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'Death to Obama' sign holder in Md. detained

Devil505 said:
Of course you aren't a Republican.
This is the last admitted Repub in the country!
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The irony given your political lean and the extreme leftist democrat talking points you spew on here is thick
 
Laila said:
I'd be slightly terrified if it was me, but i don't have CIA at my disposal do i lol

But the one lone idiot will be in jail and/or fined
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I read in the Washington Post this morning that he was released because he wasn't considered a threat to himself or anyone else.
 
hazlnut said:
Both people are idiots who don't respect our country. Lock them both up IMO. You can not threaten the President. Call him socialist. Paint a hitler mustache or devil horns on him -- but once you directly threaten or advocate violence towards the democratically elected leader of our country, you're not one of us anymore. Buh-bye, asshole.

That being said -- the way some people try to deflect or derail a discussion by digging up something the other extreme once did -- pretty lame Harshaw. Pretty lame.

Partisan hack douchebaggery of the highest order.

Deal with the issue in OP or don't post.
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"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure." -- Thomas Jefferson
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Some would disagree with you.
 
Zyphlin said:
Ah, so you think it was great and patriotic of people calling for Bush's death American?
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Did I say that? I said some would disagree with him.
 
American said:
Some would disagree with you.
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Jefferson would understand a bunch of angry folks taking up their guns and gathering to deliver a smackdown on the government. Jefferson would understand folks gathering at townhalls to educate Congressmen on the meaning of "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more." Jefferson would even understand the retards who think taking a gun and shooting the President will make much difference.

Jefferson would not understand some retard holding up a sign basically asking someone else to kill the President. That's neither rebellion, nor even effective protest. It's just idiocy.
 
aps said:
I read in the Washington Post this morning that he was released because he wasn't considered a threat to himself or anyone else.
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That's what usually happens. Obviously, you need to arrest someone holding a sign like that to determine is there is or was an actual threat to the President or the dude is just a harmless nut ball. Most of the time it turns out to be harmless nut ball.
 
Zyphlin said:
So you think Jefferson would've thought it was Patriotic for people to call for Bush's death?
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Depends on how it was stated. Jefferson would approve of a mob saying they needed to take the President and string him up. Can't see Jefferson being supportive of some whack job saying someone else should take the President and string him up.

If you read Jefferson's comment closely, you'll see he gives credit to the folks who, like himself and the other Founding Fathers, are willing to put their lives on the line for what they believed in. Folks who lack the courage to do that are better off just keeping their grumblings to themselves.
 
Someone who had the exact same type of sign as the guy that American is referencing...for example the one I posted.

I'm asking why he's bringing that quote in here, unless he's trying to say that Jefferson would've thought the guy in the OP was a patriot for doing it. And, if that's the case, does he think Jefferson would think the ones doing the same thing with Bush were too?
 
All I know that if Jefferson was alive today to see this sh*t, he'd be pissed.
 
I think Jefferson was a true revolutionary, and felt that leaders needed to remain mindful of who the Boss is. That being said, free speech has its limits and this was walking the fine line. However, calling for someone's death isn't the same as planning and executing. That's likely why the man was released.
 
American said:
I think Jefferson was a true revolutionary, and felt that leaders needed to remain mindful of who the Boss is. That being said, free speech has its limits and this was walking the fine line. However, calling for someone's death isn't the same as planning and executing. That's likely why the man was released.
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Do you think Jefferson, based on the quote YOU decided to inject into this thread (which I imagine had a point rather than just to troll), would think this man was a Patriot? (based on how you used it and your response, it seems you believe not)

Do you think Jefferson, baed on the quote YOU decided to inject into this thread, would think that the man holding the Bush sign was a Patriot?
 
Zyphlin said:
Do you think Jefferson, based on the quote YOU decided to inject into this thread (which I imagine had a point rather than just to troll), would think this man was a Patriot? (based on how you used it and your response, it seems you believe not)

Do you think Jefferson, baed on the quote YOU decided to inject into this thread, would think that the man holding the Bush sign was a Patriot?
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Jefferson would propose that people who threaten the president should be put to death.
 
apdst said:
Jefferson would propose that people who threaten the president should be put to death.
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Care to quote some writing of Jefferson to back that up?
 
apdst said:
No one else posted actual quotes by Jefferson. Why do I have to, all of a sudden?
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Because you are making pretty bold claims like you know Jefferson would advocate the death penalty for this guy. Perhaps you shouldn't make claims that you aren't prepared to back up.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Because you are making pretty bold claims like you know Jefferson would advocate the death penalty for this guy. Perhaps you shouldn't make claims that you aren't prepared to back up.
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No bolder than anyone else. Are you the, "boldness", judge of the forum? Or is this just more harrassment?
 
apdst said:
No bolder than anyone else. Are you the, "boldness", judge of the forum? Or is this just more harrassment?
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How is it harassment to expect people to have proof to back up their claims? It's not like you said "I think that Jefferson would feel the same way." You said that he would. That is an absolute statement. You can't go around making such statements and expect people not to ask you to back them up.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
How is it harassment to expect people to have proof to back up their claims? It's not like you said "I think that Jefferson would feel the same way." You said that he would. That is an absolute statement. You can't go around making such statements and expect people not to ask you to back them up.
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Because it's all you do. You demand proof, when you never provide any, along with a few insults for good measure. All you do is roam around the forum damanding people back up their comments. I've yet to see you support anything you've ever said.
 
apdst said:
Because it's all you do. You demand proof, when you never provide any, along with a few insults for good measure. All you do is roam around the forum damanding people back up their comments. I've yet to see you support anything you've ever said.
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I don't make assertions like the one you did without proof prepared just in case someone asks me to back it up. It's kind of common sense. Here again you are making claims about me now that you most likely can't back up. By the way, which insults are you referring to? Nowhere in my replies to your posts did I insult you.
 
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stekim said:
That's what usually happens. Obviously, you need to arrest someone holding a sign like that to determine is there is or was an actual threat to the President or the dude is just a harmless nut ball. Most of the time it turns out to be harmless nut ball.
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Not being a lawyer, I admit that my following thinking is simply based on the federal conspiracy laws that I'm more familiar with than Presidential threat laws.

Under federal law, to be guilty of the crime of conspiracy, you must plan an illegal act with at least one other person & then must commit at least one Overt Act in furtherance of that conspiracy.

Example:
Me & a buddy discus robbing the local bank at dinner one night.
(this discussion itself is not a criminal act)
If either one of us then drive by the bank to check out security, we have then committed the overt act that then makes our activity a criminal conspiracy. (any lawyers out there who care to jump in here are welcome)


My point is that I would simpoly guess that this nut was let go because no overt act was committed. The Secret Service is on a hair trigger footing right now, & rightly so. I would guess thast they would prosecute ANYONE that they could reasonably expect to convict, regardless of his/her real threat potential.

Just a hunch on my part.
 
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hazlnut said:
Both people are idiots who don't respect our country. Lock them both up IMO. You can not threaten the President. Call him socialist. Paint a hitler mustache or devil horns on him -- but once you directly threaten or advocate violence towards the democratically elected leader of our country, you're not one of us anymore. Buh-bye, asshole.

That being said -- the way some people try to deflect or derail a discussion by digging up something the other extreme once did -- pretty lame Harshaw. Pretty lame.

Partisan hack douchebaggery of the highest order.

Deal with the issue in OP or don't post.
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:roll:

How did I not "deal with it"?

First, I said he was a nutball who needed to be arrested. Do you disagree?

Then, I dealt with this:

sam_w said:
Yep, they sure are a real class act. I imagine the (R)epugnants will squirm out of this.
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Which implies that the aforesaid nutball represents Republicans. I further countered with an illustration of how stupid that implication is. Me, I wouldn't think it would take a whole lot to follow that, but I clearly overestimated the ability to do so on the part of, say, YOU.
 
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