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Obama Approves New Team to Question Key Terror Suspects

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Obama Approves New Team to Question Key Terror Suspects

President Obama has approved the creation of an elite team of interrogators to question key terrorism suspects, part of a broader effort to revamp U.S. policy on detention and interrogation, senior administration officials said Sunday.

Obama signed off late last week on the unit, named the High-Value Detainee Interrogation Group, or HIG. Made up of experts from several intelligence and law enforcement agencies, the interrogation unit will be housed at the FBI but will be overseen by the National Security Council -- shifting the center of gravity away from the CIA and giving the White House direct oversight.

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Members of the new interrogation unit will have the authority to travel around the world to talk to suspects and will be trained to handle certain high-interest people, such as al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. Linguists and cultural and interrogation specialists will be assigned to the group and will have "some division of responsibility" regarding types of detainees, a senior administration official said. Most of the group's members will work there full time, although they will have part-time support from the FBI.

Interrogators will not necessarily read detainees their rights before questioning, instead making that decision on a case-by-case basis, officials said. That could affect whether some material can be used in a U.S. court of law. The main purpose of the new unit, however, is to glean intelligence, especially about potential terrorist attacks, the officials said.
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This seems like a good idea at first glance.
 
MrVicchio said:
For captured terrorist, you're right... I'm sure they are quaking in their boots at the thought of Obama directed interragations!
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Dude. Your rabid politics gets on my nerves. All I ever see you do is try and derail threads with your pointless and usually worthless rants about our Commander & Chief. I disagree with Obama about as much as you do, but I don't assume he is going to want terrorists to win or something that retarded. Your like the new version of Navy Pride.
 
I think it is a very good idea. Obama will be well served to insure that this new group avoids resorting to torture methods though, or his hypocracy level will jump through the roof.
 
Rightwing86 said:
Dude. Your rabid politics gets on my nerves. All I ever see you do is try and derail threads with your pointless and usually worthless rants about our Commander & Chief. I disagree with Obama about as much as you do, but I don't assume he is going to want terrorists to win or something that retarded. Your like the new version of Navy Pride.
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That's great, you know, I write my posts, with you as my target reader in mind, thank's for the input, in the future, I'll be sure to be a calm, boring, centrist poster, whose views are always both sides of the issue, that way, I won't offend your soft sensibilities because you need everyone to post gently..

Really...

Now, back to reality.

I don't assume he wants them to win either, but nice try at smearing me with words and assumptions I never implied.

I disagree with Obama, I think he's soft on Terrorist, I think we're too soft on them!

Al-Qiada Terrorist want to kill us, they are willing to DIE TO DO SO. So a new specially trained humane task force of interrigators doesn't much impress me at all, and I seriously doubt it's gonna do much to them.

So, do you see the point, wishy-washy man? I'm a Jack Bauer has it right kinda guy, I think Obama's really really really REALLY wrong here.

So my post, while yes abrupt and a bit pointed, was to that end.

Nothing about Obama wanting Terrorist to win or other such non-sense like you interjected. Grow up would ya and quit assuming you understand why I or anyone else posts what we post... put aside your bias okay?
 
tlmorg02 said:
I think it is a very good idea. Obama will be well served to insure that this new group avoids resorting to torture methods though, or his hypocracy level will jump through the roof.
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Why do people get so excited about inflicting a little pain and discomfort on... Terrorist?

Really, that boggles my mind. These people would slit your throat, and you want to be nice to them?
 
MrVicchio said:
Why do people get so excited about inflicting a little pain and discomfort on... Terrorist?

Really, that boggles my mind. These people would slit your throat, and you want to be nice to them?
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Two wrongs don't make a right, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, etc.
 
This is bad for several reasons.


1. It's a hearty FU to the CIA...

2. It's a hearty FU to the FBI

3. It's oversight, and control rests with one man, if it wasn't good for Bush, why would you all trust Obama here?

4. "reading rights" treats this back as a criminal matter and not a war. This will bite us.

5. What technuiques will be used? If we are only asking them nicely, what does forming yet another group, accomplish?
 
MrVicchio said:
Why do people get so excited about inflicting a little pain and discomfort on... Terrorist?

Really, that boggles my mind. These people would slit your throat, and you want to be nice to them?
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I do not get excited at all. I could care less personally what is done to the terrorists, but I would suppose that under extreme torture, people will say anything to stop the pain infliction, thus nothing credible could come of it. My main point, was that if he allows his people to partake, then he is a hypocrite for criticizing the Bush administration for the use of such interrogation methods.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is bad for several reasons.


1. It's a hearty FU to the CIA...

2. It's a hearty FU to the FBI

3. It's oversight, and control rests with one man, if it wasn't good for Bush, why would you all trust Obama here?

4. "reading rights" treats this back as a criminal matter and not a war. This will bite us.

5. What technuiques will be used? If we are only asking them nicely, what does forming yet another group, accomplish?
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I agree to the points that it is recreating the wheel abit here. But at least the CIA will get a break from the scrutiny of the media as this group takes over, and it is all on Obama to monitor. I also think Obama should protect the CIA from teh current witch hunts going on.
 
tlmorg02 said:
I agree to the points that it is recreating the wheel abit here. But at least the CIA will get a break from the scrutiny of the media as this group takes over, and it is all on Obama to monitor. I also think Obama should protect the CIA from teh current witch hunts going on.
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Obama is part of the witch hunt. This is not a good move on his part.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Obama is part of the witch hunt. This is not a good move on his part.
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How so? He promised them protection, and as far as I have heard the ACLU challenged under the freedom of information act, and a judge granted them access to some censored documents.
 
tlmorg02 said:
How so? He promised them protection, and as far as I have heard the ACLU challenged under the freedom of information act, and a judge granted them access to some censored documents.
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By starting the special group and removing the CIA one of the key reasons for thier existence.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
By starting the special group and removing the CIA one of the key reasons for thier existence.
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I do not think they will be removed at all from the process, but rather alleviated from the process of interrogation. They will certainly remain the intelligence source for capture of suspects. The team Obama suggests, shifts responsibility for the treatment of the suspects from the CIA to his administration directly. This is actually protection for the CIA.
 
ScottD said:
Two wrongs don't make a right, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, etc.
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Inflicting pain and anguish for no reason I agree, getting vital information from a scumbag that might save lives. I'm for saving lives. But we've had this discussion over and over on here.
 
MrVicchio said:
That's great, you know, I write my posts, with you as my target reader in mind, thank's for the input, in the future, I'll be sure to be a calm, boring, centrist poster, whose views are always both sides of the issue, that way, I won't offend your soft sensibilities because you need everyone to post gently..

Really...

Now, back to reality.

I don't assume he wants them to win either, but nice try at smearing me with words and assumptions I never implied.


Al-Qiada Terrorist want to kill us, they are willing to DIE TO DO SO. So a new specially trained humane task force of interrigators doesn't much impress me at all, and I seriously doubt it's gonna do much to them.

So, do you see the point, wishy-washy man? I'm a Jack Bauer has it right kinda guy, I think Obama's really really really REALLY wrong here.



Nothing about Obama wanting Terrorist to win or other such non-sense like you interjected. Grow up would ya and quit assuming you understand why I or anyone else posts what we post... put aside your bias okay?
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I am amazed, you know so little about me and yet you assume so much! If I am wishy-washy please tell me on which issues? You probably think anyone who doesn't want to bomb the entire Middle East is a "spineless liberal". I am in my 4th year of college at the University of Mississippi, with a major in Criminal Justice specifically Homeland Security, with a minor in History. So please assume that you know more about international and domestic terrorism than me, try that, please.

I'd be very surprised sir, if you knew the difference between shia and sunni beliefs, let alone any solution to the problems we are facing. How dare you assume that people who differ from you, somehow are weak, or spineless. You sir, are absurd.
 
MrVicchio said:
For captured terrorist, you're right... I'm sure they are quaking in their boots at the thought of Obama directed interragations!
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The idea behind interrogation is not to terrorize terrorists, it is to get information. There are effective methods that do not use torture, or EIT's, or even scare the terrorists a little bit.
 
tlmorg02 said:
I do not think they will be removed at all from the process, but rather alleviated from the process of interrogation. They will certainly remain the intelligence source for capture of suspects. The team Obama suggests, shifts responsibility for the treatment of the suspects from the CIA to his administration directly. This is actually protection for the CIA.
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Pennetta is talking about quiting, moral is not high over there.
 
RightinNYC said:
Obama Approves New Team to Question Key Terror Suspects



This seems like a good idea at first glance.
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Until someone gets pigeon holed for some sort of perceived torture.

National Security Council -- shifting the center of gravity away from the CIA and giving the White House direct oversight.
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At the end of the day, do we really want the White House to be the soul oversight of such a unit? What could go wrong, right?

We already have a buncha czars that don't answer to anyone, now we have an interrogation team that doesn't answer to anyone.

Can anyone say, "abuse of power"?
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is bad for several reasons.


1. It's a hearty FU to the CIA...

2. It's a hearty FU to the FBI

3. It's oversight, and control rests with one man, if it wasn't good for Bush, why would you all trust Obama here?

4. "reading rights" treats this back as a criminal matter and not a war. This will bite us.

5. What technuiques will be used? If we are only asking them nicely, what does forming yet another group, accomplish?
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To be honest, I don't care about the tender feelings of the CIA and FBI. If this group gets the job done, it's a success. Further, I think that these people should be treated as criminals. To my mind, calling this a war actually legitimizes these people, who are nothing more than criminal scum to my mind.

I do agree with your third point however.
 
Treating it as a criminal matter gave us kenya, kobar towers, WTC bombing, and 911



They have declared war on us. We need to act accordingly.
 
War isn't defined by a piece of paper.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Treating it as a criminal matter gave us kenya, kobar towers, WTC bombing, and 911



They have declared war on us. We need to act accordingly.
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I understand your point, though I am not sure it is entirely accurate, and not sure if it can be proven either way. To me, I can respect the soldiers of an opposing army. I respect the Iraqi soldiers who died trying to, as they saw it, defend their country. I have no respect for terrorists, who are criminal scum who are perpetrating criminal acts. Calling this a war gives them, in a twisty kinda way, the legitimacy that honest soldiers have to my mind. It's just a personal opinion kinda thing.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
3. It's oversight, and control rests with one man, if it wasn't good for Bush, why would you all trust Obama here?
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apdst said:
At the end of the day, do we really want the White House to be the soul oversight of such a unit? What could go wrong, right?

We already have a buncha czars that don't answer to anyone, now we have an interrogation team that doesn't answer to anyone.

Can anyone say, "abuse of power"?
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I didn't have a problem with this when Bush did it and I don't have a problem with it now. I think it's well within the powers of the president to exert this much control over the issue, regardless of what the Dems circa 02-08 said or what some Reps circa 09 may say.
 
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