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Analysis: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises [edited]

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Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
(They're starting to get it).



There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
 
Re: Liberals tired of healthcare compromises

Their problem is not the Republicans. They have solid majorities and the Republicans were not going to vote for any bill they put forth anyway because there are hardly any moderates at all left in the Republican party.

The Democrats have to get the moderate and blue dog Democrats on board, that is their problem.
 
Yeah, there's just one problem in that not all Democrats are as far left as the leaders of the Democratic party. As such, they are concerned about things like a balanced budget and what the people really want.
 
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Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
(They're starting to get it).



There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.

As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.

Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
 
Yeah, there's just one problem in that not all Democrats are as far left as the leaders of the Democratic party. As such, they are concerned about things like a balanced budget and what the people really want.

Not to mention having to flip burgers at McDonalds if they don't listen to their constituates from now on.
 
Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.


That is correct.
 
AMEN!

Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News

Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)

"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)

Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.

For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans
(They're starting to get it).



There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.

The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.

Yep,,, I agree. Let the Liberals stand up, and try to pass a Bill that steals from everyone,,, and 'Empowers" the Govt. to control your every move.:lol:

What better way to expose the "Brain-Dead"? :lol: By all means, Vote.:roll:
 
As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.

Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.

Actually, I don't think most people will care in a few months if a bill is passed without Republican support because the bill won't affect most people. The Democrats stand far more to lose if they fail to pass anything than if they pass a bill with little to no Republican support.

You are right though, the Democratic party has only itself to blame if it cant get something passed. If they are smart, they will take what they can get, pass something, and then claim victory.
 
As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.

Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.

I agree....Democrats have nobody but the spineless Democrats to blame.

Look, passing legislation without Republican would be nothing new here. From Day 1 the Republicans drew a line in the sand and said "We are the party of no"....be it with the Stimulus and a host of other issues. This is no different.
Obama wants to be able to say this was bi-partisan. Its not going to happen. The GOP is not willing to pass anything....so screw em. They will simply look that much more out of touch when America has meaningful healthcare reform and the economy rebounds.

You are right....without the GOP, the Democrats will get all the blame...or quite possibly all the glory.
 
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Actually, I don't think most people will care in a few months if a bill is passed without Republican support because the bill won't affect most people. The Democrats stand far more to lose if they fail to pass anything than if they pass a bill with little to no Republican support.

You are right though, the Democratic party has only itself to blame if it cant get something passed. If they are smart, they will take what they can get, pass something, and then claim victory.

The impact on the budget will certainly affect everyone, and depending on the final shape of the bill, the rest of it may as well.

I agree that the dems will lose out among their party if they fail to pass anything, but if they pass a Dem-only bill that ends up being viewed as a failure, then they can't resort to "well it was bipartisan" like the Reps did with things like Patriot Act, etc.
 
The impact on the budget will certainly affect everyone, and depending on the final shape of the bill, the rest of it may as well.

I agree that the dems will lose out among their party if they fail to pass anything, but if they pass a Dem-only bill that ends up being viewed as a failure, then they can't resort to "well it was bipartisan" like the Reps did with things like Patriot Act, etc.

What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?
 
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?

Then they will reap the rewards at the ballot box. That's how elections work.
 
The impact on the budget will certainly affect everyone, and depending on the final shape of the bill, the rest of it may as well.

I agree that the dems will lose out among their party if they fail to pass anything, but if they pass a Dem-only bill that ends up being viewed as a failure, then they can't resort to "well it was bipartisan" like the Reps did with things like Patriot Act, etc.

The thing is, as both Reagan and Bush proved, no one loses elections due to big deficits.

The Republican Party has moved pretty far to the right and well outside of the mainstream of America. They are largely beholden to hard core activists in the base and conservative media. There is no chance of anything drawing bipartisan support with Republicans. The Limbaughs and Glen Becks out there just wont have it.

Most Americans are pragmatic and moderate, there problem with Democrats right now is that they believe the Democrats are trying to do too much and spend too much instead of focusing on nothing but economic recovery. That does not mean that they are all of a sudden resurrecting that long gone Reagan Coalition again though. They are pissed off at the Democrats right now, but they hate Republicans.
 
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?

Same thing as if pigs were to fly.
 
Except that they've never been THAT big before.

Except for during the Depression and its not like FDR had any trouble winning elections. People care about the economy, thats all they really care about.

The economy will probably be slowly rebounding next year with unemployment still fairly high around election time so the Republicans will probably pick up 10 to 20 seats in the house. They are not going to be a majority party again though until they start allowing moderates back in the party again.
 
Yep,,, I agree. Let the Liberals stand up, and try to pass a Bill that steals from everyone,,, and 'Empowers" the Govt. to control your every move.:lol:

What better way to expose the "Brain-Dead"? :lol: By all means, Vote.:roll:

Your analysis of the proposed bill is brain dead.
 
2010 will be about the economy and not much else, barring some major unforeseen event. Healthcare will not be a significant consideration I don't think.
 
Yep,,, I agree. Let the Liberals stand up, and try to pass a Bill that steals from everyone,,, and 'Empowers" the Govt. to control your every move.:lol:

What better way to expose the "Brain-Dead"? :lol: By all means, Vote.:roll:

Why would they do that? There is no such bill on the table to vote for.
 
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?

This is what i am hoping for! :). They have had their chance and have now lost it. The party of NO can go away.
 
Bipartisanship is a waste of time because the Republican Party is intrinsically incapable of bipartisanship. The Democrats consist of what . . . liberals, moderates, populists, some fiscal conservatives, and even a 'socialist' or two. Bipartisanship is a lifestyle for the party in its own ranks, which is why it is hell to get them to pass anything even when they constitute a majority. The Republicans don't have any such obstacle; they run off anyone who voices a dissenting view. That a decades long staple like McCain can get away with being considered the 'Maverick' of the party is testimony enough of that.

Pretty much every move the congressional Republicans make from now to 2012 can be calculated by the following variables:

1. What will screw up and confuse anything -- anything at all -- the Democrats attempt to do?

2. How can we make the party's successes look like failures and their failures appear ten times worse than they actually are?
 
This is a lesson that the Dems really need to take from the GOP. Sometimes going it alone is the bravest and the smartest political move.

The GOP has put all their eggs in one basket. They didn't have many eggs to begin with. This could be the end of the GOP if it succeeds. That's why they are so desperate to try to stop it.
 
This is a lesson that the Dems really need to take from the GOP. Sometimes going it alone is the bravest and the smartest political move.

The GOP has put all their eggs in one basket. They didn't have many eggs to begin with. This could be the end of the GOP if it succeeds. That's why they are so desperate to try to stop it.

Yea, that's it. I mean, we survived through everything else, but the prospect of a government health plan is going to be the death of us.

Where are you getting this ****?
 
If the dems ever thought the cons were serious about negotiations Sen. Jon Kyl effectively dispelled that notion.

It's looking more like they need to convince the bluedogs that may not fully support the bill to not hold the measure to a 'super majority' vote.

Kyl: Concessions won't win over GOP

The Senate Republican whip, speaking to reporters on a conference call from his home state of Arizona, said that even if the Democrats do away with a government-run insurance option, the GOP most likely won't support the bill that's being written in the Senate.

[...]

Sen. Chuck Grassley, a key Republican negotiator, has suggested that a bill that fails to win over most of his colleagues probably won't win his support either.

[...]

...Kyl said that a revenue-neutral bill probably won't get much GOP support either.

[...]

On the nonprofit insurance cooperatives...Kyl said it was a "Trojan horse."


Kyl: Concessions won't win over GOP - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com
 
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