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And I don't think it is your business.
Welcome to the world where politics has no limit on its reach.
And I don't think it is your business.
Are you asking for genuine information? Because it sure as hell seems like you have little knowledge of fox hunting.'Shoot foxes'? I beg your pardon?
Do you know how their 'culling' happens?
They get dressed up, drink wine. Then let loose a pack of dogs to chase teh fox until it is exhausted then kill it and/or tear it apart.
You seem confused on what a class issue is. Even if we accept it is more practiced by the rich than the rest of countryfolk it does not make it a class issue. A class issue is when you start attacking people on class lines for it. Only you have done that.And at least i have the good grace to be honest about it. Wessex seems in denial when he says there is no class issue undertones for both sides.
Oh but it is.
Welcome to the real world where politics has no limit on its reach.
Are you asking for genuine information? Because it sure as hell seems like you have little knowledge of fox hunting.
Including man.....
I do.
No it isn't.
No it isn't.
No offense but I don't think you know much about fox hunting or its place in the countryside.
Conservatives think rather differently.
Actually LBC (radio station) Jeni did a whole 2 hours on this topic with someone from countryside alliance there answering questions.
Were they drunk as well? Did they beat their servants during the interview or merely come from such a past time.
This kind of stuff isn't worthy of even the most vulgar Soviet propaganda.
Why, no public foot path ran through my brothers land. I support the laws of the land.Yes and ramblers like to roam all over other people's property, that is a different discussion. I find it ironic a supporter of Wedgewood Benn is taking up a pro-private property argument.
Indeed.Yes, good thing mans survival isn't dependant among Fox hunting.
Foxes aren't humans, so the term inhumane is somewhat out of place. The anthropomorphizing of animals is a problem with liberal urbanites and their lack of understanding of such topics. Hence the rise of vegetarianism, a pretty much urban phenomenon.You care because you wish to see the continuation of an inhumane practice. As much as you'd like to, you cant ignore animal rights.
I thought it was banned?Yes it is.
And yet the countryside has survived for centuries. If you want to have these kinds of discussions then fox hunting is the least of our worries.The fox is part of the countrysides ecosystem. Even a small decline in numbers can put everything out of balance
You've gathered that from me being against it...how?
So? That doesn't make it a class issue. A class issue only becomes one when an attack is made based on class or at least a class is being disadvantaged.I just quoted someone saying Laila is making it into a class issue though she isn't exactly wrong for saying your posh folk from the countryside tend to engage in the sport more.
Why, no public foot path ran through my brothers land. I support the laws of the land.
I was caricaturing your argument.Who beat their servant?
Dude. No one mentioned servants here lol
Hmm that's an idea, maybe we could hunt Londoners instead...although the fox is smart, I would draw the line at dumb beasts:2razz:And no they were ... nice, really nice.
But ofc i would be too if i was trying to influence the thinking of hundreds of thousands of londoners who listen to LBC.
Indeed.
Foxes aren't humans, so the term inhumane is somewhat out of place. The anthropomorphizing of animals is a problem with liberal urbanites and their lack of understanding of such topics. Hence the rise of vegetarianism, a pretty much urban phenomenon.
I thought it was banned?
And yet the countryside has survived for centuries. If you want to have these kinds of discussions then fox hunting is the least of our worries.
Because of the out of place class war rhetoric being used.
It is part of country tradition. It has long been an important part of life in many rural communities and though I support lessening the violence done to foxes I still support the practice because of its important place and because of the inaccurate and authoritarian attacks being made against it.
If the critics were more informed and more reasonable then no doubt a compromise would be a lot easier but this crude propaganda and class war rhetoric simply lead many of us to dig our heals in.
So? That doesn't make it a class issue. A class issue only becomes one when an attack is made based on class or at least a class is being disadvantaged.
I was caricaturing your argument.
Hmm that's an idea, maybe we could hunt Londoners instead...although the fox is smart, I would draw the line at dumb beasts:2razz:
Hmm that's an idea, maybe we could hunt Londoners instead...although the fox is smart, I would draw the line at dumb beasts:2razz:
Why not they were there before me, we had a badger set as well, it was great, the local primary school and the scouts and guides used to love to camp on it, we also placed Tit boxes on the trees and sowed many pounds of woodland flower seeds, my brothers kids, along with many other adults and children loved the place, it was so tranquil.And irrelevant arguments....
If you don't support foxes being hunted on your land then they should not be.
...did that comment just come from a country boy?
Last time i checked, London was the center of financial commerce and English civilization.
Well, leaving aside the inconsistency of your class war rhetoric and celebration of the city, you are talking to a distributist. Corporate-capitalism is not my ideal.:rofl
Oh that got a chuckle out of me.
Also funny seeing London is the powerhouse of UK, where is the financial centre again? In the country? Oh no. That is where people who inherited wealth live.
That is Wessex I'll have you know. You guys would be speaking Danish if it wasn't for us:2razz:.
Corporate-capitalism is not my ideal.
That is Wessex I'll have you know. You guys would be speaking Danish if it wasn't for us:2razz:.
What is your ideal?
From what i gather of Wessexman, a descentralized government, more regionalized governments, an independent British sovereign. Basically what most of your standard England loving folks want, like me.
Because you were getting perilously close to an argument that could have been classed as primitivist.So why mention that?
I hunt deer and rabbits as well(well I don't personally hunt foxes anyway.). We recognise different sets of behaviour between humans and humans and animals, or most of us do.The word inhumane is used to describe someone who engages in an act that is wrong or evil. We're hunting the foxes, they're not hunting us.
Proof? Foxes have often been culled, I can't imagine fox hunting making up for anywhere near the level of a proper cull.It is. Im talking about the scenario before hand, however.
They seem to be thriving to me.Yes, and thats why we are in the **** now. Because we've been killing these animals for centuries.
Its place within the community as a past-time and ritual.If its an important part of your life to kill an animal then you have no life. How is fox hunting, its cruelty aside, important?
I'm certainly not making it up. I understand the history of fox-hunting unlike most of those on the anti-side. As Quintin Hogg said 60 years ago, fox-hunting was a form of religion to many conservatives, it certainly had a very important ritual and communal place.Your just making it up now. Its a silly, viscous practice and the only argument you country boys have is "its an important part of our lives!!".
I disagree. A little bit of violence towards Foxes seems fine to me in the circumstances and we are discussing the Tory's pledge to rightfully remove the ban.Your violating animal rights. Its a set of laws in this country. With or without the ban, the practice is technically illegal. For as long as we have animal rights, the ban should be in place.
The only people making it a class issue are the antis.Im not saying its a class issue i just made the statement.
I believe in giving power to the historic regions of England but most importantly I believe in social conservatism, decentralised gov't and society and a decentalised, distirbutist economy.So a US type federal system?
So boroughs get power or areas?
SE or Bromley for example.
That goes with saying. Like most Brits I'm eurosceptic.And independent as in removed entirely from EU?