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'Death to Obama' sign holder in Md. detained

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Team b.? come now, you are not even in the same league as the Good Reverend! I am pro obviously, while you may be "A" team in the beer league, its hardly a cause to attack my greatness.
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Nice attempt at humor if you don't know what Team B is don't comment on it

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
What you are doing is an appeal to authority, and while doing that, you have not established even, your credentials.... Such fail..... such fail. :lol:
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Ahh so once again can't attack the position and instead try to attack character. This is getting old fast.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
The fact that the cold war ended after he left office, would be akin to say that bush policies had no effect on Obama's economy, and as a partisan who claims to be centerist, I'd pay the board a 5 spot to see you admit this...
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Right because the recession started in December 2007 before Obama took office and had been going for about a year we started feeling the effects around September. Again reality fails to support your contentions. Your original statement was that he ended the cold war. This is demonstrably false.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Check and mate.
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I agree you refuse to debate anyone instead you launch character attacks then get upset when people do it to you. Attack the position not the poster

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
lame.... You were humoring me, now this is just lame... up your game pogue.
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Naw you've shown thus far you can't understand simple concepts and instead of having a scholarly debate you attack a person and not their position. I agree this is getting lame you're an adult please start acting like it.
 
PogueMoran said:
Nice attempt at humor if you don't know what Team B is don't comment on it


Ahh so once again can't attack the position and instead try to attack character. This is getting old fast.
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How old is it? badabump......


:lol:

I was using updated references....


It's Time to Bench "Team B"



Right because the recession started in December 2007 before Obama took office and had been going for about a year we started feeling the effects around September. Again reality fails to support your contentions. Your original statement was that he ended the cold war. This is demonstrably false.
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oooh such a centrist.... I bet you think Clintons economy was more than a tech bubble and housing bubble too? :lol:



I agree you refuse to debate anyone instead you launch character attacks then get upset when people do it to you. Attack the position not the poster
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This is a lie. I asked you for quotes and links., you failed.



Naw you've shown thus far you can't understand simple concepts and instead of having a scholarly debate you attack a person and not their position. I agree this is getting lame you're an adult please start acting like it.
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this was an example of Irony, no?


When did I insult you? you on the other hand are insulting me.... I don't care, I find it humorous thus far.....
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I can see your point, but it is all speculation, we have to look at the other "communist" nations and thier fate.

China, while more capitalist now, is still in existance. Cuba? N. Korea? It seems that everything else is speculation other than Reagan outspent the USSSR in a monopoly game. :shrug:
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Those are four different stories. Cuba and North Korea are both flaky shells of what they were while the Soviets Union was around and even North Korea is debatable because of how little we know about them. China though is interesting because their expansion has come at the high price of millions of dead people, violations of human rights and what is now complete lunacy in their insane mixture of a capitalist/socialist society. If you go to China today you'll be hard pressed to find a society that one would described as 'socialist' or 'communist' in nature. The poor are poor and the rich are rich and there is no real support net of any kind for anybody.

The Chinese didn't really stretch themselves by providing resources for some countries at a reduced market price. They unlike the Soviets weren't feeding a room full of U.N. communists for years. The Chinese had to deal with their own people going hungry. This gives it a different perspective and made it in some ways easier to deal with. It is only now, decades after the Tianamen Square massacre that China has surfaced as a candidate for World Power.

After years of not only agricultural reform but capitalist expansion, the Chinese are only communist on paper and you'd be hard pressed to disagree if you went there.

You go to Cuba today you'll see things like the CUC(Cuban Convertible Dollar). It's a way for a failed government to deal with a retardedly weak currency like the Cuban peso.

Geopolitics are fun. Complicated but so much fun.
 
Hatuey said:
Those are four different stories. Cuba and North Korea are both flaky shells of what they were while the Soviets Union was around and even North Korea is debatable because of how little we know about them. China though is interesting because their expansion has come at the high price of millions of dead people, violations of human rights and what is now complete lunacy in their insane mixture of a capitalist/socialist society. If you go to China today you'll be hard pressed to find a society that one would described as 'socialist' or 'communist' in nature. The poor are poor and the rich are rich and there is no real support net of any kind for anybody.

The Chinese didn't really stretch themselves by providing resources for some countries at a reduced market price. They unlike the Soviets weren't feeding a room full of U.N. communists for years. The Chinese had to deal with their own people going hungry. This gives it a different perspective and made it in some ways easier to deal with. It is only now, decades after the Tianamen Square massacre that China has surfaced as a candidate for World Power.

After years of not only agricultural reform but capitalist expansion, the Chinese are only communist on paper and you'd be hard pressed to disagree if you went there.

You go to Cuba today you'll see things like the CUC(Cuban Convertible Dollar). It's a way for a failed government to deal with a retardedly weak currency like the Cuban peso.

Geopolitics are fun. Complicated but so much fun.
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I apprecieate you opinion. Let me ask you, DId reagan push along the end of the cold war in any way or not?

As a self described liberal I'd understand if you think "no" however, I got to say, I think he really had a strong hand in hastening the demise of th USSR....
 
sam_w said:
Unfortunately the article you present bears no reading further when they state: "If Yuri Andropov's kidneys hadn't given out...".
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Well, then, perhaps you SHOULD have read beyond that point and seen what he had to say about it. :roll:
 
PogueMoran said:
Ahh I'm sorry it must have been your evil twin posting under your screen name:
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ign-holder-md-detained-17.html#post1058200159

Yeah you did call me a basket case. So would that make you the liar?

Finally progress in your opinion as opposed to unequivocally saying it before. Again you have yet to prove your case.
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Oh my bad, so sorry, I was being actually tongue in cheek, I have referenced you as a respectable debator and tried to engage you intellectually. you just want to fight....



I am so sorry, I was wrong. I misread you. Lets continue and I will view you as a joe1991, devil505, crunch, aquapub and a formerroadie type poster from now on.....


I suggest we both tone it down from here on out, as I will not treat you as someone who can handle adult debating and will respond accordingly from now on to any and all personal attacks....


Again, I apologize for misreading you. :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
How old is it? badabump......


:lol:

I was using updated references....


It's Time to Bench "Team B"
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Make some sense here. Team B was apart of the posturing during the cold war making people believe the soviets had stuff they didn't that they were stronger than they were in contradiction to the CIA.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
oooh such a centrist.... I bet you think Clintons economy was more than a tech bubble and housing bubble too? :lol:
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The concensus amongst economists is that it started in december of 2007 a full year and a month before Obama took office. So yeah an economy already in recession does have an effect on the current economy. This shouldn't be a hard concept for you to understand. Everything goes in cycles so say the republicans. Now you're talking about another subject we were talking about how one thing rolls into the other. I've seen republicans try to claim Reagan was responsible for Clinton's economy so it seems anytime a democrat does something good its a republicans fault everytime something bad happens its a democrats fault. No win scenarios. Downplay everything.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
This is a lie. I asked you for quotes and links., you failed.
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I already have shown you in the last post where you called me a basket case. So yeah you'd be the liar.





Reverend_Hellh0und said:
this was an example of Irony, no?


When did I insult you? you on the other hand are insulting me.... I don't care, I find it humorous thus far.....
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Really where am I insulting you? I'm saying you can act better than this
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I apprecieate you opinion. Let me ask you, DId reagan push along the end of the cold war in any way or not?

As a self described liberal I'd understand if you think "no" however, I got to say, I think he really had a strong hand in hastening the demise of th USSR....
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Depends on what you mean. I think Reagan was essential in bringing the Soviet closer to what was going to be their inevitable move towards some sort of democracy. I don't think he played a role in their economic downfall. If the Soviet Union hadn't stretched itself the way it did we'd still have the CIA and the KGB looking at each other. An overstretched model of communism and a totalitarian government filled with a culture of military cronyism was the real downfall of the Soviet Union.

They were the very definition of spending money you don't have. Except they didn't see until they were 30 years, and 40 mouths to feed deep in debt. Their money never really existed.
 
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Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Oh my bad, so sorry, I was being actually tongue in cheek, I have referenced you as a respectable debator and tried to engage you intellectually. you just want to fight....



I am so sorry, I was wrong. I misread you. Lets continue and I will view you as a joe1991, devil505, crunch, aquapub and a formerroadie type poster from now on.....


I suggest we both tone it down from here on out, as I will not treat you as someone who can handle adult debating and will respond accordingly from now on to any and all personal attacks....


Again, I apologize for misreading you. :lol:
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Again jokingly calling me a basket case is still a personal attack. Where have I called you any names during this whole exchange? When you actually engage in an intellectual debate please let me know. Thus far you haven't. I've seen the same ole thing from you. Also when you want to act like an adult please let me know. Thus far you have been found wanting.

If you were intellectually debating instead of playing jeopardy you'd actually refute positions.
 
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PogueMoran said:
Make some sense here. Team B was apart of the posturing during the cold war making people believe the soviets had stuff they didn't that they were stronger than they were in contradiction to the CIA.
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Awesome.... Thanks for sharing.


The concensus amongst economists is that it started in december of 2007 a full year and a month before Obama took office. So yeah an economy already in recession does have an effect on the current economy. This shouldn't be a hard concept for you to understand. Everything goes in cycles so say the republicans. Now you're talking about another subject we were talking about how one thing rolls into the other. I've seen republicans try to claim Reagan was responsible for Clinton's economy so it seems anytime a democrat does something good its a republicans fault everytime something bad happens its a democrats fault. No win scenarios. Downplay everything.
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Reagan was, The fact that a president takes office has little to do with economic trends moreso than thier actions in thier 1st 100 days.



I already have shown you in the last post where you called me a basket case. So yeah you'd be the liar.
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Last warning. I have not called you a name other than the "basket cast" comment in which I thought we were joking around, the fact that you are calling me a liar when you made it clear that the internetz is serious business means, I will not tolerate name calling any moreso than you do.


Last warning.



Really where am I insulting you? I'm saying you can act better than this
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Irony. Funny. :lol:
 
PogueMoran said:
Again jokingly calling me a basket case is still a personal attack. Where have I called you any names during this whole exchange? When you actually engage in an intellectual debate please let me know. Thus far you haven't. I've seen the same ole thing from you. Also when you want to act like an adult please let me know. Thus far you have been found wanting.
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Oh FFS give it a rest and get back on topic. There he called you a basket case. Move on and debate the topic.
 
Hatuey said:
Depends on what you mean. I think Reagan was essential in bringing the Soviet closer to what was going to be their inevitable move towards some sort of democracy. I don't think he played a role in their economic downfall. If the Soviet Union hadn't stretched itself the way it did we'd still have the CIA and the KGB looking at each other. An overstretched model of communism and a totalitarian government filled with a culture of military cronyism was the real downfall of the Soviet Union.
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But why were they like that?


I think both countries played the same game against each other, an the freer market society won, no?

If there was no US, there would be no arms race like there was.....




They were the very definition of spending money you don't have. Except they didn't see until they were 30 years, and 40 mouths to feed deep in debt. Their money never really existed.
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Sorry, but I got to say, that sounds almost like Obama... (as in the spending now...) oh and bush as well. ;)
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Awesome.... Thanks for sharing.
Reagan was, The fact that a president takes office has little to do with economic trends moreso than thier actions in thier 1st 100 days.
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Case in point as I said republicans try to say Reagan was responsible for Clinton's good economy even though Reagan had been out of office for 4 years. So if that's the case was Reagan responsible for Bush Senior's recession?

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Last warning. I have not called you a name other than the "basket cast" comment in which I thought we were joking around, the fact that you are calling me a liar when you made it clear that the internetz is serious business means, I will not tolerate name calling any moreso than you do.
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Oh last warning so now you're warning me for calling you out on your pot to kettle. You claimed you never called me a basket case and to point it out or I'm a liar. I pointed it out that meant you lied about never calling me it. We were joking around that doesn't give you free reign to call me names. Again I've been the adult here I haven't called you any names. You did lie. So what did that make you that one time?

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Last warning.
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You did call me a basket case after claiming you didn't

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Irony. Funny. :lol:
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That's if you understood what that word means. Another overused word on your part. You can't debate so you pull us off topic.
 
PogueMoran said:
Case in point as I said republicans try to say Reagan was responsible for Clinton's good economy even though Reagan had been out of office for 4 years. So if that's the case was Reagan responsible for Bush Senior's recession?
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:lol: "centrist" never considers the left as the negative.... :lol:

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Really, if you can't handle tongue in cheek, then drop it., I am being nice about this. Act accordingly.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
But why were they like that?


I think both countries played the same game against each other, an the freer market society won, no?

If there was no US, there would be no arms race like there was.....
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Its pretty obvious why the soviet union was in chaos. After a revolution, no established order of sucession from Lenin, Stalin's pushing out of Trotsky, the russians having to deal with Germany and the overexpansion policies its no wonder they were falling apart. If outspending the russians was all it took then every president since Truman ended the cold war
 
PogueMoran said:
Its pretty obvious why the soviet union was in chaos. After a revolution, no established order of sucession from Lenin, Stalin's pushing out of Trotsky, the russians having to deal with Germany and the overexpansion policies its no wonder they were falling apart. If outspending the russians was all it took then every president since Truman ended the cold war
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So in your opinion Reagan had nothing to do with it?


Really? If the russians did not have to spend money on an arms race, you think they could last a few weeks longer? :lol:


On top of that. Who do you think ended the cold war? :lol:
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
:lol: "centrist" never considers the left as the negative.... :lol:
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Really when did I say that? I respond to actual subjects as I see them. But then again being on the far right such as yourself anything is left

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Really, if you can't handle tongue in cheek, then drop it., I am being nice about this. Act accordingly.
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You just keep jumping around. First you didn't call me names then you did then its tongue in cheek. Again you can't attack the positions you just attack the person I've seen this time and time again. Make a point and actually defend it for once.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
So in your opinion Reagan had nothing to do with it?


Really? If the russians did not have to spend money on an arms race, you think they could last a few weeks longer? :lol:


On top of that. Who do you think ended the cold war? :lol:
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Very little. Again you claimed Reagan ended the cold war almost singlehandedly. If outspending the russians was all it took every president up to Bush Sr was responsible. And yet they lasted more than just a few weeks longer when Senior was proposing the cuts.

The russians ended the cold war when they fell apart under their own weight. It's not just me that thinks that. If you want some history I suggest reading a few books.

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/History-Soviet-Union-Beginning-End/dp/0521682967/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250630708&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: A History of the Soviet Union from the Beginning to the End (9780521682961): Peter Kenez: Books[/ame]

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Why-Soviet-Union-Collapse-Understanding/dp/0765600048/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&qid=1250630954&sr=8-14]Amazon.com: Why Did the Soviet Union Collapse?: Understanding Historical Change (9780765600042): Robert W. Strayer: Books[/ame]

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Fall-Soviet-Union-1917-1991/dp/0415122902/ref=sr_1_17?ie=UTF8&qid=1250631049&sr=8-17]Amazon.com: The Rise and Fall of the Soviet Union: 1917-1991 (Sources in History) (9780415122900): Richard Sakwa: Books[/ame]

The soviets operated under a one-party authoritarian system which couldn't sustain itself. Those at the top horded the power while those at the bottom got only the scraps. When Stalin took over the party pretty much was all under one man. When he died they failed to reform themselves.
 
PogueMoran said:
Really when did I say that? I respond to actual subjects as I see them. But then again being on the far right such as yourself anything is left
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I am still waiting for you to show me how you are a centrist..... What are you on about?



You just keep jumping around. First you didn't call me names then you did then its tongue in cheek. Again you can't attack the positions you just attack the person I've seen this time and time again. Make a point and actually defend it for once.
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I said "my bad" I didn't think you would have a tantrum over a tongue in cheak comment, but apparently that is what you want.


It was tongue in cheek. I am sorry you took it any other way, now stop crying about it.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I am still waiting for you to show me how you are a centrist..... What are you on about?
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I'm still waiting for you to prove your accusation. Again the onus is on the accuser.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I said "my bad" I didn't think you would have a tantrum over a tongue in cheak comment, but apparently that is what you want.
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You also said you never called me that just admit you lied and we'll move on. No tantrum just trying to get you to admit you lied since you always seem to be jumping on other people claiming they lied.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
It was tongue in cheek. I am sorry you took it any other way, now stop crying about it.
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Sure but then again you never said it right?
 
PogueMoran said:
I'm still waiting for you to prove your accusation. Again the onus is on the accuser.
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**yawn**


You also said you never called me that just admit you lied and we'll move on. No tantrum just trying to get you to admit you lied since you always seem to be jumping on other people claiming they lied.
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I already said, my bad, wtf are you crying about. What more do you want. I said so tongue in cheek and admitted it numerous times. Really thin mantrum of yours is rather unbecoming. :lol:


Sure but then again you never said it right?
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Then I corrected myself, the fact you keep saying this, is rather ironic, no? You know, since what you are accusing me of, is what you are actually doing by ignoring the fact I corrected myself, right?


Why do you want to fight with me? I am being very magnanamous with you. You ask anyone here, I'd roll you like a cigarette if I had the inkling. The Good Reverend is a big dog, Keep yapping at him and see where it gets you.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
**yawn**
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Okay thanks for admitting you can't prove your assertion now lets get back to Reagan.


Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I already said, my bad, wtf are you crying about. What more do you want. I said so tongue in cheek and admitted it numerous times. Really thin mantrum of yours is rather unbecoming. :lol:
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I accept your apology for lying then trying to paint me as a liar when asking me to prove where you didn't call me a basket case. Back to reagan




Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Then I corrected myself, the fact you keep saying this, is rather ironic, no? You know, since what you are accusing me of, is what you are actually doing by ignoring the fact I corrected myself, right?
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Again Irony is something you don't seem to understand you've used that word 3 times when it didn't apply. You corrected yourself after the second time I said you called me it and tried to accuse me of being a liar.

Reverend_Hellh0und said:
Why do you want to fight with me? I am being very magnanamous with you. You ask anyone here, I'd roll you like a cigarette if I had the inkling. The Good Reverend is a big dog, Keep yapping at him and see where it gets you.
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Fight? When did I imply that? Roll me like a cigarette? Sorry my friend I don't swing that way you're getting no puffs on me.

So are we going to get back to Reagan and the cold war or are you going to keep this going?
 
You two kids need to get a room.
 
PogueMoran said:
Okay thanks for admitting you can't prove your assertion now lets get back to Reagan.
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Ok my left wing friend. :roll:



I accept your apology for lying then trying to paint me as a liar when asking me to prove where you didn't call me a basket case. Back to reagan
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No apology, it was an honest mistake thinking you would understand friendly ribbing then getting all I-commando about it...



Again Irony is something you don't seem to understand you've used that word 3 times when it didn't apply. You corrected yourself after the second time I said you called me it and tried to accuse me of being a liar.
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Sad. I guess you simply can not rise to the occasion.




Fight? When did I imply that? Roll me like a cigarette? Sorry my friend I don't swing that way you're getting no puffs on me.
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Whatev panda bear. Let me know when you don't want to fight on the internetz. I am headed to the bar, you bore me.



So are we going to get back to Reagan and the cold war or are you going to keep this going?
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me? :lol:


that's rich, I will laugh at that one for a while. Anyway "poguemoran"... until next time..... you can Aich te bheal my dear friend. ;)
 
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