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Democrats Seem Set to Go Alone on a Health Bill

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Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

Providing the currency doesnt collapse by then.

No, then it'll be 1994 to the Nth degree.

(Before any of you read anything into that, NO, I DO NOT WANT THE DOLLAR TO COLLAPSE.)
 
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DRUDGE REPORT 2009®

According to the Drudge Headline, the Dem's are gonna use their majority and push some sort of healthcare through, without Bi-Partisan input.

Waiting to see what comes up next. They do this, and 2010 will be 1994 all over again.

If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.

So long as they pass a bill with co-ops or just anything other than something with an expressly defined public option in it, everyone other than the right wingers will have forgotten about this by the elections in 2010. The 2010 elections will be more about the economy than anything else.
 
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If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.

So long as they pass a bill with co-ops or just anything other than something with an expressly defined public option in it, everyone other than the right wingers will have forgotten about this by the elections in 2010. The 2010 elections will be more about the economy than anything else.

Really? You think 1994 was a GOP Success.. because the Dem's FAILED to pass "Hillarycare"? REALLY?
:shock:
 
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Really? You think 1994 was a GOP Success.. because the Dem's FAILED to pass "Hillarycare"? REALLY?
:shock:

It was a GOP success because the Democrats failed at their healthcare reform attempts and because there were a large number of scandals affecting congressional Democrats at the time.

Your chances of taking back congress next year are next to nothing and even worse than that if you don't allow moderates into the party. You guys are in this echo chamber and you don't realize how far outside the mainstream you are.

The GOP will probably pick up between 10 and 20 seats next year in the House.
 
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It was a GOP success because the Democrats failed at their healthcare reform attempts and because there were a large number of scandals affecting congressional Democrats at the time.

Your chances of taking back congress next year are next to nothing and even worse than that if you don't allow moderates into the party. You guys are in this echo chamber and you don't realize how far outside the mainstream you are.

The GOP will probably pick up between 10 and 20 seats next year in the House.

Wanna put some money on that? Say a friendly $5 dollar wager, if IF the dem's pass "healthcare reform" I'll bet those lose 21+ seats. If they do, you owe me. If they do not, I'll send you a fiver.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

DRUDGE REPORT 2009®

According to the Drudge Headline, the Dem's are gonna use their majority and push some sort of healthcare through, without Bi-Partisan input.

Waiting to see what comes up next. They do this, and 2010 will be 1994 all over again.

or 1770....
 
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thanks for the update

this can be seen, more than anything, as a white house that has spun its dizzy head silly

that is, just a few hours ago, they were signalling the opposite

yesterday, mr boyd of florida said he'd never vote for the thing, and more than that, house leadership was considering scrapping all and starting over again

boyd's a bluedog, and last week it was the freshmen, perriello and kratovil, who assured angry town halls they would never support waxman/rangel

point one---boyd, perriello and kratovil are much more level headed in their comments than this zany white house

ms sebelius said what she said sunday, then took it back

gibbs said they haven't changed a word but the signs have been there all along

point two---this white house is making it up as it goes along and changes like a moody teenager every five minutes

don't worry about this at all, see it more as sheer desperate talk from leadership

they have NO IDEA what they're gonna do after recess

and never forget the landscape which, unlike obama's moods, aint gonna change

he does not have the votes to get a public option thru senate

not even close

so he's threatening to go the schumer route?

reconciliation, and 51 votes?

that's suicide, patently

i sincerely do not believe he has 51

and if he tries to radically rewrite 16% of the economy on such a crassly political loophole---he won't have 51

this is silly season at its least serious

it's an important story you break, thanks

but it does not mean the white house is gonna go schumer

NO WAY will the white house go reconciliation

they'd have to reup whatever provisions every single year

reconciliation has no muscle

and it, most specifically, has no LEGITIMACY

all see it for what it is, partisanship at its worst

if he even TRIED, he'd be deader than he is now

really, this headline from grey lady nyt makes me LOLOLOLOL!!!

hilariously, LOLOLOLOL!

100 times more lily livered than jimmy carter, mr vacillation himself

this white house does not have a CLUE what it's doing

the grownups are rolling their eyes

baucus, conrad, bayh...

even john kerry and difi---they too have been mentioned by howard dean's groups as senators who may need to be targeted by attack ads

trust me, this aint going nowhere

the mere floating of it is absurd, desperation, weakness, silliness

it would pass the house, that's true

but it's not even close in the senate, it won't even be tried

it's half bluff and half kiss up to the lefties who are so hurt

and it specifically undermines what mr baucus is trying to accomplish with his ubiquitous six

i'd be shocked at the amateurishness if i hadn't seen so much already

this actually sets back his ambitions severely, it undercuts what the negotiators are trying to get done in the gateway, senate finance

thanks for the scoop, good job

cliff
 
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I agree that if the Democrat do this, it will be 1994 all over again. Nothing will energize people into voting Conservative more than passing this plan as it currently is written.

And by the way, Republicans took over in 1994 because Democrats tried to pass universal healthcare, not because they could not pass it.
 
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And by the way, Republicans took over in 1994 because Democrats tried to pass universal healthcare, not because they could not pass it.

That is not really accurate to my mind. 1994 was about a strong positive message on the part of republicans. I don't care for Newt, but he did a brilliant job with the Contract with America. Thankfully, republicans have apparently not learned the lesson from that election. Unfortunately, neither have the democrats.
 
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yes, and while you have the nyt saying that dems are going to do what they've threatened, on and off, for a month, you have the other half of the party (far more reasonably, and much more in accord with the mood of america) suggesting the exact opposite

this is a desperate dem leadership completely outta control, it's lost grip, and it has no idea how to get it back

the only course for obama, if he wants to succeed, is to pare down, stick to a single point, rally his folks, stop the democratic infighting, establish leadership and direction, sell coherently to the people at large...

if he did THAT and had the right package (pre existing conditions, portability, maybe some kinda co op), he could get some gop votes even, he could get a bill

(actually, it's too late, he'd look like a phony now even if he went that route)

so sorry

a white house in flames runs around like keystone kops

very sad

cliff
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

If they fail, it will be 1994 again. It you remember, 1994 happened after the Democrats failed, not after they passed something.

So long as they pass a bill with co-ops or just anything other than something with an expressly defined public option in it, everyone other than the right wingers will have forgotten about this by the elections in 2010. The 2010 elections will be more about the economy than anything else.

We will get the public option, thank GOD! Seems the dems are getting it done finally:

House Dems Rally Behind Public Option In Weekly Caucus Gathering
 
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The Republicans decided from the beginning they were going to oppose any effective health care reform. So a Democrat solo mission was the only possible outcome from the very beginning.

We will get the public option, thank GOD!

Well, the House is easy. The Senate is the tricky part.
 
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republicans (should) have very little to do with this us

any small (but growing) role they're playing has been magnified by the incompetence of dem leadership, what with its sixty senators, 79 seat majority in the house, and other advantages

the civil war on the verge of breaking out within the party is purely due to leadership's horrible political gamesmanship

while bluedogs, freshmen, cbo, grownups (like conrad, baucus, difi, kerry) and most blue governors (bill richardson, christine gregoire, phil bredesen, bill ritter) counsel measured action and responsibility, on the other side 60 libs wrote a letter MONDAY to ms sebelius THREATENING to BOLT the party if they don't get what they want

House Dems warn Sebelius: No reform without public option - War Room - Salon.com
 
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Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

As you can see, the country has sooo much faith in the President.


The public option will be the death knell of the Dem's short lived control over the House, the Senate and the WH.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

As you can see, the country has sooo much faith in the President.


The public option will be the death knell of the Dem's short lived control over the House, the Senate and the WH.

We know that's what you are desperately praying for....because the converse would be pure hell for you. If the economy improves...which is looks like is happening...and healthcare reform turns out to be successful, it will be complete disaster for the GOP and conservatives in general.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

thanks for the update

this can be seen, more than anything, as a white house that has spun its dizzy head silly

that is, just a few hours ago, they were signalling the opposite

yesterday, mr boyd of florida said he'd never vote for the thing, and more than that, house leadership was considering scrapping all and starting over again

boyd's a bluedog, and last week it was the freshmen, perriello and kratovil, who assured angry town halls they would never support waxman/rangel

point one---boyd, perriello and kratovil are much more level headed in their comments than this zany white house

ms sebelius said what she said sunday, then took it back

gibbs said they haven't changed a word but the signs have been there all along

point two---this white house is making it up as it goes along and changes like a moody teenager every five minutes

don't worry about this at all, see it more as sheer desperate talk from leadership

they have NO IDEA what they're gonna do after recess

and never forget the landscape which, unlike obama's moods, aint gonna change

he does not have the votes to get a public option thru senate

not even close

so he's threatening to go the schumer route?

reconciliation, and 51 votes?

that's suicide, patently

i sincerely do not believe he has 51

and if he tries to radically rewrite 16% of the economy on such a crassly political loophole---he won't have 51

this is silly season at its least serious

it's an important story you break, thanks

but it does not mean the white house is gonna go schumer

NO WAY will the white house go reconciliation

they'd have to reup whatever provisions every single year

reconciliation has no muscle

and it, most specifically, has no LEGITIMACY

all see it for what it is, partisanship at its worst

if he even TRIED, he'd be deader than he is now

really, this headline from grey lady nyt makes me LOLOLOLOL!!!

hilariously, LOLOLOLOL!

100 times more lily livered than jimmy carter, mr vacillation himself

this white house does not have a CLUE what it's doing

the grownups are rolling their eyes

baucus, conrad, bayh...

even john kerry and difi---they too have been mentioned by howard dean's groups as senators who may need to be targeted by attack ads

trust me, this aint going nowhere

the mere floating of it is absurd, desperation, weakness, silliness

it would pass the house, that's true

but it's not even close in the senate, it won't even be tried

it's half bluff and half kiss up to the lefties who are so hurt

and it specifically undermines what mr baucus is trying to accomplish with his ubiquitous six

i'd be shocked at the amateurishness if i hadn't seen so much already

this actually sets back his ambitions severely, it undercuts what the negotiators are trying to get done in the gateway, senate finance

thanks for the scoop, good job

cliff

This way you have of posting is astonishingly annoying.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

We know that's what you are desperately praying for....because the converse would be pure hell for you. If the economy improves...which is looks like is happening...and healthcare reform turns out to be successful, it will be complete disaster for the GOP and conservatives in general.

You are presupposing a rational general public. Such a public does not exist.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

We know that's what you are desperately praying for....because the converse would be pure hell for you. If the economy improves...which is looks like is happening...and healthcare reform turns out to be successful, it will be complete disaster for the GOP and conservatives in general.


I must, disagree wholeheartedly.

I'd be all for plans that helped America, made it stronger...

The economy is not improving, one blip does not an improvement make, and "healthcare reform" as the Dem's want it is NOT going to be good for us, at all.

So, that's where you are wrong. Government cannot fix these problems by taking an active role in them. Just... cannot do it.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

You are presupposing a rational general public. Such a public does not exist.

I have very little faith in the general public. But I do know that they respond to certain things, mainly the economy and national security. If the economy improves, the GOP is in deep trouble.
 
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I must, disagree wholeheartedly.

I'd be all for plans that helped America, made it stronger...

The economy is not improving, one blip does not an improvement make, and "healthcare reform" as the Dem's want it is NOT going to be good for us, at all.

So, that's where you are wrong. Government cannot fix these problems by taking an active role in them. Just... cannot do it.

I must wholeheartedly disagree. Deregulation and letting business police itself, policies big in the GOP/conservative world are what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

Medicare actually operates quite well. You take the "for profit" corporations and CEO's out of healthcare, put some real restrictions on frivilous lawsuits and everyone benefits.
 
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I have very little faith in the general public. But I do know that they respond to certain things, mainly the economy and national security. If the economy improves, the GOP is in deep trouble.

The general public (including Democrats minus the liberals and some of the moderates) believes Reagan's Administration was a success because the 80s were prosperous. That pretty much speaks for their attention span and capacity for investigating and processing information -- that is, keeping track of what is going on and why things are the way they are. Provided they remain that way and the Republican Party remains unscrupulous, no successes of the Democratic Party represent a tangible threat.
 
Re: Nyt: Dems plan to go it alone on heathcare... Developing...

I must wholeheartedly disagree. Deregulation and letting business police itself, policies big in the GOP/conservative world are what has gotten us into this mess in the first place.

Medicare actually operates quite well. You take the "for profit" corporations and CEO's out of healthcare, put some real restrictions on frivilous lawsuits and everyone benefits.

The falsity of this claim has been explained to you numerous times. Why do you keep repeating this lie?
 
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