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Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims

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I wonder if the Bush administration every called any of the anti-war protesters fake or manufactured?


Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims - Washington Times

The White House's claim that large and boisterous protests against health care reform over the past week have been scripted performances, underwritten by industry lobbyists and the Republican Party, continues to run into a stubborn reality check: public polling on the matter.

For more than two weeks, polls have consistently shown growing resistance to President Obama's reform proposals, largely because of concerns about the nation's deficit and debt.

"There are a number of statistically valid public opinion polls that show that there has been a dramatic increase in public concern about escalating deficits and debt levels and our nation's increased reliance on foreign lenders," said David Walker, the nation's former comptroller general.


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"It's easy for people to say they're in favor of raising taxes on rich people and business, but when you ask them whether they're in favor of increasing the deficit ... [to do] health care, that's a trade-off question and that's the question that really matters," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.

A Quinnipiac poll last week found "strong support for critical elements of the Obama/Democratic plan" but also found that the nation's projected $1.8 trillion deficit was the overriding concern of the poll's 2,409 respondents.

A majority, 57 percent, said health care reform should be abandoned if it will "significantly" add to the deficit. Mr. Obama has promised that any reform will not add to the budget imbalance, but 72 percent of the registered voters surveyed by Quinnipiac said they did not think Mr. Obama would be able to deliver on that vow.


Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims - Washington Times


A National Public Radio poll of 850 likely voters in late July showed that 48 percent thought the president's policies have increased the federal deficit and done little to slow job loss, while 45 percent said Mr. Obama has blunted the recession and set a foundation for recovery. The poll also showed 47 percent opposition to the Obama health care reforms in Congress, with 42 percent support.

A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll of 1,011 adults on July 30 showed that 42 percent thought the current health care reforms were a bad idea, while 36 percent thought them a good idea. More surprisingly, Republicans in Congress were more trusted to fix the budget deficit by a 31 percent to 25 percent margin, a drastic turnaround from January, when Democrats held the edge by a margin of 42 percent to 20 percent.

But a July 27 poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press showed that 55 percent of 1,506 people surveyed still favored "spending more to make health care more accessible and affordable," compared with the 40 percent who disagreed with that statement. However, that same poll showed 43 percent disapproval of Mr. Obama's handling of the health care debate, 53 percent disapproval on the economy, and said that 44 percent "generally oppose" the health care proposals in Congress, while 38 percent generally favor them and 18 percent said they didn't know.

The White House at first responded to the poll numbers by claiming that Americans were being influenced by "misinformation." At one point in the middle of last week, an anonymous White House official told Politico that "poll numbers now, for health care, are up."

When asked by The Washington Times to verify that latter statement, however, no one in the White House communications office would own up to the quote or defend it.


But as protests erupted a week ago and spilled onto the Internet via YouTube and the Drudge Report, the administration took a new tack. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called the now-visible opposition "manufactured anger."

The Democratic National Committee piled on, calling the protesters "mobs" and even saying they were being "bused in" to events by "by well-funded, highly organized groups run by Republican operatives and funded by the special interests."

Brad Woodhouse, the DNC spokesman who made those accusations, said in an e-mail exchange that the evidence of protesters being bussed in came from "anecdotal reports" along with eyewitness accounts from some at an Aug. 2 forum in Philadelphia. The accounts said people saw buses from North Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia.



Drooping polls undercut scripted protest claims - Washington Times


But Mr. Walker, the former comptroller, said the dissatisfaction being expressed was not a minority view but rather a reaction to the government's arrogance, pointing to the polls as quantifiable evidence.

"What's going on is there is increasing concern, which in some cases has turned to outrage, with how far out of touch and out of control Washington has become," Mr. Walker said.

Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform, also noted that polling was a problem for the Democrats' attempts to delegitimize their opposition.

"If the polls were showing 80 percent support for Obama's health care plan, if the polls were showing increasing support for Obama personally, then you could say, 'Hey where are these people coming from?' " Mr. Norquist said. "But every poll shows that support for his plan or what they're talking about doing on health care is plummeting, personal support for Obama is plummeting."

Virtually every poll published during the last few weeks has shown the president's job approval declining noticeably, under duress from growing dissatisfaction over his handling of health care and the economy, and also from his comments about a racially charged incident involving the arrest of a black Harvard professor by a white Boston police officer.
 
So you are trying to counter the scripted protest claims by linking stuff from the Washington Times?... okay...:shock:
 
A little logic for you. Just because there is growing opposition to the democratic health care plan does not mean that there is also not scripted protests.
 
I will remember that the next time you argue about a source...




Make sure its when I argue about WND, Newsmax, etc.... :thumbs:



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(note: when I go after say the NY times. its never a one liner like that. I explain why, and cite examples. just sayin.... :shrug:)
 
Who gives a rats buttocks if there are any "scripted" protests?

The FACT remains that this effort by this administration is a cynical application of the worst in politics.

The question Liberal lemmings who desperately cling to every policy this administration espouses regardless of their obvious failings is this; are your political leaders going to be under the same Government program as the rest of us? If not, why not?

The answer is OBVIOUS to all but the most unintelligent and gullible among us.

What I find so laughable is that so many want to swallow the swill being dished out by the Democrats without them answering such a simple and obvious question; when Obama was asked this question he arrogantly laughed it off and basically said this; "silly peasants, I am the President, I will always get the BEST care while you peasants get what I decide is best for you."

I cannot for the life me understand how anyone with HALF a brain can swallow the BS this administration and the morons running congress are dishing out suggesting that the Government can insure 45 million uninsured Americans and NOT raise taxes for anyone one but the tiny 1.5% of the wealthiest among us.

It is equally stunning that anyone with HALF a brain can believe that this program will somehow pay for itself with efficiencies and savings when the ONLY way the Governments of all other nations have controlled costs was by removing services and denying coverage of specialized care that saves lives.

But alas, the people who swallow this swill also desperately defend spending this nation into a $1.8 trillion deficit without one honest debate about how they will pay for it and ramping up the National Debt to the point where it is almost as large as GDP.

Here’s another question those with only half a brain and who willingly swallow this Democrat swill; what happens to our currency when DEBT begins to match or exceed GDP?

Perhaps then with that answer the light will start to turn on for you. This country is spending $100 MILLION dollars a day paying the interest on our debt and this figure is skyrocketing. $100 MILLION people; THINK about it.
 
Will has Rev Envy I think.




You know. If will wants to troll and bait me, he could at least put some effort into it so I am not sitting here trying to decipher his nonsensical posts sometimes.


It's most displeasing to have to suffer incomprehension. :lol:
 
You know. If will wants to troll and bait me, he could at least put some effort into it so I am not sitting here trying to decipher his nonsensical posts sometimes.


It's most displeasing to have to suffer incomprehension. :lol:

C'mon Rev, it's like a shy, and bashful virgin on her wedding night, she gets flustered as talk of "time to turn in for the night" comes up. She doesn't know how to act, or what to say...

Will is showing all the signs of suffering the same... shyness.
 
:lol: we are upstairs.... SO I will refrain from commenting further... But funny stuff... :thumbs:
 
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