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Iran’s Ahmadinejad accuses neighbors of serving Zionism

Apocalypse said:
And yes, Ahmad is in danger, he keeps making the wrong moves, it's only a matter of time before the world will get tired from his retarded hostility.
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Absolute tosh.

We will do nothing about Iran and we all know it.
It is wishful thinking on those who want another war.
 
Laila said:
Absolute tosh.

We will do nothing about Iran and we all know it.
It is wishful thinking on those who want another war.
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"Those who think of peace, shall prepare for a war". ;)

You do realize that nobody in Europe had thought that they'll be going to war with Germany until the morning of the 1st of September, 1939, right?
 
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Iran is and hasn't been a threat for at least nine years. How do I know?

Bush didn't invade thier country. Even Iraq was more of a threat than nuclear Iran. What are we debating about? Not doing anything about Iran has worked for 8 years, so why must Obama all of a sudden start now?
 
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JakeFromWI said:
Iran is and hasn't been a threat for at least nine years. How do I know?

Bush didn't invade thier country. Even Iraq was more of a threat than nuclear Iran. What are we debating about? Not doing anything about Iran has worked for 8 years, so why must Obama all of a sudden start now?
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A nuclear capability takes quite some years to develop.
 
JakeFromWI said:
Because we had no idea that was ever thier intention. Ahmidenijad and Kim Jung Ill were such sneaky devils over the past 8 years!
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You've missed the point, re-read the post.
 
Fine, and if Canada, Mexico, and England did the same thing in the Atlantic we certainly wouldn't use such rhetoric. We'd just strike first in "self defense." I see where Ahmidenijad is certainly coming from. Turkey wouldn't even let us use thier air space for the Iraq war 5 years ago. Obviously they are serving thier hegemonic interests for the pro-Isreali countries.
 
Laila said:
And who are you to judge for Iranians what direction should be.

I dislike this attitude many people have, this superior attitude.
How arrogant are we assume that we know what is better for them than they do.
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If you had Twitter you'd know what im advocating is basically what the Iranians want also :lol:

Anyway, who cares about the people, when you have a rouge nation ready to blast Europe off the face of the Earth? We think about our own well being first.

Then let Israel and ME deal with it.
No way should Europe get involved, it is not UK in danger. And no, i do not care about Israel.
If it truly fears for itself. Fight by yourself.
Same for Arab countries.
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The entire west is in danger. Im not advocating the toppling of Saudi Arabia who don't even have elections...im advocating the toppling of Iran, not because they are a theocracy, but because they pose a direct legitimate threat to you and me, and every American and European on this forum.

And iran is at the bottom of this 'threat' league.
Afghanistan deal with.
Somalia is becoming the new Afghanistan, deal with.
North Korea.
Syria
Latin America
SAUDI ARABIA.
We talk about threats and we ignore the biggest one to the entire world because they give us oil.
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If these countries do not threaten our well being, we dont care, and we will deal with it. What you are saying, to ignore Iran and allow it to go on with its duties, is sheer stupidity, and you've made yourself look worse by adding NK to the list.

This has nothing to do with saving millions of lives, the west do not care about lives.
Hundreds of thousands have died in the world with not a peep from the west, this is about control and solidfying power.
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Prove that the west doesn't care about western lives.
 
If you had Twitter you'd know what im advocating is basically what the Iranians want also
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The Iranians wanted a fair election with their favored candidate mostly running on domestic reforms. They want a a foreign government meddling in their country about as much as gore did during the 2000 Florida recount. Don't mistake domestic dissent for wanting outsiders to intervene.


Anyway, who cares about the people, when you have a rouge nation ready to blast Europe off the face of the Earth? We think about our own well being first.
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Iran has no intention of blasting Europe of the Earth, nor do they have the capability.

The entire west is in danger. Im not advocating the toppling of Saudi Arabia who don't even have elections...im advocating the toppling of Iran, not because they are a theocracy, but because they pose a direct legitimate threat to you and me, and every American and European on this forum.
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How exactly is that?
 
rathi said:
Iran has no intention of blasting Europe of the Earth, nor do they have the capability.
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They will certainly have this capability in the near future.
 
They will certainly have this capability in the near future.
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That is Israels priority. They are by far the most vulnerable target and if they think the nuclear problems is dangerous to ignore, they will deal with it.
 
rathi said:
That is Israels priority. They are by far the most vulnerable target and if they think the nuclear problems is dangerous to ignore, they will deal with it.
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Its not just Israel's priority when those nukes are facing in the same position as our arses. Or have we made it up? From what i last heard, we're building missile defence shields in eastern europe :doh

rathi said:
The Iranians wanted a fair election with their favored candidate mostly running on domestic reforms. They want a a foreign government meddling in their country about as much as gore did during the 2000 Florida recount. Don't mistake domestic dissent for wanting outsiders to intervene.
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As i have said, forget the people, its not what the people want here that im worried about. Its about the well being of the 1.2 odd billion people who live in Europe, and the 300 million odd in America. If the Iranian people too wanted Europe's position on the map altered by a bunch of bombs, i suppose we'd allow it? The Iranians have called upon the west for greater condemnation in there protests, that is meddling in affairs also. I wont buy it.




Iran has no intention of blasting Europe of the Earth, nor do they have the capability.
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Really? Because throwing UN spectators out and closing the curtains of everything done in nuclear power plants out there is giving of this assumption to you...how?
 
Its not just Israel's priority when those nukes are facing in the same position as our arses.
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Has Iran threatened to destroy Europe? Point to historical examples of Iran attacking Europe, even by proxy. Fact is, if the Iranian leadership is crazy enough to attack anyone with nukes, it is going to be Israel.

From what i last heard, we're building missile defence shields in eastern europe
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That has nothing to do with Iran. Poland and Iran aren't adversaries. I would suspect the Polish did it for political reasons because of Russia, or they just want an excellent air defense system and don't care about missiles.

As i have said, forget the people, its not what the people want here that im worried about. Its about the well being of the 1.2 odd billion people who live in Europe, and the 300 million odd in America.
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Its nice to be concerned, but what does that have to do with Iran?

If the Iranian people too wanted Europe's position on the map altered by a bunch of bombs, i suppose we'd allow it?
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What indication do you have that Iran wants to attack Europe? Especially considering that France and Britain could completely obliterate them in retaliation.

The Iranians have called upon the west for greater condemnation in there protests, that is meddling in affairs also. I wont buy it.
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If you think that condemning a nation and toppling their government are the same thing, you need to learn about perspective.

Really? Because throwing UN spectators out and closing the curtains of everything done in nuclear power plants out there is giving of this assumption to you...how?
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Iran does not currently possess nuclear weapons. They may in the future, but that is not the current state of things.
 
Apocalypse said:
I beg to differ.
A lot of nutjobs in this world should be toppled.
And what they do... and what they stand for... and what their aims are.
I don't understand.
You disagree with the overthrow of the Iranian government, and yet you say that someone should have overthrown Bush's government.

Please explain.
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Not good at all for one nation on this planet to decide which government is toppled.
Have we learned nothing....
Those who have..... set up the UN.
Nazi Germany ? Even this is controversial, I think this sickness should have been "cured" in the early 30s, better yet, the 20s, and by the Germans; after then it was too late.
 
Laila said:
No country is stupid enough (apart from Israel maybe) to take out another ME country.

And if Israel does do anything.
The west should feel no obligation to Israel at all imo
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Does Israel have the right of self-protection? In other words, does Israel have the right to exists as an independent State?
 
rathi said:
Has Iran threatened to destroy Europe? Point to historical examples of Iran attacking Europe, even by proxy. Fact is, if the Iranian leadership is crazy enough to attack anyone with nukes, it is going to be Israel.
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Iran hasn't also said it openly supports the destruction of Israel, it has however openly said that Israel's geographic position is unsuitable for the region. But we know Irans intentions for Israel, and as our close ally, if they are attacked by nucleur missiles because we as the west sat back and allowed them to create it in the first place, we will get involved, Israel being a close ally of ours, and when we do, Iran wont just have soldiers to use against us, but nukes. And people like you will be the reason why we allowed ourselves to get into that position in the first place. If a nation that has nothing to do with us is creating missiles of mass destruction with the intentions of dropping them onto a neighboring Democracy, we should sit back and not get involved because it has nothing to do with us? Are you an isolationist, or do you not believe in moral values on the foreign policy stage? This is 2009, not 1909.


That has nothing to do with Iran. Poland and Iran aren't adversaries. I would suspect the Polish did it for political reasons because of Russia, or they just want an excellent air defense system and don't care about missiles.
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The missile defence shield by NATO was established primarily to:

"Protect Europe from Rogue states in the Middle East". The US has insisted time and time again that Iran is one of them.



What indication do you have that Iran wants to attack Europe? Especially considering that France and Britain could completely obliterate them in retaliation.
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So could Israel. Iran funds terrorists groups that attack the west. For the right price, tell me what will stop them handing those nucleur weapons down to the terorrists? Indirectly or directly, allowing the state of Iran, made of Islamists, to arm themselves with WMD's, well, thats enough to prompt a response from every nation state. And you question why we should get involved? Ha.


If you think that condemning a nation and toppling their government are the same thing, you need to learn about perspective.
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I said condemning is the same as meddling in a nations affairs. And?



Iran does not currently possess nuclear weapons. They may in the future, but that is not the current state of things.
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Do you have proof of that?
 
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Iran hasn't also said it openly supports the destruction of Israel, it has however openly said that Israel's geographic position is unsuitable for the region. But we know Irans intentions for Israel, and as our close ally, if they are attacked by nucleur missiles because we as the west sat back and allowed them to create it in the first place, we will get involved, Israel being a close ally of ours, and when we do, Iran wont just have soldiers to use against us, but nukes.
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If Iran nukes Israel, Israel's retaliation is going to utterly devastate Iran. The Iranians aren't going to be able fight back effectively.

And people like you will be the reason why we allowed ourselves to get into that position in the first place. If a nation that has nothing to do with us is creating missiles of mass destruction with the intentions of dropping them onto a neighboring Democracy, we should sit back and not get involved because it has nothing to do with us? Are you an isolationist, or do you not believe in moral values on the foreign policy stage? This is 2009, not 1909.
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The U.S. gives Israel tons of aid money and weapons. They can use that money to defend themselves. Its not U.S. problem and Israel can take care of itself. Stupid interventionist policies are what created this whole mess in the first place.

The missile defence shield by NATO was established primarily to:

"Protect Europe from Rogue states in the Middle East". The US has insisted time and time again that Iran is one of them.
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And Iran just wants its nuclear power for peaceful purposes.:roll: Poland certainly has no reason to fear Iran, they obviously are getting something else out of the deal.

So could Israel. Iran funds terrorists groups that attack the west. For the right price, tell me what will stop them handing those nucleur weapons down to the terorrists? Indirectly or directly, allowing the state of Iran, made of Islamists, to arm themselves with WMD's, well, thats enough to prompt a response from every nation state. And you question why we should get involved? Ha.
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Iran has shown absolutely no tendency to give something as important as nuclear weapons to terrorists. The guys in power are very interested in staying in power, and getting obliterated is not in their interest.

I said condemning is the same as meddling in a nations affairs. And?
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No its not. Condemning is empty words that mean nothing, overthrowing a government changes a country for decades.

Do you have proof of that?
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Iran is currently in the process of trying to make nuclear weapons. Thus, they do not have any.
 
rathi said:
If Iran nukes Israel, Israel's retaliation is going to utterly devastate Iran. The Iranians aren't going to be able fight back effectively.
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Yeah, if any Israel is left, which is the point.



The U.S. gives Israel tons of aid money and weapons. They can use that money to defend themselves. Its not U.S. problem and Israel can take care of itself. Stupid interventionist policies are what created this whole mess in the first place.
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If Iran attacks Israel with a nucleur attack, it will utterly devastate the country and kill millions of Jews. And you condemn that type of intervention? You would prefer to sit back and watch the Iranians slaughter Jews with a rain of nucleur acid, whilst they annex every bit of Jewish land, in the name of not intervening? Interventionalist policies created what problem, exactly?



And Iran just wants its nuclear power for peaceful purposes.:roll: Poland certainly has no reason to fear Iran, they obviously are getting something else out of the deal.
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The missile defense shield is being placed in Poland for strategic reasons. If Iran was ever to obtain the technology, should they have not already obtained it, and they could throw there nukes long distances, through Turkey or Eastern Europe into the rest of Europe, than the defense shield will help protect Europe from such attacks. Are you telling me NATO got it muddled up when they announced the plans for a missile defense shield or are you just making it up?



Iran has shown absolutely no tendency to give something as important as nuclear weapons to terrorists. The guys in power are very interested in staying in power, and getting obliterated is not in their interest.
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Proove that claim. They are yet to obtain a weapon like a WMD, so what tendency do you talk of? Just about every penny and weapon they have already goes to terrorist groups anyway, so what foundation do you have to tell me otherwise? Getting the Jews and the West obliterated is in there best interests, trust me.



No its not. Condemning is empty words that mean nothing, overthrowing a government changes a country for decades.
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Condemning is to involve ones self. When you say we shouldnt get involved, i suppose we should scrap the UN embargo's also? Because the West has a death wish. :doh
You need to exercise logic, here. Your completely scrapping the well being of another nation and its citizens exposed to a rogue nation with WMD's (which by the way you are allowing to create), because it doesn't involve us? Excuse my sense of decency.



Iran is currently in the process of trying to make nuclear weapons. Thus, they do not have any.
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And when they do, you'll be saying the same crap.
 
Yeah, if any Israel is left, which is the point.
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Israel has nuclear-capable submarines so Iran is going to get hit no matter what.


If Iran attacks Israel with a nucleur attack, it will utterly devastate the country and kill millions of Jews. And you condemn that type of intervention? You would prefer to sit back and watch the Iranians slaughter Jews with a rain of nucleur acid, whilst they annex every bit of Jewish land, in the name of not intervening? Interventionalist policies created what problem, exactly?
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If Israel feels threatened, they will defend themselves. They don't need us to fight their battles for them. They attacked nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria, and will do so again if they feel they have to.


The missile defense shield is being placed in Poland for strategic reasons. If Iran was ever to obtain the technology, should they have not already obtained it, and they could throw there nukes long distances, through Turkey or Eastern Europe into the rest of Europe, than the defense shield will help protect Europe from such attacks. Are you telling me NATO got it muddled up when they announced the plans for a missile defense shield or are you just making it up?
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The missile shield has not been shown to work in any kind of realistic test on long range missiles. Furthermore, even if it did, defending against Iran by putting it in Poland makes no sense. Unless they decide to nuke Norway, it would be better located in somewhere like Romania.

Proove that claim. They are yet to obtain a weapon like a WMD, so what tendency do you talk of? Just about every penny and weapon they have already goes to terrorist groups anyway, so what foundation do you have to tell me otherwise? Getting the Jews and the West obliterated is in there best interests, trust me.
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Iran gives small amounts of money and crappy equipment to terrorists. They certainly wouldn't give up something as valuable as a nuke. Finally, how exactly is in their interests to get their entire destroyed obliterated by nuking Israel?

You need to exercise logic, here. Your completely scrapping the well being of another nation and its citizens exposed to a rogue nation with WMD's (which by the way you are allowing to create), because it doesn't involve us? Excuse my sense of decency.
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You need to realize that Iran isn't a threat to you. Going around invading countries because of your paranoid fears is what the Soviets did, and it certainly doesn't involve a sense of decency.

And when they do, you'll be saying the same crap.
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I am simply stating the facts. Iran does not currently have any nuclear weapons.
 
rathi said:
Israel has nuclear-capable submarines so Iran is going to get hit no matter what.
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And millions of Jews will die no matter what because Rogue state, WMD capable Iran is allowed to create one of the most dangerous weapons in the world without us caring. How could we not care? How could we allow any nation who's entire existance is based off extremism to have such weapons?



If Israel feels threatened, they will defend themselves. They don't need us to fight their battles for them. They attacked nuclear facilities in Iraq and Syria, and will do so again if they feel they have to.
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Same applies for the West. Nucleur armed Iran is threatening for the entire region of the ME and Europe, and yes, we should react to the possibility of them being WMD armed in the future.




The missile shield has not been shown to work in any kind of realistic test on long range missiles. Furthermore, even if it did, defending against Iran by putting it in Poland makes no sense. Unless they decide to nuke Norway, it would be better located in somewhere like Romania.
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Not neccessarily, an anti-missile shield in Poland can cover all of Eastern Europe, and the one in Czech Republic can cover the Balkans.



Iran gives small amounts of money and crappy equipment to terrorists. They certainly wouldn't give up something as valuable as a nuke. Finally, how exactly is in their interests to get their entire destroyed obliterated by nuking Israel?
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A) The Iran funds Hezbollah and Hamas modestly, theres nothing small or crappy about it, neither is the tanks and the experience they had over to them.

B) What you said makes no sense (the last part).


You need to realize that Iran isn't a threat to you. Going around invading countries because of your paranoid fears is what the Soviets did, and it certainly doesn't involve a sense of decency.
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Of course Iran is a threat to me. A country so close to Europe, an evil theocracy with WMD's is a threat to all of us and our close allies.



I am simply stating the facts. Iran does not currently have any nuclear weapons.
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Yes, i know that. What does that change?
 
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Israel has nuclear-capable submarines so Iran is going to get hit no matter what.
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You honestly think they care?
They're fanatically religious, you can never expect what they'll do.
That's why they're worse than NK, who, while being crazy and irrational, might still see the dangers of nuking another country.
 
Laila said:
No one should be toppled.

Who the bloody hell do we all think we are thinking we can topple and overthrow nations just because we do not like what they say.

Hell, someone should have overthrown US Govt. when that fool Bush was in power :doh
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On this issue you are wrong, Leila.... except about bout Bush being a fool.

Amadinajihad needs to be taken down... as does the ayetoiletbowl and his mullah stooges.
 
"On this issue you are wrong, Leila.... except about bout Bush being a fool."

Bush is even close to being a fool when compared to a truly great fool such as Bobo.
 
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