument :

The_Limt said:
When you hear crazy protester call Obama a Socialist/Communist/Facist = Code Language for the N word.
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The_Limt said:
Bullsnot.

A lot of his opponents are calling him all three of those things.

A lot.

It does not ineterest me what laymen "think" he is or not.

It has nothing to do with whether it is accurate, or a wholesale misrepresentation.
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From this we can gather that not only do you think 'some', as I used it(clearly meaning a minority) of his opponents call him a communist, fascist etc because he's black but 'a lot'. Now when I use a lot, and I'm sure most Western English speakers do the same, I mean a more than visible percentage or a clear majority. Now we've asked you to substantiate this 'opinion' of yours with any kind of evidence, like the one you blathered about for 4 pages regarding the civil rights movement and you have not. If you'd like to leave it as simply an opinion, one not based as any kind of proof, then by all means. But do not expect any of us to keep quiet and not call bull**** on it.
 
The_Limt said:
The above was my first post in this thread.

Note the word "crazy" because I was clearly talking about people on the fringe.

That was my first post in this thread.
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Not to be "insulting" but you expect that one word in one post is supposed to clarify your argument when everything you said afterward muddled your equivocation?
 
Zyphlin said:
Its my judgement call to make if someone isn't doing it because of that reason, and my judgement says the vast majority have nothing to do with trying to call him a nigger.
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I disagree with you, but I'm not going to ask you for a link to prove your above opinion, ie your judgement call.

I find it totally ridiculous I am being asked for "proof" for what is essentially a judgement call.
 
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