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Teen Fears Honor Killing by Muslim Father

Mira said:
OooOOohhHHh, I'm going to be roasted in hell, served with onions and baby carrots ;)
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Don't forget a side of roast potatoes. You always have to have the potatoes.

And you never know who will be dining with you ... that is half the fun lol
 
Laila said:
Don't forget a side of roast potatoes. You always have to have the potatoes.

And you never know who will be dining with you ... that is half the fun lol
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Blimey !!! I forgot the spuds, offf course.

But I'm the one who's going to be eaten :rofl hope it won't be Turbex dining and wining on me :mrgreen:
 
Now that would be hell and punishment ... :lol:

If i was in hell, i'd want to meet Jack the Ripper.
If there is one person you could meet, who would it be?
 
Laila said:
Now that would be hell and punishment ... :lol:

If i was in hell, i'd want to meet Jack the Ripper.
If there is one person you could meet, who would it be?
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Yasser Arafat !! only if he takes me on a ride in his famous VW
 
Lakryte said:
I haven't read all of the discussions going on about this, but I wanted to throw in my opinion.

I think that the parents have the right to know what their child is doing and they have a legal authority over their children. For example, I believe that parents should give consent if their daughter wishes to have an abortions.

HOWEVER, in this particular case, I would have to side with the girl. If she honestly fears for her life and worries her parents will kill her because that is what their religion dictates to them, I would not put the girl back in the care of the parents. To me that deems them as unfit to parent.
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It is true that Islamic countries need alot of reform but the majority of Muslims do not apply what's in the book word by word.

In Islam, the only 3 reasons given for killing another Muslim is, adultary, killing another human (eye for an eye...) and abandoning Islam. However, it is also said that a person shall only be killed after being judged. Also, and this is important to know, there is no Islamic law that permits a person to take the authority of a judge in his own hands. A person cannot try another person and condemn him to death, only a court can. Therefore the term "honour killings" in Islam in basically utter tosh.

Now, I'm not saying that these laws are not shocking, they are and that is why I started this post by saying that Islamic countries need reform and as I've said many times, the Koran was written in another time and another context. What seemed fair at that time, looks shocking in our time.

That said, there is no proof that the father threatend his daughter, but yes, even if there is a minor chance that she might get killed or hurt, she should not be returned to her family because these crimes, due to IGNORANCE, do exist.
 
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Mira said:
It is true that Islamic countries need alot of reform but the majority of Muslims do not apply what's in the book word by word.

In Islam, the only 3 reasons given for killing another Muslim is, adultary, killing another human (eye for an eye...) and abandoning Islam. However, it is also said that a person shall only be killed after being judged. Also, and this is important to know, there is no Islamic law that permits a person to take the authority of a judge in his own hands. A person cannot try another person and condemn him to death, only a court can. Therefore the term "honour killings" in Islam in basically utter tosh.

Now, I'm not saying that these laws are not shocking, they are and that is why I started this post by saying that Islamic countries need reform and as I've said many times, the Koran was written in another time and another context. What seemed fair at that time, looks shocking in our time.

That said, there is no proof that the father threatend his daughter, but yes, even if there is a minor chance that she might get killed or hurt, she should not be returned to her family because these crimes, due to IGNORANCE, do exist.
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Until this reform takes place why would we encourage Muslim immigration in America???
 
bhkad said:
Until this reform takes place why would we encourage Muslim immigration in America???
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So you wish to bar Muslims from moving to America?
 
Laila said:
So you wish to bar Muslims from moving to America?
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I think that Immigration policy in America should be based upon what is best for the people who are already in America. If some groups are disinclined to assimilate, then yes, I think they should be barred from immigrating.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I think that Immigration policy in America should be based upon what is best for the people who are already in America. If some groups are disinclined to assimilate, then yes, I think they should be barred from immigrating.
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Muslims in the United States are assimilated. They are integrated.
Muslims in US work, pay taxes and are law abiding citizens for the most part.

So what Bkhad most likely wants is people denied entry just because of their faith or just in particular Muslims.
 
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Laila said:
So you wish to bar Muslims from moving to America?
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Actually, I'd like every American be educated about Islam's goals and methods and then let the chips fall where they may.
 
bhkad said:
Actually, I'd like every American be educated about Islam's goals and methods and then let the chips fall where they may.
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So then why ask that question if that was not what you was aiming for?
 
Laila said:
Muslims in the United States are assimilated. They are integrated. Muslims in US work, pay taxes and are law abiding citizens for the most part.

So what Bkhad most likely wants is people denied entry just because of their faith or just in particular Muslims.
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No, I think he wants them to endorse western values, such as the equality of women and tolerance of other religious beliefs.
 
Laila said:
Muslims in the United States are assimilated. They are integrated.
Muslims in US work, pay taxes and are law abiding citizens for the most part.

So what Bkhad most likely wants is people denied entry just because of their faith or just in particular Muslims.
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Nope. I want everyone to understand that the Muslim community in America will grow and eventually try to gain mastery of America.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
No, I think he wants them to endorse western values, such as the equality of women and tolerance of other religious beliefs.
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You're right. That works for me, too.
 
bhkad said:
Nope. I want everyone to understand that the Muslim community in America will grow and eventually try to gain mastery of America.
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:rofl

Yep ... the Muslim community will grow to 300 million and they shall overtake the United States ... (Is this before or after the hispanics have their turn of control?)

:lol:
 
Catz Part Deux said:
No, I think he wants them to endorse western values, such as the equality of women and tolerance of other religious beliefs.
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Yeah, and perhaps join a gang, eat junk food, participate in shootings in schools, stick an almost naked woman on each merchandise for sale, invade other countries, use drug money to finance wars.....

oh, and not be able to speak their native language properly
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
No, I think he wants them to endorse western values, such as the equality of women and tolerance of other religious beliefs.
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And that is not what he wants. He already stated he wants people to think Muslims will "overtake US" :doh
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
I think that Immigration policy in America should be based upon what is best for the people who are already in America. If some groups are disinclined to assimilate, then yes, I think they should be barred from immigrating.
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How to tell one from the other is a big problem.
 
Laila said:
And that is not what he wants. He already stated he wants people to think Muslims will "overtake US" :doh
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Those who are true to Islam DO wish to gain mastery of mankind.
 
bhkad said:
Those who are true to Islam DO wish to gain mastery of mankind.
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And those who are ignorant DO wish to gain mastery of this thread
 
Mira said:
And those who are ignorant DO wish to gain mastery of this thread
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You think I'm ignorant and I think you are willfully blind.
 
bhkad said:
You think I'm ignorant and I think you are willfully blind.
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Better blind than ignorant, at least I can hear and feel... and smell a troll from a distance
 
Laila said:
:rofl

Yep ... the Muslim community will grow to 300 million and they shall overtake the United States ... (Is this before or after the hispanics have their turn of control?)

:lol:
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Before that happens there will be fighting and strife such as in all the Muslim countries where fundies fight for greater power.
 
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