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UK Health Care: Babies Born in Corridors

The Prof

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1. Bed shortages in Britain force 4000 moms to give birth in elevators, offices, hallways and hospital toilets

2. Another body blow to Obamacare, which is already defunct, according to Bill Clinton, Kent Conrad, Tom Daschle, Russ Feingold, Max Baucus, Jack Murtha, Mike Ross...

3. Heck, even HHS Sebelius, Whip Durbin and the incompetent president himself have intimated as much

4. As telling as TEA LEAVES

5. That the Brits can't bring about such bare-boned basics as birthing beds for those big with babies...

6. A pair of headlines out of Canada last week, as well, declared devastatingly AGAINST Obamacare down here in the states

7. Dr Anne Doig, President of the Canadian Medical Assn, said, concerning health care above the 49th Parallel---"we all agree that the system is IMPLODING, we all agree that things are more PRECARIOUS" than is good for Canadians

8. "We're all just TRYING to stay ahead of DAY-TO-DAY DEMANDS"

9. "Canadians have to understand that the system we have right now---if it keeps on going without change---is NOT SUSTAINABLE"

10. Ouch---Canadian health care APPEARS bankrupt

11. I mean, IMPLODING, and all

12. And being NOT SUSTAINABLE

13. The politics

14. The HEADLINES

The Canadian Press: Overhauling health-care system tops agenda at annual meeting of Canada's doctors

15. The other message from Maple Leaf Land was also delivered by Drudge

16. Maybe you should BLAME him---LOL!

17. Obama certainly does, he blames EVERYONE

18. Of course, the fedora-donning troglodyte only dug the details in the first place out of the Vancouver Sun

19. That paper of repute reported that THOUSANDS of surgeries in Metro, BC may be cut DUE TO GOVT UNDERFUNDING

20. This heartbreaking bit of bad bodings was breached, by the way, only via a SECRET "executive summary" that was LEAKED to the Sun

21. Since then, the document has been confirmed as "genuine" by the authorizing Vancouver Coastal Health Assn

22. Dr Brian Brodie, president of the BC Medical Association, called the proposed surgical cuts “a nightmare”

23. VCHA is looking to "close nearly a quarter of its operating rooms starting in Sept," needs to cut 6250 surgeries, 24% of its cases between Sept and March, according to the smuggled memo

24. The plan proposes cutbacks to neurosurgery, ophthalmology, vascular surgery, and 11 other specialized areas

25. Both of the bad newsbreaks from our brothers above the border bewail WAIT LISTS as a worry without end

Thousands of surgeries may be cut in Metro Vancouver due to government underfunding, leaked paper

UK HEALTH SYSTEM: Babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets...


Thousands of women are having to give birth outside maternity wards because of a lack of midwives and hospital beds.

The lives of mothers and babies are being put at risk as births in locations ranging from lifts to toilets - even a caravan - went up 15 per cent last year to almost 4,000.

Health chiefs admit a lack of maternity beds is partly to blame for the crisis, with hundreds of women in labour being turned away from hospitals because they are full.

Latest figures show that over the past two years there were at least:

Tory health spokesman Andrew Lansley, who obtained the figures, said Labour had cut maternity beds by 2,340, or 22 per cent, since 1997. At the same time birth rates have been rising sharply - up 20 per cent in some areas.

Mr Lansley said: 'New mothers should not be being put through the trauma of having to give birth in such inappropriate places.

UK HEALTH SYSTEM: Babies born in hospital corridors: Bed shortage forces 4,000 mothers to give birth in lifts, offices and hospital toilets...


The Prof
 
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Dailymail again? :rofl

Give me Independent or TT.
Hell i'll even take Torygraph over that trash
 
tell it to "the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008"

tell it to the "East Cheshire NHS Trust"

numbers are numbers

did you ever learn the meaning of dunkirk, laila?

LOL!
 
tell it to "the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008"

tell it to the "East Cheshire NHS Trust"

So?
FOI Act information can be manipulated. DM always has a agenda.
It has this trip.

As i said, bring me a reputable source something not a tabloid trash.
I'll even accept Torygraph.
 
Dailymail again? :rofl

Give me Independent or TT.
Hell i'll even take Torygraph over that trash
Indeed but technically that is not an argument. Simply dismissing the source means a draw at best. If I could dismiss everything biased organisations like the Mail and the Brussels broadcasting corporation said that would make life easier but it isn't a good argument.
 
Indeed but technically that is not an argument. Simply dismissing the source means a draw at best. If I could dismiss everything biased organisations like the Mail and the Brussels broadcasting corporation said that would make life easier but it isn't a good argument.

No it is not. It was a comment.
I don't believe i set out a argument.

As to the OP. IF true. Then it is disgraceful .... If true that is
 
Btw Prof. What do the numbers in your OP mean? It is just your points or a sentence split up?
 
So?
FOI Act information can be manipulated. DM always has a agenda.
It has this trip.

As i said, bring me a reputable source something not a tabloid trash.
I'll even accept Torygraph.

an agenda?

no, couldn't be

LOL!

what else is new

the TIMES outta manhattan?

grey lady?

LOL!

fyi, friend

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunkirk_evacuation]Dunkirk evacuation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
So then you have no way to defend the NHS.

The cause as to why this is happening is in the article:
'Labour have let down mothers by cutting the number of maternity beds and by shutting down maternity units

Pump more money into maternity. Problem solved.
 
You could well be right, although now you seem to accept the article's veracity.

Not really, i still doubt it because of the source but it hardly affects me either way.

I still support the NHS and always will.
Money is what is needed. That is all.
 
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that's all

just money

it's all so easy

LOL!
 
No.

It is very simple not easy.
And why do you not post in sentences, seriously?
 
Personally I support healthcare being available for all. I'm not a fan of bureaucratic and centralised nation of the NHS however.

Who does?

Decentralise it, give locals more power over it.
 
tell it to "the Freedom of Information data for 2007 and 2008"

tell it to the "East Cheshire NHS Trust"

numbers are numbers

did you ever learn the meaning of dunkirk, laila?

LOL!

Don't we here in the USA have a law that states a person can drop off a baby at fire stations or police stations no questions asked.....I wonder how many can get dropped off per year?
 
Who does?
National gov'ts. It is in their nature to centralise. Centralising is easy, it is means uniformity instead of having to deal with diversity, it means top-down commands instead of having to accept the competencies and autonomies of some areas below you. Gov'ts, particularly modern gov'ts inevitably move to centralisation if not restrained.
 
hey, and how 'bout them canucks?

IMPLODING?

NOT SUSTAINABLE?

CUTTING six thousand surgeries?

CLOSING a quarter of their facilities?

ELIMINATING 24% of their services?

those are some rather UGLY incomplete sentences, don't y'all think?

.... what?
 
Don't we here in the USA have a law that states a person can drop off a baby at fire stations or police stations no questions asked.....I wonder how many can get dropped off per year?
I don't think that is what he is talking about. He is talking about a shortage of beds.
 
National gov'ts. It is in their nature to centralise. Centralising is easy, it is means uniformity instead of having to deal with diversity, it means top-down commands instead of having to accept the competencies and autonomies of some areas below you. Gov'ts, particularly modern gov'ts inevitably move to centralisation if not restrained.

Shocking.
Breaking news: National Government wishes to horde power and centralise it ...

Face it Wessex ... Conservatives or Liberals in Government. They will still centralise and horde power.
You will never get a actual true conservative in power nor will I get someone who is not a champagne socialist

We are doomed with the rejects.
 
hey, and how 'bout them canucks?

IMPLODING?

NOT SUSTAINABLE?

CUTTING six thousand surgeries?

CLOSING a quarter of their facilities?

ELIMINATING 24% of their services?

those are some rather UGLY incomplete sentences, don't y'all think?

and just check out those SOURCES!
 
Shocking.
Breaking news: National Government wishes to horde power and centralise it ...

Face it Wessex ... Conservatives or Liberals in Government. They will still centralise and horde power.
You will never get a actual true conservative in power nor will I get someone who is not a champagne socialist

We are doomed with the rejects.
That is why I vote Wessex regionalists... the natural party of gov't.:lol:
 
That is why I vote Wessex regionalists... the natural party of gov't.:lol:

I vote lib dems
Its my way of sticking my finger up to the two parties whilst reasurring myself that they won't actually have enough power to implement their EU policy :cool:

You see ... clever :2wave:
 
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