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Conservatives Now Outnumber Liberals in All 50 States, Says Gallup Poll

Crunch said:
Why don’t people use polls from real polling companies?… here is one with a track record for accuracy.

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Why didn't you actually link to Rasmussen? Afraid some one might notice this:

Overall, 49% of voters say they at least somewhat approve of the President's performance. Fifty percent (50%) disapprove.
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Not quite as nice for you as the chart you post, and makes the numbers Lerxst gave(with a link) pretty believable.

source: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
 
SouthernDemocrat said:
Most people that call themselves moderate, conservatives would call liberal.
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As someone once said to me, if you stand at the far side of the room, anyone even close to the middle of the room looks like they're standing on the other side from your perspective.

Lerxst said:
Real Clear Politics-President Obama Job Approval. 53.4% approve, 40.3% disapprove, with a +13.1. If the majority of Americans (according to this poll) were truly conservative Obama's approval numbers should be much worse.
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Obama has been in office for 7 months, his approval is hardly a measure of how conservative America is; besides, have you never heard of "Conservative Democrats"?
 
Redress said:
Why didn't you actually link to Rasmussen? Afraid some one might notice this:



Not quite as nice for you as the chart you post, and makes the numbers Lerxst gave(with a link) pretty believable.

source: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports
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The chart tracks extreme opinions, whether it be extreme approval or extreme disapproval. In some respects, this is a better method of evaluating public opinion, since those who only mildly approve possibly just say such because they don't have much of an opinion yet.
 
RightinNYC said:
This is how party ID polls always work, because there's really no other way to do it. You're right that it's not ideal in terms of a static conclusion, but it is useful to look at trends.
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Possibly, but when the subject of study has x definitions where x is the number of polled, what use is that? There are self proclaimed "Conservatives" here who have supported notions that many liberals on this site find excessive leftist. Just because you call yourself whatever does not mean you actually hold those beliefs.

What use is studying a subject that you cannot even uniformally define?
 
Dav said:
The chart tracks extreme opinions, whether it be extreme approval or extreme disapproval. In some respects, this is a better method of evaluating public opinion, since those who only mildly approve possibly just say such because they don't have much of an opinion yet.
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Yes, but he used to to counter Lerxst's numbers. To counter them, he showed a chart of something different, and did not bother to provide a link so we could get the numbers that measure the same thing as Lerxst. When you look at those numbers, you discover that Rasmussen basically agrees with the numbers Lerxst provided. I don't have a problem with using just the "strongly" numbers, I just don't like the dishonesty Crunch showed.
 
Erod said:
Yup. My 80-year-old grandmother wouldn't leave the Democratic party for anything. She worshiped Bill Clinton.

Uh, she left the party. She hates Pelosi, and she can't believe her party has gone "haywire", as she puts it.
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My life long Democrat Mother has vowed to vote Republican now...She hates Obama and Pelosi.
 
So, what you're saying is that nothing has changed since the election.

Then a strong fiscal conservative candidate ought to clean up in 2012.

Wrong. The marriage of convenience to the religious right won't allow for that.

I honestly hope that changes--time for a divorce.
 
danarhea said:
Easy answer to that one. When Republicans abandon Conservatism, the people speak up at the ballot box (or by not voting at all), and Republicans then lose.
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I was almost one of those Conservatives that either stayed home or voted for someone else.McCain pissed me off too many times but in the end I voted for him as an anti Obama vote.
 
obvious Child said:
Possibly, but when the subject of study has x definitions where x is the number of polled, what use is that? There are self proclaimed "Conservatives" here who have supported notions that many liberals on this site find excessive leftist. Just because you call yourself whatever does not mean you actually hold those beliefs.

What use is studying a subject that you cannot even uniformally define?
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It's incredibly useful, as almost everything is subjective. Think about approval polls - whether the president is doing a "good job" is entirely subject to a person's definition of a good job. Nevertheless, approval ratings are very good proxies for support for a candidate.

Furthermore, your point doesn't address the fact that even if the poll is useless alone, there's nothing to indicate that it's not useful in determining trends.
 
hazlnut said:
So, what you're saying is that nothing has changed since the election.

Then a strong fiscal conservative candidate ought to clean up in 2012.

Wrong. The marriage of convenience to the religious right won't allow for that.

I honestly hope that changes--time for a divorce.
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I'm thinking the GOP needs to strike an even balance between the religious right and the moderate right.Dont kiss the religious rights ass so much and instead preach fiscal responsiblity and small government...And mean it.
 
40% of Americans consider themselves Conservative or Very Conservatives? That would still leave 60% of Americans to the left of conservatives and the very conservatives wouldn't it? I call myself a liberal but I wouldn't vote for Nancy Pelosi if I lived in their constituencies. Saying that Obama's policies are to blame for this is pretty silly. Moderates came out overwhelmingly for Obama. When 50% of Americans consider themselves Conservative then wake me up.
 
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Crunch said:
Why don’t people use polls from real polling companies?… here is one with a track record for accuracy.

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Ummmm....do you actually know what "Real Clear Politics" is? If I were you I would click the link. The secrets in the recipe...but I'll never tell. ;)

Real polling companies...:rofl
 
Hatuey said:
When 50% of Americans consider themselves Conservative then wake me up.
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No need for 50%,all the GOP needs is a good candidate.
 
RightinNYC said:
It's incredibly useful, as almost everything is subjective.
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I suppose, particularly since idiots tend to think that one party is liberal and other is not. But from an ideological standpoint, this poll is utterly worthless.

Think about approval polls - whether the president is doing a "good job" is entirely subject to a person's definition of a good job. Nevertheless, approval ratings are very good proxies for support for a candidate.
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Because that is defining in terms of how you support a candidate and are likely to vote for them again. That's quite different from an ideological term that is not given any definition. Navy Pride in many cases displayed liberal ideas yet pretends to be a Conservative. What use is asking what people are when they support policies contrary to what they say they believe?

Furthermore, your point doesn't address the fact that even if the poll is useless alone, there's nothing to indicate that it's not useful in determining trends.
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I suppose so, but the lack of definition in the key term is real questionable.
 
Strucky said:
No need for 50%,all the GOP needs is a good candidate.
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And that's kind of the problem. Since the conservative base is on very shaky ground in moderate evolving GOP. See John McCain.
 
Lerxst said:
And that's kind of the problem. Since the conservative base is on very shaky ground in moderate evolving GOP. See John McCain.
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McCain was a piss poor choice.
 
Strucky said:
No need for 50%,all the GOP needs is a good candidate.
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I'm not holding my breath waiting for you guys to come up with somebody who I'd genuinely feel like they are a threat to Obama in 2012. Or do you already have one?
 
Hatuey said:
I'm not holding my breath waiting for you guys to come up with somebody who I'd genuinely feel like they are a threat to Obama in 2012. Or do you already have one?
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Old Romney could work.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm not holding my breath waiting for you guys to come up with somebody who I'd genuinely feel like they are a threat to Obama in 2012. Or do you already have one?
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your guess is as good as mine...So far the only one I MIGHT vote for is Tim Pawlenty,but that one is iffy at best at the moment.
 
RightinNYC said:
Old Romney could work.
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You're officially not allowed to speak to me anymore. Go in a corner. Shame on you for failing to understand the dynamics of a party who has as major driving force evangelical Christians who strongly criticized Romney's weakness on abortion in his own state.
 
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