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Specter: Protests not 'representative of America'

I believe that a lot of this "outrage" is orchestrated. The disruption is deliberate and not because it reflects the genuine dissatisfaction of the people, but because the authors of the disruption would like it to appear that way.

It's much easier to turn a town hall discussion on it's ear than it is to put together a march on Washington. But you have enough town hall meetings go south because some folks decide they are going to yell and scream and act like morons instead of intelligently addressing the issues they have...well that gets better airplay.

That's a clear description of the heart of the matter. Town hall meetings are designed to let people intelligently discuss matters at hand. They aren't supposed to be screamfests for the Jerry Springer or dittohead crowd.
 
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That's actually quite minor when weighted against most of the other problems, we pay more for our insurance because of mandatory ER treatment(abused frequently, most expensive care), tort law induced over testing, bill padding over testing, sky high malpractice insurance costs, overregulation, and mandatory coverage laws in every state, those are the real problems of the system, especially when you add in end of life care.

We pay more because of all of that. True. But for most people, a HUGE percentage of total health care costs, way over 50%, comes at end of life. And much of that care is spent keeping people alive for no benefit.
 
WHAT? 10,000 years agon noone lived past 25. WTF. We should all kill ourselves according to Catz. We aren't supposed to go on.


Some people should, in fact, just kill themselves.
 
You are not a good one to be talking about facts, or god forbid, reality, and certainly not truth. You have not shown one example of what you are talking about, and there are countless examples of town halls with politicians politely answering questions.

Last time I looked, I wasn't the topic of this thread. Your desperate attempts to make it so have been noted however; now run along and troll someone who cares.
 
We pay more because of all of that. True. But for most people, a HUGE percentage of total health care costs, way over 50%, comes at end of life. And much of that care is spent keeping people alive for no benefit.
But again, most end of life care comes during the Medicare years, so unless you want to mention the other factors, then technically your own insurance isn't affected that much by end of life care.
 
Last time I looked, I wasn't the topic of this thread. Your desperate attempts to make it so have been noted however; now run along and troll someone who cares.

Lord, I could not have asked for a better response for me. I corrected something you said, without ever referring to you. Your reply started "I see you are having difficulty". Last time I looked, I wasn't the topic of this thread. Your desperate attempts to make it so have been noted however; now run along and troll someone who cares.
 
But again, most end of life care comes during the Medicare years, so unless you want to mention the other factors, then technically your own insurance isn't affected that much by end of life care.

Medicare does get misused. Most of the medicare expenditures occur in the last six months of life.

If we were smart, we would refer folks to hospice much sooner.
 
But again, most end of life care comes during the Medicare years, so unless you want to mention the other factors, then technically your own insurance isn't affected that much by end of life care.

I'm not just talking about the medicare years, although if you add those up with the end of life expenses you are likely at 80% or more of the typical person's total health care expenses (just throwing a reasonable number out there). And no, my policy is not affected. But my tax rate sure as hell will be. And it seems a bit unfair to make everyone else pay because someone cannot part with his essentially already dead Grandmother.
 
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And do us all a favor. I remember this favorite saying of yours.

He was correct, of course. Some people would, in fact, do us a favor if they would off themselves. Hitler, for instance. Most of the people who served in his high command. Saddam Hussein. His sons.

There is a long list of people who would have done a great service to humanity through suicide.
 
Medicare does get misused. Most of the medicare expenditures occur in the last six months of life.

If we were smart, we would refer folks to hospice much sooner.
I have no problem with discussing Medicare reform and the like, I also have no problem with a medical consult to seek said care earlier, two things though:
1) The government should not be encouraging it
and
2) The last word should be either on the individuals part if they can make such or the immediate family member charged with doing so.
 
But again, most end of life care comes during the Medicare years, so unless you want to mention the other factors, then technically your own insurance isn't affected that much by end of life care.

Most people have supplemental policies from the same companies that insure the rest of us, to cover drugs and expensive procedures that aren't covered by medicare.

And medicare has its own issues. What's up with every old person and his dog getting a freaking scooter?
 
You could walk your own talk and lead by example.

The world wouldn't be improved by Stekim suiciding. He works hard, pays taxes, and subsidizes a lot of these gradiose economic leveling schemes. If he offed himself, we'd be out another taxpayer. And we need all we can get.
 
I have no problem with discussing Medicare reform and the like, I also have no problem with a medical consult to seek said care earlier, two things though:
1) The government should not be encouraging it
and
2) The last word should be either on the individuals part if they can make such or the immediate family member charged with doing so.

Believe me, people would be so much better off in the last six months of life in hospice care at the end of life than the other way around.

I saw two recent examples--both women dying of CHF. One with hospice care and the other without.

Clearly, the woman with hospice care died peacefully and the other suffered much more.
 
You could walk your own talk and lead by example.

Lots of people say that! I only stay alive for spite. Plus, I'm not really a danger to others. It's not my abject stupidity people need to fear.
 
Most people have supplemental policies from the same companies that insure the rest of us, to cover drugs and expensive procedures that aren't covered by medicare.
While it's true that the same companies provide the coverage, they are different risk pools and completely different operational rules. CMS guidelines are very strict.

And medicare has its own issues. What's up with every old person and his dog getting a freaking scooter?
I don't know to be honest, could never figure out the reasoning behind that one.
 
I don't know to be honest, could never figure out the reasoning behind that one.

Clearly, medicare needs to be more strictly regulated. Some of these people needing scooters should just get gastric bypass and lose the 300 pounds that make walking so difficult.
 
Clearly, medicare needs to be more strictly regulated. Some of these people needing scooters should just get gastric bypass and lose the 300 pounds that make walking so difficult.
Alot of those who use it have joint damage, fatigue issues or severe arthritis as well, but a wheelchair has to be less expensive than a motorized scooter, plus, the scooter discourages activity by doing all of the work for the less abled, so yeah, they should be a luxury, not a covered item.
 
Clearly, medicare needs to be more strictly regulated. Some of these people needing scooters should just get gastric bypass and lose the 300 pounds that make walking so difficult.

I hate when I see those fat asses with handicapped plates rolling around Puiblix on a scooter because they are too fat to walk. Makes me want to tip the freezer over on top of them. You are handicapped because you ate yourself into resembling a human cow? WTF?
 
I hate when I see those fat asses with handicapped plates rolling around Puiblix on a scooter because they are too fat to walk. Makes me want to tip the freezer over on top of them. You are handicapped because you ate yourself into resembling a human cow? WTF?

You're a big meanie. Clearly, they're dealing with a serious glandular disorder.

Also, Stekim, haven't you heard? OBESITY IS NOT A CRIME!!!

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Alot of those who use it have joint damage, fatigue issues or severe arthritis as well, but a wheelchair has to be less expensive than a motorized scooter, plus, the scooter discourages activity by doing all of the work for the less abled, so yeah, they should be a luxury, not a covered item.

I agree. Fatigue issues don't get better by completely eliminating physical activities.
 
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