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Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

earthworm said:
[GOOGLE]Most Americans, Mr. Specter, are against the plan. They are more "representative of America" than you and your ilk.[GOOGLE]
The wealthy American may be against any change, and this has been the case for a very long time.
The poor and the ever shrinking "middle class" do want a better system.
We have to look to the more socially advanced nations in Europe and Canada for this.
A man has to be either blind and or insulated from real life to not see that things are not as good as they should be.. Our health care is not patient friendly, not efficient, and is corrupted with greed from patients and doctors and lawyers.
I'd like to see the insurance, as we know it, GO.
Pay as one goes with federal government insurance for catastrophes, only.
I'd like to hear from those in other lands for some intelligent discourse..
Many of those at the "town meetings" are idiots. :3oops:
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I stopped at you cheerin "Europe" and America's hat as more socially advanced.... :lol:
 
disneydude said:
It doesn't stop them from trying and fighting tooth and nail to protect their corporate profits and dividends.
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I am always amused by this populist notion that profits and dividends are bad.

Who do you think benefits from their profits and dividends? :rofl

disneydude said:
As I said....Healthcare reform is going to pass. Just like you said....ultimately the GOP is too powerless to stop it.
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And if it doesn't, you will probably still rail in your typical uninformed emotionally filled rants that it is the "evil" Republicans fault won't you?

:2wave:
 
mpg said:
Now that you mention it, I really don't know how many or what % of these town hall meetings have been disrupted by protesters.

Does anyone have any data?
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watch my video. do you consider that "disrupting"?


I would like all that say that town hall meetings are being "disrupted" to do so so we ca guagewhat is considered "disrupting".
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
watch my video. do you consider that "disrupting"?


I would like all that say that town hall meetings are being "disrupted" to do so so we ca guagewhat is considered "disrupting".
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I watched part of that video and didn't see any disrupting but I saw another video where protesters basically didn't allow the meeting to take place until they were physically removed. Just how common that is I don't know. Maybe it only happened once.
 
mpg said:
I watched part of that video and didn't see any disrupting but I saw another video where protesters basically didn't allow the meeting to take place until they were physically removed. Just how common that is I don't know. Maybe it only happened once.
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Are you talking about the one where they were attacked by union thugs?


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5cof0yadjw"]YouTube - man attacked violently at Kathy Castor Florida town hall meeting for standing in front of door[/ame]
 
tlmorg02 said:
You were doing good until you reverted to the GOP talking points of control and socialism.
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Versus your parroting Democrat talking points; where is there any difference?

tlmorg02 said:
Here is the facts, the GOP had control under GW Bush and did nothing to change or help healthcare. When Clinton tried to reform healthcare, insurance companies were all on board with legislation that ended the practice of exclusion due to pre-existing conditions. Where are we now? No change. Once again, the GOP criticizes without presenting the slightest alternative besides the status quo.
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Again you would be miss-informed; the GOP Congress has expressed many solutions that are far better than allowing the mediocrity and incompetence of expanding Government Bureaucracies into every facet of our lives.

I would suggest taking your blinders off and looking around for some answers before you parrot these DNC talking points.

I have to ask; why is it that you and others think that the ONLY solution is a Government takeover?

Here's a few links; read and become more informed:

News

News

http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/HealthCare.htm

http://www.asahq.org/Washington/BlueDogLetteronHealth Care7-9-2009.pdf

http://www.asahq.org/Washington/2009-06-17HouseGOPSolutionsGroupOutlinesHealthCarePlan.pdf

http://www.asahq.org/Washington/ConradCo-opBlueprint.pdf

http://www.house.gov/melancon/BlueD...form - Ensuring Choice in the Marketplace.pdf
 
Truth Detector said:
Versus your parroting Democrat talking points; where is there any difference?



Again you would be miss-informed; the GOP Congress has expressed many solutions that are far better than allowing the mediocrity and incompetence of expanding Government Bureaucracies into every facet of our lives.

I would suggest taking your blinders off and looking around for some answers before you parrot these DNC talking points.

I have to ask; why is it that you and others think that the ONLY solution is a Government takeover?

Here's a few links; read and become more informed:

News

News

http://www.gop.com/2008Platform/HealthCare.htm

http://www.asahq.org/Washington/BlueDogLetteronHealth Care7-9-2009.pdf

http://www.asahq.org/Washington/2009-06-17HouseGOPSolutionsGroupOutlinesHealthCarePlan.pdf

http://www.asahq.org/Washington/ConradCo-opBlueprint.pdf

http://www.house.gov/melancon/BlueD...form - Ensuring Choice in the Marketplace.pdf
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I checked all of your links and found not one single proposition. All of them said make healthcare more affordable, but HOW? The rest mirrored the Democratic plan. So typical, full of rhetoric, but no substance. And "government takeover?" Misinformation seems to be your policy of choice.
 
mpg said:
Yeah, that's the one. I don't defend the vigilantes who removed the protesters any more than I defend the protesters who tried to stop the town hall meeting.
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I could be wrong, but they were there not to disrupt but to make thier voices heard when the union thugs pre-empted them, they got loud... I would to.
 
tlmorg02 said:
I checked all of your links and found not one single proposition. All of them said make healthcare more affordable, but HOW? The rest mirrored the Democratic plan. So typical, full of rhetoric, but no substance. And "government takeover?" Misinformation seems to be your policy of choice.
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Denial is strong with this one. Here let me post them here and perhaps then you can illustrate point by point how these are not propositions:

Brings greater fairness to the tax code by extending tax savings to those who currently do not have employer-provided insurance but purchase health insurance on their own. This provision would provide an “above the line” deduction that is equal to the cost of an individual’s or family’s insurance premiums.

Provides immediate substantial financial assistance, through new refundable and advanceable tax credits, to low- and modest-income Americans.

The plan allows states, small businesses, associations, and other organizations to band together and offer health insurance at lower costs.

Implements comprehensive medical liability reform that will reduce costly, unnecessary defensive medicine practiced by doctors trying to protect themselves from overzealous trial lawyers.

Provides Medicare and Medicaid with additional authority and resources to stop waste, fraud, and abuse that costs taxpayers billions of dollars every year.

Creates incentives to save now for future and long-term health care needs by improving health savings accounts and flexible spending arrangements as well as creating new tax benefits to offset the cost of long-term care premiums.

Gives financial help to caregivers who provide in-home care for a loved one.

Makes it easier for Americans to keep health care coverage regardless of a change in or loss of a job.

Encourages states to create a Universal Access Program by establishing and/or reforming existing programs to guarantee all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable coverage.

Helps employers offer health care coverage to their workers by reducing their administrative costs through a new small business tax credit.

Allowing dependents to remain on their parents’ health policies up to the age of 25, the number of uninsured Americans could be reduced by up to 7 million.

Provides flexibility to Medicaid and SCHIP beneficiaries by allowing them to apply the value of their benefit to a health plan that better meets their needs than the one-size-fits-all government program.

Promotes prevention and wellness by giving employers and insurers greater flexibility to financially reward employees who seek to achieve or maintain a healthy weight, quit smoking, and manage chronic illnesses like diabetes.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I could be wrong, but they were there not to disrupt but to make thier voices heard when the union thugs pre-empted them, they got loud... I would to.
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Well, we disagree. They appeared to have a disruptive agenda and not just make their position known.

If you get hot under the collar common sense would say take a step back and calm down first.
 
windovervocalcords said:
Well, we disagree. They appeared to have a disruptive agenda and not just make their position known.

If you get hot under the collar common sense would say take a step back and calm down first.
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What say you about left wing paid counter peoples, and the union thugs?
 
mpg said:
I watched part of that video and didn't see any disrupting but I saw another video where protesters basically didn't allow the meeting to take place until they were physically removed. Just how common that is I don't know. Maybe it only happened once.
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That's the difference here. There is a vast difference between not allowing the meeting to take place at all because you are so disruptive, and being forceful or loud sometimes.
 
Truth Detector said:
Denial is strong with this one. Here let me post them here and perhaps then you can illustrate point by point how these are not propositions:

Brings greater fairness to the tax code by extending tax savings to those who currently do not have employer-provided insurance but purchase health insurance on their own. This provision would provide an “above the line” deduction that is equal to the cost of an individual’s or family’s insurance premiums.

Provides immediate substantial financial assistance, through new refundable and advanceable tax credits, to low- and modest-income Americans.

The plan allows states, small businesses, associations, and other organizations to band together and offer health insurance at lower costs.

Implements comprehensive medical liability reform that will reduce costly, unnecessary defensive medicine practiced by doctors trying to protect themselves from overzealous trial lawyers.

Provides Medicare and Medicaid with additional authority and resources to stop waste, fraud, and abuse that costs taxpayers billions of dollars every year.

Creates incentives to save now for future and long-term health care needs by improving health savings accounts and flexible spending arrangements as well as creating new tax benefits to offset the cost of long-term care premiums.

Gives financial help to caregivers who provide in-home care for a loved one.

Makes it easier for Americans to keep health care coverage regardless of a change in or loss of a job.

Encourages states to create a Universal Access Program by establishing and/or reforming existing programs to guarantee all Americans, regardless of pre-existing conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable coverage.

Helps employers offer health care coverage to their workers by reducing their administrative costs through a new small business tax credit.

Allowing dependents to remain on their parents’ health policies up to the age of 25, the number of uninsured Americans could be reduced by up to 7 million.

Provides flexibility to Medicaid and SCHIP beneficiaries by allowing them to apply the value of their benefit to a health plan that better meets their needs than the one-size-fits-all government program.

Promotes prevention and wellness by giving employers and insurers greater flexibility to financially reward employees who seek to achieve or maintain a healthy weight, quit smoking, and manage chronic illnesses like diabetes.
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This is the Democratic plan. Have you read what Obama is promoting? These are the same things. The only actual difference is that Obama calls for a public option, rather than a banning together of states, associations, etc.. So what is your point? I already said that there were no real proposals made and what was there mirrored the Democratic bill.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I could be wrong, but they were there not to disrupt but to make thier voices heard when the union thugs pre-empted them, they got loud... I would to.
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I think the whole point in closing the doors was that they were being loud and disruptive. Had they remained courteous and respectful I don't believe that they would have closed the doors.

I could be wrong, butthat's what it looks like.
 
hazlnut said:
53% (many misinformed) does not equal 'Most'.

We live in a Republic with democratic elections. What Americas 'want' is represented by the current make-up of the House and the Senate. I want more of a balance and will cast future votes accordingly.

We don't live in a direct democracy--I'm not sure everyone attending these Town Halls understand this.
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It equals a majority and that's how thing work. I recall PBO winning with a 52% popular vote and the Libbos going on-n-on about how he won by a landslide and the American people have mandated change and blah, blah, blah.
 
tlmorg02 said:
If your enemy attacks you with a gun, don't fight with a knife, use a gun.
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Howbout calling the police? Do you prefer vigilantes from the other side of the debate?
 
tlmorg02 said:
I checked all of your links and found not one single proposition. All of them said make healthcare more affordable, but HOW? The rest mirrored the Democratic plan. So typical, full of rhetoric, but no substance. And "government takeover?" Misinformation seems to be your policy of choice.
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First, shoot all the lawyers.

Second, real Pay for Play. Meaning, if you ain't got cash or coverage, don't expect a doctor to treat you.

Those two alone should do wonders to reduce the cost of healthcare.
 
mpg said:
Howbout calling the police? Do you prefer vigilantes from the other side of the debate?
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The people are being removed are they not? So the police are called. But I sure as hell am not waiting for them to arrive while I am being shot.;)
 
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