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Democratic investigators target health insurers

I think companies should be able to pay officers whatever they want to.

But they shouldn't be able to call 8 figure salaries a "legitimate business expense" on their corporate tax return.

Nobody could get rich selling insurance or computer software without all the infrastructure our ancestors toiled to build for them.
 
Redress said:
When you adopt an insulting tone, and throw out insults, you lose any chance of being taken seriously.
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You mean like Bwarney Fwank?

Why do you continue to support a Nazi policy, as Obama has?” the young lady asked during the two-hour town hall meeting on health care in Dartmouth, Mass.

Replied Frank, who is of Jewish extraction: “I am going to refer my ethnic heritage, and answer your question with a question. On what planet do you spend most of your time?”

He added: “It’s a tribute to the First Amendment that this kind of vile, contemptible nonsense is so freely propagated. Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table.” See it here:
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The CNN world, the Fox News world, and Barney Frank | Political Insider
 
a777pilot said:
The you are both wrong.

If you want to regulate an industry that effects the health care the most why aren't you both screaming to regulate the Trail Lawyers and the Medical profession?
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Uh...gee, I dunno. Maybe because the topic of the thread happens to be health insurers and not lawyers and medical profession? Just a guess...

Tort reform and oversight of doctors, nurses and hospitals should be the first places to start to reform the health care industry. Not the insurance companies and especially turning over everything to the federal government.
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I do believe, if I'm not mistaken, that I stated clearly, in plain English, that oversight of health insurers should be "PART" of the healthcare overhaul. Now I don't know what that means to you, but to most of us who speak English as a first language, that means "this, in addition to". :doh
 
a777pilot said:
What color is the sky where you live?
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Its rather overcast right now, and if it's your contention that any bill in committee right now before congress would nationalize the health care system then please quote the sections of the bill that would place all health care providers under the government's employ and would extend some kind of a single payer system to all Americans.
 
Redress said:
You mean like Barney Frank, a gay Jewish man responded to some one who accused him of supporting Nazi policies. In other words, he responded to lies and rudeness with humor.
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No, I was pointing out that the insulting and name calling makes it impossible to take some people (Frank) seriously.... Duh. :roll:
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Its rather overcast right now, and if it's your contention that any bill in committee right now before congress would nationalize the health care system then please quote the sections of the bill that would place all health care providers under the government's employ and would extend some kind of a single payer system to all Americans.
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Gee, I don't know. Maybe the words of Bobo Himself, that He would not sign a bill that does not have a public option.

Give me a break. I'm tired of the lies of Bobo and His minions.


Obama lies and Freedoms die!
 
a777pilot said:
Gee, I don't know. Maybe the words of Bobo Himself, that He would not sign a bill that does not have a public option.
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Ok, but assuming they have a public option, how would that nationalize the entire health care system? Has Medicare nationalized the entire health care system?
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Ok, but assuming they have a public option, how would that nationalize the entire health care system? Has Medicare nationalized the entire health care system?
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No, but Medicare is going insolvent... if they can't get that right, why the hell do people think they can get a "public option" right?


Seriously.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, but Medicare is going insolvent... if they can't get that right, why the hell do people think they can get a "public option" right?


Seriously.
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You do know that "health care" isn't about health care.... right? It's all about power, power over every aspect of everybodies life.
 
missypea said:
I suspect it has something to do with insurance companies denying coverage to patients while offering their staff golden parachutes and bonus'.

.......but I could be wrong.
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The bigs wigs are going to get sweetheart packages, anyway. Employees are just like anything else, you get what you pay for. If you hire a $20,000 a year hand, you get $20,000 worth of performance. If you hire a $100,000 a year hand, you get $100,000 worth of performance.

The government has no right, nor authority to look into comapny salaries. This is illegal and should be dealth with.
 
MrVicchio said:
No, but Medicare is going insolvent... if they can't get that right, why the hell do people think they can get a "public option" right?
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Medicare has been a wonderful program, we do periodically have to adjust it because people are living longer and having less children, and of course health care costs that are twice as much as any other country..
 
Joe1991 said:
Medicare has been a wonderful program, we do periodically have to adjust it because people are living longer and having less children, and of course health care costs that are twice as much as any other country..
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I would rather have kept my benefits as a retired Marine or a retired pilot but I was not given the option.
 
Joe1991 said:
Medicare has been a wonderful program, we do periodically have to adjust it because people are living longer and having less children, and of course health care costs that are twice as much as any other country..
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Thanks for repeating the party line...

Medicare Insolvent In 8 Years

We're officially past the point where Social Security and Medicare insolvency are far-off problems that we can ignore.

Medicare is going bust sooner than we expected. And this isn't some crazy, partisan rambling. This is coming straight from the government, which just updated their numbers based on new tax data. Here's what Tim Geithner said in a statement:

"The Medicare Trustees Report makes clear today there is no more important long-term fiscal policy measure than gaining control of the growth of Medicare costs by delivering health care services more efficiently. These savings can only be achieved in the context of a larger effort to control health care costs and improve quality more generally. The most effective entitlement reform measure will be a major health reform that helps bring down the growth rate of national health care spending. The Administration is committed to working with Congress to find ways to control runaway growth in both public and private health care expenditures while helping to ensure that all Americans receive the high quality, affordable health care they deserve. The recent commitment of major health stakeholders to help lower the annual growth rate in costs by 1.5% represents a crucial step in that direction.

"The Trustees Reports come to the following conclusions.

The Medicare program's financial challenges are larger and more imminent than those of Social Security. Medicare faces demographic challenges, rapidly growing health care costs and the short-term outlook has been hurt by the recession. Medicare's annual costs were 3.2 percent of GDP in 2008, or nearly three-quarters of Social Security's, but are projected to surpass Social Security expenditures in 2028 and to reach 11.4 percent of GDP in 2083, compared with 5.9 percent for Social Security.
Medicare's Hospital Insurance Trust Fund is projected to become insolvent in 2017, two years earlier than projected in last year's Report.
The cost of Medicare's Supplementary Medical Insurance (SMI) to the federal government is projected to increase rapidly. General revenue financing for SMI is expected to increase from about 1.3 percent of GDP in 2008 to over 4.7 percent in 2083, with continued increases beyond 75 years.
As you can see, Geithner takes a measured tone in his writing, but this really is an extremely urgent crisis.

That being said, there is good news, when you take a step back. Big picture, it's not about funding Medicare or Social Security (which had its lifespan clipped by four years) it's about taking care of old people. That's not necessarily or the same thing. Medicare and Social Security may not be sustainable, but a rich society should be able to care for aged retirees.
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Wonderful program...:roll:
 
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Crunch said:
You do know that "health care" isn't about health care.... right? It's all about power, power over every aspect of everybodies life.
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Yeah, that's it. It's a sekret plot of us liberals to get control over every one's lives. You caught us, I admit it.

Gawd, do you even think before you post, or just figure since Rush told you it was true, it must be?
 
Redress said:
Yeah, that's it. It's a sekret plot of us liberals to get control over every one's lives. You caught us, I admit it.

Gawd, do you even think before you post, or just figure since Rush told you it was true, it must be?
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I don't listen to Rush. He's a blow hard.

I don't listen to Bobo. He's a fool.
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Its rather overcast right now, and if it's your contention that any bill in committee right now before congress would nationalize the health care system then please quote the sections of the bill that would place all health care providers under the government's employ and would extend some kind of a single payer system to all Americans.
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PBO has stated that single-payer is the goal.
 
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