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Ridge accuses Bush White House of political use of terror alert system

Devil505 said:
Because someone got to him. He was pissed off & then whimped out.
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Bull!

Read what he said, and it's clear he wasn't accusing anyone. I pointed this out the day this bs hit the press.

I guess there's no limit to the distortions the Bush hating left will manufacture to feed their obsession with destroying George Bush... And you post proves it.

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Grim17 said:
Bull!

Read what he said, and it's clear he wasn't accusing anyone. I pointed this out the day this bs hit the press.

I guess there's no limit to the distortions the Bush hating left will manufacture to feed their obsession with destroying George Bush... And you post proves it.

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I think it only fair to do my best to destroy a man who did his best to destroy my country. My only regret is that he came much closer to achieving his goal than I could ever hope to come to achieving mine.
 
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Devil505 said:
I think it only fair to do my best to destroy a man who did his best to destroy my country.
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Thank you for the honesty.

It's all about destroying Bush, not about the facts.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
 
Grim17 said:
Thank you for the honesty.

It's all about destroying Bush, not about the facts.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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You're quite welcome.....just as you are quite wrong about facts.

Here's a fact for you:

Bush was such a hated man that his own party wouldn't allow the sitting President to visit their nominating convention last summer so that he wouldn't stain the event with his presence. True or not?
 
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Devil505 said:
You're quite welcome.....just as you are quite wrong about facts.

Here's a fact for you:

Bush was such a hated man that his own party wouldn't allow the sitting President to visit their nominating convention last summer so that he wouldn't stain the event with his presence. True or not?
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What a shock!

A liberal tries to change the subject when they've lost the argument.

I'm not going to answer you, because that would allow you to change the topic of this thread into another typical "I hate Bush" discussion. We all know your world revolves around the seething hatred that's at the core of your liberal ideology, but that doesn't mean we have to help you feed your pathetic obsession.

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Grim17 said:
What a shock!

A liberal tries to change the subject when they've lost the argument.

I'm not going to answer you, because that would allow you to change the topic of this thread into another typical "I hate Bush" discussion. We all know your world revolves around the seething hatred that's at the core of your liberal ideology, but that doesn't mean we have to help you feed your pathetic obsession.

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This is right on topic ....which is about Bush, after all. Perhaps, if you cared more about your country, you could understand the hatred of GW Bush that most Americans....including the Republican Party...feel towards him & his evil VP.
 
Did anyone mention that Tom Ridge came out in USA Today, various talk radio shows, Good Morning America, the Sean Hannity show and Fox and Friends, and made it clear that he did not accuse the Bush administration of politicizing the terror alert system?

That is the topic of this thread... Is it not?

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Hatuey said:
Were we getting attacks every single day before 9/11? Maybe we were getting them weekly? Monthly? No? Because to my knowledge large scale attacks on U.S. soil by foreign terrorist are rare occurrences. So rare in fact that most people could name at least the last 4 or 5 and have intervals of 5-10 years between them.
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Ah yes, the old "let's pretend they are not trying to attack us because they weren’t successful" argument.

So using your logic, after the first attempt to destroy the World Trade Center they weren't trying to hit us until a decade later when they WERE successful.

I so have to laugh at Librul logic. :rofl

So what we are hearing now from Libruls is that we can expect a lull from the terrorists until at least after Obama's Presidency and therefore can become once again complacent like the Clinton years; dontchyaknow. ;)
 
Alright......I just watched Tom Ridge on Chris Matthew's show "Hardball" & here is my honest opinion his performance:

1. Ridge says in his book that he was concerned that politics was motivating some high ranking members of the Bush admin (Rumsfeld & Ashcroft) to recommend increasing the national threat warning levels just b4 the 2004 election.
2. That threat level was not raised as there was no security threat reason to do so.


Opinion:
Ridge is now trying to have it both ways in that:
.... 1. He wants his book to sell well
.... 2. He doesn't want to anger his GOP friends

PROBLEM:

He can't have it both ways.

The fact that the threat warning level was not raised does not negate the fact that he felt that politics...Not national security...was the real motivation some to try to get the threat level raised. (he felt strong enough about this to leave government service)



Ridge felt that our security situation was being used by some high ranking Bush officials to help get him (Bush) re-elected in 2004. Therefore, I think the Hatch Act was being violated at that meeting & that Ridge is now SPINNING to take back his words.

My opinion of Tom Ridge as an honest man has ended. He is just another partisan liar.
 
Gee, how many other interviews did you have to ignore, before you could find one you could twist to continue this fairytale?

You people just don't quit do you?

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Grim17 said:
Gee, how many other interviews did you have to ignore, before you could find one you could twist to continue this fairytale?

You people just don't quit do you?

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Only one I've seen with Ridge since his book came out.
 
Devil505 said:
Alright......I just watched Tom Ridge on Chris Matthew's show "Hardball" & here is my honest opinion his performance:

1. Ridge says in his book that he was concerned that politics was motivating some high ranking members of the Bush admin (Rumsfeld & Ashcroft) to recommend increasing the national threat warning levels just b4 the 2004 election.
2. That threat level was not raised as there was no security threat reason to do so.


Opinion:
Ridge is now trying to have it both ways in that:
.... 1. He wants his book to sell well
.... 2. He doesn't want to anger his GOP friends

PROBLEM:

He can't have it both ways.

The fact that the threat warning level was not raised does not negate the fact that he felt that politics...Not national security...was the real motivation some to try to get the threat level raised. (he felt strong enough about this to leave government service)



Ridge felt that our security situation was being used by some high ranking Bush officials to help get him (Bush) re-elected in 2004. Therefore, I think the Hatch Act was being violated at that meeting & that Ridge is now SPINNING to take back his words.

My opinion of Tom Ridge as an honest man has ended. He is just another partisan liar.
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There you go again. You repeatedly insist that Ridge said these things and you repeatedly refuse to show the quotes where he said it.
 
mpg said:
There you go again. You repeatedly insist that Ridge said these things and you repeatedly refuse to show the quotes where he said it.
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Fair complaint. His book is out now.I'll see if I can get quotes.
Better still...I think Ridge will be on with Rachel Maddow tonite at 9:00pm EST. Watch the interview & decide for yourself.

Edit: Watch the Hardball interview yourself

Hardball with Chris Matthews
 
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Here's the Chris Matthews interview with Tom Ridge:
(Matthews takes direct quotes from Ridge's book & asks Ridge about them)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH5LSG8OMbY"]YouTube - Chris Matthews Interviews Tom Ridge on Terror Alerts, New Book[/ame]
 
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Devil505 said:
Same suggestion for you: Ridge will be on with Rachel Maddow MSNBC tonite at 9:00pm EST. Watch the interview & decide for yourself.

Edit: Watch the Hardball interview yourself

Hardball with Chris Matthews
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Just watched it. "At no time, at no time, AT NO TIME, did politics enter anybody's equation."
 
Truth Detector said:
Ah yes, the old "let's pretend they are not trying to attack us because they weren’t successful" argument.

So using your logic, after the first attempt to destroy the World Trade Center they weren't trying to hit us until a decade later when they WERE successful.

I so have to laugh at Librul logic. :rofl

So what we are hearing now from Libruls is that we can expect a lull from the terrorists until at least after Obama's Presidency and therefore can become once again complacent like the Clinton years; dontchyaknow. ;)
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Sigh... Maybe you should go back and read his post with the intention of comprehending it this time.
 
RightOfCenter said:
Just watched it. "At no time, at no time, AT NO TIME, did politics enter anybody's equation."
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Why do you deny that Ridge himself says he wondered if politics was the motive. Unless Ridge is a mind reader, he has no way of now knowing that it wasn't.

My guess is that Ridge, once the U.S. Atty for Pennsylvania, suddenly realized that his book had charged his former friends with serious criminal charges & now he is contorting himself into knots to try to backpedal.
 
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After watching both the Mathews & Maddow interviews with Mr. Ridge, I can't imagine how anyone could seriously argue against the following:

1. That Mr. Ridge, by his own admission in his book (& corroborated as his words), was wondering if politics.....not concern over national security was the real motivation for some members of those meetings to recommend raising the threat level.
2. That Mr. Ridge has no way of knowing, either then or now, what was going through the minds of some (Rumsfeld & Ashcroft) as to why they recommended raising the threat level. Politics may well have been their motivation. Only they know for sure, not Mr. Ridge.
3. The fact that the threat levels were not raised, in no way negates the (possibly politically motivated) attempts to raise them. (it would be like a bank robber, thwarted by his gun jamming, using as a defense that he didn't actually succeed in getting any money from the bank & therefore no crime was committed)
4. Therefore, Mr. Ridge was in fact concerned that Bush administration personnel may have been trying to use their Executive Branch positions to effect an election, which is a criminal violation of U.S.law.

IMO, this matter warrants further investigation to determine if any laws were broken.
 
So now, since Tom Ridge has said conclusively that he was not accusing the Bush Administration of politicizing the terror alert system, you all have determined that that doesn't matter. Since Tom Ridge couldn't possibly know, it must have happened.

I love how the liberal mind works. lololololololololol

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Grim17 said:
So now, since Tom Ridge has said conclusively that he was not accusing the Bush Administration of politicizing the terror alert system, you all have determined that that doesn't matter. Since Tom Ridge couldn't possibly know, it must have happened.

I love how the liberal mind works. lololololololololol

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Simply pretending that Ridge wasn't concerned about his perceived politicization of our national security doesn't make it so.;)
 
Devil505 said:
Why do you deny that Ridge himself says he wondered if politics was the motive. Unless Ridge is a mind reader, he has no way of now knowing that it wasn't.

My guess is that Ridge, once the U.S. Atty for Pennsylvania, suddenly realized that his book had charged his former friends with serious criminal charges & now he is contorting himself into knots to try to backpedal.
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It would be back pedaling if Ridge actually made those accusations but noone has shown that he did.
 
Devil505 said:
Simply pretending that Ridge wasn't concerned about his perceived politicization of our national security doesn't make it so.;)
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If I'm concerned about whether or not John Doe murdered someone that doesn't make it ok for you to call John Doe a murderer. How can you possibly disagree with that?
 
mpg said:
It would be back pedaling if Ridge actually made those accusations but noone has shown that he did.
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Good point... The fact is, he never accused the administration in the first place.

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