Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care

[celticlord]

Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care : Local Politics : Memphis Commercial Appeal

Cohen invited area physicians to share their opinions on health care reform.

Dr. Neal Beckford was roundly booed when he said 50 million people were without health insurance.

However, he pointed out that as a society Americans need to decide what they want.

"And when we've decided what we want and how much it cost, we then need collectively to decide what we are willing to pay," he said.

Cardiologist Dr. James Klemis believes that ethically the poor must be taken care of. But this bill is being rushed and is too similar to Canada's and Britain's socialized medicine, he said.

"The problem is, government can't be the solution. It's got to be within the community," Klemis said.

Dr. Laura Bishop shared her disdain for insurance companies but is no fan of Washington's plan.

"Government getting involved in deciding what health care you are receiving is not the way to go," Bishop said.

GovernmentCare is unpopular medicine. GovernmentCare is bad medicine.

It will take more than a teaspoon of sugar for this medicine to go down.

 

[Redress]

Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care : Local Politics : Memphis Commercial Appeal


GovernmentCare is unpopular medicine. GovernmentCare is bad medicine.

It will take more than a teaspoon of sugar for this medicine to go down.

Yes, because 3 doctors argue against it, it must be bad.

 

[hazlnut]

Town hall tension: Meeting turns ugly over health care : Local Politics : Memphis Commercial Appeal


GovernmentCare is unpopular medicine. GovernmentCare is bad medicine.

It will take more than a teaspoon of sugar for this medicine to go down.

How do your talking points relate to the article?

Make an effort Celtic.


It seems like a variety of opinions and agendas were represented at this particular Town Hall and despite the attempt to disrupt the meeting, the Dr. was rattled and was able to get the audience about some of the issues.

Most people who I encounter getting real vocal about health care reform, have no clue what they're talking about. When you want to ship a package you have a choice. Fedex, UPS, or, the evil government sponsored Post office. The USPS keeps the private carriers honest with regard to pricing.

 

[Redress]

How do your talking points relate to the article?

Make an effort Celtic.

He is making an effort. He is trying to create as many threads complaining about Obama and democrats as possible to try and create the impression that people are more against both than they actually are. That takes effort, and he is sacrificing any credibility he had to do it.

 

[Grim17]

He is making an effort. He is trying to create as many threads complaining about Obama and democrats as possible to try and create the impression that people are more against both than they actually are. That takes effort, and he is sacrificing any credibility he had to do it.

According to every poll I've seen, the majority of Americans are against the government taking over and running the health care industry. Most agree that health care needs to be reformed, but a government take over is not the answer.

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[apdst]

Yes, because 3 doctors argue against it, it must be bad.

Sounds like more than just three people were against it.

From the article:

Most people in the crowd of close to 500 were in loud opposition, although Cohen supporters held their own, waving signs that read "Health Care Now."

 

[rathi]

The nearly all-white audience was not a snapshot of the mostly African-American 9th District that Cohen represents.

It looks like astroturfing town hall meetings is the new political tactic of choice. Given the organizational capabilities of modern technology, its amazing that it took this long for someone to catch on. The democrats seem to be a step behind, but I suspect they will be adopting the same maneuvers soon enough.

 

[apdst]

The nearly all-white audience was not a snapshot of the mostly African-American 9th District that Cohen represents.

Race just had to be brought into it at some point.

 

[Redress]

Race just had to be brought into it at some point.

That was not bringing race into it, it was showing that the people at the meeting where not representative of the district. It would be like saying "President Obama is black" is bringing race into a topic. It's not using race, it's pointing out an unarguable fact.

 

[apdst]

That was not bringing race into it, it was showing that the people at the meeting where not representative of the district. It would be like saying "President Obama is black" is bringing race into a topic. It's not using race, it's pointing out an unarguable fact.

If they were constituents, then they were representitive of the people of the district that oppose the medical entitlement program. Just because the district is mostly black, doesn't mean the white folks have to sit back and shut up. Believe it, or not, they have a right to speak out. This is America, for the time being, anyway.

 

[Redress]

If they were constituents, then they were representitive of the people of the district that oppose the medical entitlement program. Just because the district is mostly black, doesn't mean the white folks have to sit back and shut up. Believe it, or not, they have a right to speak out. This is America, for the time being, anyway.

No one suggested that white people should not have a voice, only that the people who showed up where not representative of the makeup of the district. Don't go building that strawman.

 

[Harry Guerrilla]

How do your talking points relate to the article?

Make an effort Celtic.


It seems like a variety of opinions and agendas were represented at this particular Town Hall and despite the attempt to disrupt the meeting, the Dr. was rattled and was able to get the audience about some of the issues.

Most people who I encounter getting real vocal about health care reform, have no clue what they're talking about. When you want to ship a package you have a choice. Fedex, UPS, or, the evil government sponsored Post office. The USPS keeps the private carriers honest with regard to pricing.

Err, you do know that USPS uses Fedex because they are more efficient and can do the same thing that USPS tries do at a lower cost.
USPS also has a monopoly of services and can use taxpayer funds to cover their losses which are getting bigger and bigger every year.

They also do things that they postal service won't do like, "These services also deliver packages which are larger and heavier than what the USPS will accept."

How can the post office keep these guys honest when they are doing better than the post office? If anything the USPS is distorting the true price of service by relying on taxpayer funds to cover it's losses.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Postal_Service]United States Postal Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

[apdst]

No one suggested that white people should not have a voice, only that the people who showed up where not representative of the makeup of the district. Don't go building that strawman.

You must being saying that they can't have their say based on that, then.

 

[Redress]

You must being saying that they can't have their say based on that, then.

No, that is not what I am saying at all.

 

[apdst]

No, that is not what I am saying at all.

Perhaps it you that's throwing Mr. Strawman out there.

 

[rathi]

My point is that its likely the people showing up for the townhall meeting are not actually representative of districts constituents. One would expect a grassroots movement to be made up of people mirror the community they live in. I would suspect these people are simply an organized minority in the neighborhood, although they could have been brought in from outside the district.

 

[apdst]

My point is that its likely the people showing up for the townhall meeting are not actually representative of districts constituents. One would expect a grassroots movement to be made up of people mirror the community they live in. I would suspect these people are simply an organized minority in the neighborhood, although they could have been brought in from outside the district.

I bet you wouldn't say that if that orgonized majority was made up of minority persons. And if anyone did, they would be labeled racists. Kinda like the Jena march a few years back.

 

[Redress]

Perhaps it you that's throwing Mr. Strawman out there.

How is it a strawman to say that if a district is, say 75 % black, that a meeting that is predominantly white is not representative of the district? In fact, how is it anything other than an accurate statement. What strawman are you claiming I am building?

 

[apdst]

How is it a strawman to say that if a district is, say 75 % black, that a meeting that is predominantly white is not representative of the district? In fact, how is it anything other than an accurate statement. What strawman are you claiming I am building?

It sounds like you're making your comments more and more irrelevent with every post. Why even bring it up, it has zero relevence to the topic? Reaching?

 

[rathi]

I bet you wouldn't say that if that orgonized majority was made up of minority persons. And if anyone did, they would be labeled racists. Kinda like the Jena march a few years back.

If a group of mostly black people showed up a Malibu city council meeting claiming to be representative of the city, I would say exactly the same thing.

 

[Ethereal]

Yes, because 3 doctors argue against it, it must be bad.

Do you even know what's in this 1,000 page health care bill?

 

[Redress]

Do you even know what's in this 1,000 page health care bill?

No one knows every detail. Not you, not me, not the people protesting for or against.

 

[Harshaw]

No one knows every detail. Not you, not me, not the people protesting for or against.

That's not a problem for you?

 

[WillRockwell]

There is no reason for anyone to be angry about healthcare reform because not only are there no details to get upset about, but it has been made clear that anyone who likes their healthcare coverage may keep it. The "anger" is all phony, or perhaps these people are angry because the president is black.

 

[Redress]

That's not a problem for you?

Of course it is. In fact, I was against the pushing through the stimulus package so fast for that same reason. However, any health care bill is probably at least a couple months out from passage, so hopefully by then, this will be less of an issue.