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Veterans Affairs mistakenly tells 1,200 they have Lou Gehrig's

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apdst said:
I can't wait for the government to take over health care. It's gonna be just awesome! I know everyone is as excited as I am.
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Can you please explain how the VA's affiliation with the government caused this mistake?
 
Kandahar said:
Can you please explain how the VA's affiliation with the government caused this mistake?
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I'll explain it with one word, "bureaucracy".

Ever hear the old expression, "It's good enough for government work"?
 
apdst said:
Ever hear the old expression, "It's good enough for government work"?
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Oddly enough, never when I was working for the government(military). Good enough never was for us then.
 
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apdst said:
I'll explain it with one word, "bureaucracy".
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Do you think private hospitals ever make these kind of mistakes? (You can answer yes and save us both some hassle, or you can answer no and I can find such a case and make you look foolish.)

apdst said:
Ever hear the old expression, "It's good enough for government work"?
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So your argument is an old cliche. Got it. :roll:
 
Kandahar said:
Do you think private hospitals ever make these kind of mistakes? (You can answer yes and save us both some hassle, or you can answer no and I can find such a case and make you look foolish.)
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Show me any private medical program, facility, group, conglomerate, or any other kind of orginization that mistakenly informed over one thousand people that they had a disease that they would definitely die from. I'll be waiting.

Who was it that got a few thousand SSN's jacked a few years ago? Was that the VA, or a privte hospital?



So your argument is an old cliche. Got it. :roll:
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There's alotta truth to it. When you get your first job, you'll see what I mean.
 
apdst said:
Show me any private medical program, facility, group, conglomerate, or any other kind of orginization that mistakenly informed over one thousand people that they had a disease that they would definitely die from. I'll be waiting.
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So you want another organization that has done exactly the same thing as the one in this example? Want to make the parameters of the search so narrow that it's impossible to find any comparable situation? :roll:

Here are a couple examples of your private medical sector at work:

Hospital Snafu Sends Patient Info To Bank - Boston News Story - WCVB Boston
Man Mistakenly Told He Was HIV Positive Sues Laboratory

And this doesn't even touch on the huge number of actual medical errors that take place in the private sector.

apdst said:
There's alotta truth to it. When you get your first job, you'll see what I mean.
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Well, son, when you graduate high school, you'll see what I mean. ;)
 
apdst said:
Show me any private medical program, facility, group, conglomerate, or any other kind of orginization that mistakenly informed over one thousand people that they had a disease that they would definitely die from. I'll be waiting.

Who was it that got a few thousand SSN's jacked a few years ago? Was that the VA, or a privte hospital?
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Kinda irrelevant in the raw due to the fact that the VA deals with vastly more people than any hospital. A percentage would be more revealing, and it might surprise you.
 
Kandahar said:
So you want another organization that has done exactly the same thing as the one in this example? Want to make the parameters of the search so narrow that it's impossible to find any comparable situation? :roll:

Here are a couple examples of your private medical sector at work:

Hospital Snafu Sends Patient Info To Bank - Boston News Story - WCVB Boston
Man Mistakenly Told He Was HIV Positive Sues Laboratory

And this doesn't even touch on the huge number of actual medical errors that take place in the private sector.
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So, all you have is one hospital that basically sent patient info to another secure location and one guy? I would say that the VA is still purdy far behind the power curve on this one, sorry.


Well, son, when you graduate high school, you'll see what I mean. ;)
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Don't play that, boy. You ain't even married with kids, yet.



Redress said:
Kinda irrelevant in the raw due to the fact that the VA deals with vastly more people than any hospital. A percentage would be more revealing, and it might surprise you.
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Which further reinforces my point. Why would you want to create a larger system that will obviously breed more of these kind of mistakes?
 
apdst said:
Which further reinforces my point. Why would you want to create a larger system that will obviously breed more of these kind of mistakes?
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And you missed the point. If one group handles 10 cases a day, and messes up one, and another handles 100 cases a day, and messes up 5, which is more likely to mess up a case?
 
Redress said:
And you missed the point. If one group handles 10 cases a day, and messes up one, and another handles 100 cases a day, and messes up 5, which is more likely to mess up a case?
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And, you missed the point. Bureaucracies are notorious for screwing things up. The bigger they are, the more things they screw up. Why do we want to create the largest bureaucracy in history?
 
apdst said:
And, you missed the point. Bureaucracies are notorious for screwing things up. The bigger they are, the more things they screw up. Why do we want to create the largest bureaucracy in history?
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And without the stats for the likelyhood of a private health provider making a mistake vs the VA, your point is speculation at best.
 
apdst said:
And, you missed the point. Bureaucracies are notorious for screwing things up. The bigger they are, the more things they screw up. Why do we want to create the largest bureaucracy in history?
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How is this responsive to redress's point?

And while I'm sure we can all agree that this is a pretty stupid mistake on the part of the VA, and even if we were to agree that this is marginally more likely to happen because the VA is a government agency...

who the **** cares? Is this really that big a deal?

Let me know which one you would rather have happen to you:

Veterans Affairs mistakenly tells 1,200 they have Lou Gehrig's, a fatal neurological disease -- latimes.com

or

3 Indicted in Theft of 130 Million Card Numbers - DealBook Blog - NYTimes.com

I know which one would have a larger effect on my life.
 
RightinNYC said:
How is this responsive to redress's point?

And while I'm sure we can all agree that this is a pretty stupid mistake on the part of the VA, and even if we were to agree that this is marginally more likely to happen because the VA is a government agency...

who the **** cares? Is this really that big a deal?

Let me know which one you would rather have happen to you:

Veterans Affairs mistakenly tells 1,200 they have Lou Gehrig's, a fatal neurological disease -- latimes.com

or

3 Indicted in Theft of 130 Million Card Numbers - DealBook Blog - NYTimes.com

I know which one would have a larger effect on my life.
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And I think we have a winner!
 
RightinNYC said:
How is this responsive to redress's point?

And while I'm sure we can all agree that this is a pretty stupid mistake on the part of the VA, and even if we were to agree that this is marginally more likely to happen because the VA is a government agency...

who the **** cares? Is this really that big a deal?

Let me know which one you would rather have happen to you:

Veterans Affairs mistakenly tells 1,200 they have Lou Gehrig's, a fatal neurological disease -- latimes.com

or

3 Indicted in Theft of 130 Million Card Numbers - DealBook Blog - NYTimes.com

I know which one would have a larger effect on my life.
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Gee Wally!! As if government computers are less prone to hacking. C'mon, dude, that's not a very good example.
 
apdst said:
Gee Wally!! As if government computers are less prone to hacking. C'mon, dude, that's not a very good example.
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I didn't offer any evidence that they were, just like you didn't offer any evidence that private healthcare is any less prone to screwing up. All I did was point out one example where a large number of people were affected, which is exactly what you did.
 
RightinNYC said:
I didn't offer any evidence that they were, just like you didn't offer any evidence that private healthcare is any less prone to screwing up. All I did was point out one example where a large number of people were affected, which is exactly what you did.
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has any private hospital told 1,200 people they would be dead in 12 months? This is internal. The ID theft article you posted is external.
 
apdst said:
I can't wait for the government to take over health care. It's gonna be just awesome! I know everyone is as excited as I am.
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The VA as has virtaully every large organization has made mistakes over the years. I recall when they told the Vietnam era vets that their Agent Oraange sympyoms were all in their heads. Well only those who manifrstedbrain tumors from Agent Orange actually hadthe probelm in their heads,


The VA told a group of veterans at one time that they were dead. Maybe that was wishfull thinking on the VA's part.
 
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Kandahar said:
Can you please explain how the VA's affiliation with the government caused this mistake?
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Big organizations make big mistakes !!! Ok now let's talk about recalls of products. A auto manufacturer with a large volume of production can have and have had screwups that affect many units.
 
apdst said:
has any private hospital told 1,200 people they would be dead in 12 months? This is internal. The ID theft article you posted is external.
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And again, as has been pointed out, does any hospital have as many people to work with as the VA? Raw numbers are meaningless, percentages would have meaning. It's like comparing wages from 50 years ago to today...just using the dollar amount is meaningless, you have to figure in inflation and so on. Without the qualifying details, the numbers are not of value.
 
apdst said:
has any private hospital told 1,200 people they would be dead in 12 months? This is internal. The ID theft article you posted is external.
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It was the private companies lax internal security policies that allowed the information to be stolen, just like it was the VA's lax fact-checking policies that allowed this incident to happen.
 
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