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Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

To everybody:

In order to debate, it is helpful to have the facts. The article from the Dallas morning news in the OP is about John Cornyn saying that an enemies list is being compiled, but the actual article on the White House blog is what you should be looking at.

Here is the original article at the White House blog.

I suggest that everybody, on BOTH sides of the issue, read it, and watch the 2 videos that are embedded there. After that, feel free to post what you believe it to be, and use any part of the link to back up what you are saying.

Wow, this must be the NEW Dan that falls for Government propaganda. However, let's look at Obama videos we are MORE concerned with where he is telling us what he REALLY thinks and not posturing for the cameras and LYING:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbXrSK_VfME"]YouTube - Barack Obama: I Want Universal Health Care, Not Private Insurance (2007) [Naked Emperor News][/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE&feature=related"]YouTube - Obama on single payer health insurance[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7wTDK-LwqE&feature=related"]YouTube - Obama On Single Payer Health Care[/ame]

So with that, when this administration enters into a disinformation campaign to support the idea of "government" healthcare and wants people to send them links to those who disagree with them in a paranoid fashion, then people rightfully should be concerned about an "enemies list". That is, unless you are a kool-aid drinking all out Obamamaniac supporter.
 
Well there you go again Sam, using nonsensical hyperbolic bile in lieu of genuine honest debate; you never disappoint however.



My, what a fascinatingly high self opinion you have of yourself without any evidence to support such a high self opinion.

I suggest you read and comprehend the OP before attempting to rip anything but your credibility to shreds.

When you do, please share with us how it is you have no problems with the Government trying to combat the opinions of the citizens instead of selling their program with honest facts and how you are more concerned with the potential "disinformation" out there than the "disinformation" being spewed by this Administration on this topic.

Carry on. :rofl

It is not as much a high opinion of myself, but rather a low opinion of people that either require themselves to lie, or people too freaking stupid to figure out the obvious, or people that are just confused because they did bother to actually read.

Would you like a link? Want to watch it for yourself here?

Now Senor Cornyn was, quoted:
Texas Sen. John Cornyn, accusing the White House of compiling an "enemies list," has asked President Barack Obama to stop an effort to collect "fishy" information Americans see about a health care overhaul.

Cornyn, who leads the Republicans' Senate campaign effort, said Wednesday in a letter to Obama that he's concerned that citizen engagement on the issue could be "chilled." He also expressed alarm that the White House could end up collecting electronic information on its critics.

I think Sen. Cornyn may just win the douchiest Senator of the year award.

Now the article goes on to state:
Cornyn was responding to a post on the White House's blog Wednesday in which users are asked to help stop the spread of disinformation about legislation to overhaul health insurance. The post offers an e-mail address, flag@whitehouse.gov, for users to forward anything "on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy."

Anything on the web that seems fishy...yep, that clearly says "Collect list of enemies". Or does it?

In his letter, Cornyn asked that the effort cease immediately and that the administration inform Congress what it's doing to ensure that names and electronic information about citizens weighing in on health care are not collected.

Kevin McLaughlin, a spokesman for the senator, said that the office had received no response from the administration.

He said Cornyn had not yet considered whether he would push for legislation to address the matter if necessary.

Really Sen. Cornyn, could you be any more of a paranoid douchebag? Now first off, this takes about 2 brain cells to figure out. If a person finds a webpage they think has "intentionally misleading information", they could use a Gmail account if so paranoid. But something tells me that a lot of the people that would be doing this probably already have submitted their e-mails as freaking supporters! Wait, what is that at the top of the page I see, Get Updates? I can voluntarily submit my e-mail address and get updates. Imagine that. Still having trouble finding where I provide the White House with personal information so they can collect that for their enemies list to prepare for our invasion of Poland.

Now, what "Disinformation" could we possibly see? Oh, maybe something like this:

Talk Radio Campaign Frightening Seniors
Yep, the Kill Granny campaign of lies and distortions. But is there another maybe?

E-mail 'analysis' of health bill needs a check-up

I liked this one, took me a whole .0000000000001 second to shoot down more lies one of your comrades here tried to spread.

As for reading and comprehending the OP:
It took the Dallas News to make this a Breaking News story.
Wow, simply amazing...except this was actually old news when he posted this.

Then he goes on to say...
It's time to wake up to the truth that this Obama person is modeling hie enemies list after the Nationalist Socialist party of Germany of 1919 to 1945
To which I can only say God damn I hope they have good provisions in the health care reform bill for mental health treatment, because this is paranoid delusion. Or dishonest fear mongering, you know just like what the White House is trying to do right now which is at the heart of this topic.
 
Yeah, they probably asked for chain emails knowing that some people will forward it with the previous recipients attached, so they can covertly build a massive database of people who recieve chain letters so they can....do things with it

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Thank god we have the GOP to uncover this dastardly plot based on....nothing whatsoever
 
Yeah, they probably asked for chain emails knowing that some people will forward it with the previous recipients attached, so they can covertly build a massive database of people who recieve chain letters so they can....do things with it

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Thank god we have the GOP to uncover this dastardly plot based on....nothing whatsoever

HOLY CRAP...You have figured it out. They will have a massive list of..just e-mail addresses then that they can do what with?

Wait, I know...OMG this is pure genius. The White House is going to sell this list to spammers and marketers and pay off the debt. Wow, simply genius.
 
The whole idea of this flag@whitehouse.gov website is to frighten people out of stating their opinions in excursive of their right to free speech because the White House and the majority of Democrat Party have run into an informed public that knows more of the contents and pit falls within this Socialist plan than most if not all of Congress and Obama because we did the research and found the flaws that are all through it. In the effort they are lying about who is protesting at Town Hall meetings and why they are there.
It's not lies Obama wants stopped it's the truth, because Obama and his minions are the ones spreading lies and they want to know how to blunt the truth of what is being said with more lies obfuscation and straw men. And now in this forum there are some who claim to be conservative that I believe are lending them aid in their quest.
 
The whole idea of this flag@whitehouse.gov website is to frighten people out of stating their opinions in excursive of their right to free speech because the White House and the majority of Democrat Party have run into an informed public that knows more of the contents and pit falls within this Socialist plan than most if not all of Congress and Obama because we did the research and found the flaws that are all through it. In the effort they are lying about who is protesting at Town Hall meetings and why they are there.
It's not lies Obama wants stopped it's the truth, because Obama and his minions are the ones spreading lies and they want to know how to blunt the truth of what is being said with more lies obfuscation and straw men. And now in this forum there are some who claim to be conservative that I believe are lending them aid in their quest.

Disregard my last post. Councilman has uncovered the truth.

Obama told one of his staffers to make a post on the whitehouse blog asking people to send chain letters to the whitehouse. He did this because he knew that some people would also forward the email addresses of other recipients. He can use this to covertly build a massive database of the email addresses of people who get chain letters. He knows that people know that he can use this database of emails to .....do things

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He also knew that when people figured out the real purpose of the blog post asking for chain letters, it would become news. When people found out about it it would frighten them, immediately ceasing all GOP opposition to the healthcare plan. This lack of opposition from the right is necessary, because even though the democrats have complete control of the legislature, congress never does anything if a large portion of the population is against it.
 
Everyone, I was just informed by the head agent at headquarters that once we have compiled everyone's personal information, I will be ordered to change all your passwords...muahahhahahaha

Seriously, this is one of the dumbest of threads, sorry I just have to say that. This is delusional parania reaching unhealthy levels. People need to take a step back and use their noggins.

The Communications Director for the White House simply asked for people who saw misleading information to have this passed on to them so they could know what is being said. What, not by who, WHAT.

Do you get that, WHAT...not WHO....WHAT.

So if you see a webpage, you can e-mail that. If you get an e-mail, you can forward that as well. There is no request for who. You can use a hotmail account to even send for god's sake. All they want to see is the subject, the what. You know, kind of like the certain B.S. just posted here an hour ago about government is now going to access your bank accounts?

Think about the subject of this thread, maybe this belongs in..I don't know Conspiracy? No, because there is no conspiracy at work here. Everything is clearly there if people would just use their damn brains for once.
The fact is that we simply don't know what their intentions are or what they will do with information such as email addresses of individual citizens. That uncertainty can have a chilling effect and stifle free speech. Anything the government does that can have that kind of effect on free speech is of questionable Constitutionality at best.

It's like Nixon collecting the names of war protesters. There was no certainty about what he would do with that information but it was still wrong.
 
Whose job is it to respond to public political campaigns against White House policies?
Can't they just go to youtube instead of asking people to forward emails which contain the addresses of individual citizens?
 
It took the Dallas News to make this a Breaking News story.
It's time to wake up to the truth that this Obama person is modeling hie enemies list after the Nationalist Socialist party of Germany of 1919 to 1945.

Uh-oh. Next thing you know he'll be wire tapping without warrants.

You got to relax about this type of stuff dude. The White House has always and will always do what it feels is in the best interest of our country while keeping close to the Declaration of Independance. Critics went ape **** over Nixon.....Carter....Reagan.....Clinton.....and Bush. And now Obama. We have seen the critics complain about one president turing our country into a Nazi Regime, another into a warmongering nation hell bent on nuclear destruction, another who encouraged terrorism against us, and another who pandered to the public popularity polls at the expense of "soldier" blood.

Our government, over the span of history, has generated lists of "communists," "Nazis," "Klansmen," "terrorists," "war protestors," etc. There will always be something about our Presidents that is determined to be thoroughly "un-American" by the critics who seek to complain only when the wrong color (blue/red) sits on high.
 
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The thing about Obama that has many people fearful, or at least me, is that while past presidents have done reprehensible things and should have/should be held accountable, Obama has done a lot of these very radical things in such a short period of time - not to mention the speed and careless nature of trying to get this stuff (Cap & Trade, the health care bill, etc)and on top of that, we don't know if we can trust their words as the real motive behind them wanting the information they seek on so-called disinformation spreaders, I sure as hell won't start crazy theories but I too am praying that the reasoning doesn't turn out to be that which would sent Orwell spinning in his grave.
 
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That is the problem, NO ONE is compiling email addresses.
Or so they say...I wouldn't put it past the government considering they tried to claim ownership of private computers under cash for clunkers (thankfully that plan backfired).

But by compiling these emails...they ARE compiling the email addresses included with them...that's the point...

Now to be fair there is nothing illegal here. The White House can request to get emails if it wants. But the situation is strange, and the intentions stated may not always be the actual intentions.
 
The whole idea of this flag@whitehouse.gov website is to frighten people out of stating their opinions in excursive of their right to free speech because the White House and the majority of Democrat Party have run into an informed public that knows more of the contents and pit falls within this Socialist plan than most if not all of Congress and Obama because we did the research and found the flaws that are all through it. In the effort they are lying about who is protesting at Town Hall meetings and why they are there.
It's not lies Obama wants stopped it's the truth, because Obama and his minions are the ones spreading lies and they want to know how to blunt the truth of what is being said with more lies obfuscation and straw men. And now in this forum there are some who claim to be conservative that I believe are lending them aid in their quest.


Okay. First off, they're not "flaws". A "flaw" is a mistake, and Democrats have never made a mistake, just ask the shrill shills paid to post here for them, or the mindless robots that do it for free.

Also, just because something really really rotten has been discovered in the bill, it's wrong to assume that it's there accidentally, or that the people that wrote it weren't 100% aware of what it really means. They're going to pretend otherwise, but why believe them. Assume that the rationed end-of-life care is deliberate.
 
I do? Please show me where I accept this. Also, what does this have to do with the topic?

Are you now claiming that the government that can't run a lemonade stand ISN'T trying to confiscate 1/6 of the US economy?

Make up your mind.
 
To everybody:

In order to debate, it is helpful to have the facts. The article from the Dallas morning news in the OP is about John Cornyn saying that an enemies list is being compiled, but the actual article on the White House blog is what you should be looking at.

Here is the original article at the White House blog.

I suggest that everybody, on BOTH sides of the issue, read it, and watch the 2 videos that are embedded there. After that, feel free to post what you believe it to be, and use any part of the link to back up what you are saying.


For the record, the President has consistently said that if you like your insurance plan, your doctor, or both, you will be able to keep them. He has even proposed eight consumer protections relating specifically to the health insurance industry.

For the record, your Messiah's done a lot of lying, so why should we allow ourselves to be suckered this time?
 
Some people are erroneously fixating upon the intent behind the policy instead of the possibility of abuse which arises as a consequence of its implementation.

Whether or not the government actually intends to collect the personal information of people found disseminating "misinformation" is irrelevant to the policy's legitimacy under the US Constitution.

Identifying "misinformation" in regards to the President's health care agenda is not a sufficient justification for targeting political dissention. The mere possibility of abuse is enough to have a chilling affect on free-speech.
 
Some people are erroneously fixating upon the intent behind the policy instead of the possibility of abuse which arises as a consequence of its implementation.

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Identifying "misinformation" in regards to the President's health care agenda is not a sufficient justification for targeting political dissention. The mere possibility of abuse is enough to have a chilling affect on free-speech.

And indeed, upon pondering this more, chills went down my back... strong discomforting chills.

I think of both: Why do this, what are their motives, and what are the implications of these actions.

There are many shaking this off as "Oh they just want information so they can debunk "mis information"" - problem is, what exactly are doing with the information? Why don't they seek / respond to the information themselves instead of seeking out the people behind the perpetuation of said information - or relying on others to get the info for them? I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but at the same time when something fishy is going on, I ask "Hey, what the **** is going on?"
 
there is A LOT of misinformation being passed around as truth scaring citizens half out of there mind..

I can agree with that statement. Unfortunately for you and me the disinformation is coming from the whitehouse on many levels. Just look at the actions and dont listen to the words anymore.
 
The thing about Obama that has many people fearful, or at least me, is that while past presidents have done reprehensible things and should have/should be held accountable, Obama has done a lot of these very radical things in such a short period of time - not to mention the speed and careless nature of trying to get this stuff (Cap & Trade, the health care bill, etc)and on top of that, we don't know if we can trust their words as the real motive behind them wanting the information they seek on so-called disinformation spreaders, I sure as hell won't start crazy theories but I too am praying that the reasoning doesn't turn out to be that which would sent Orwell spinning in his grave.

Well to that I say, let's pass out tinfoil hats to everyone. Again, how many times does this need to be repeated, by now it is like beating a dead horse. They are NOT, I repeat NOT asking for personal information. There is a big difference if they said tell us WHO is spreading disinformation. Wouldn't you say? They are asking for WHAT, not WHO.

Some of this stuff is getting downright insane, and by that I mean the paranoid rantings in fear of this or that. Cap and trade, good example. Do people even realize that Cap and trade is not new? Do they? 1990 Clean Air Act everyone, so please take off your tinfoil. Healthcare reform? Well there you go, have you looked at any of the disinformation being spread? The kill granny campaign? Look at my previous post in this thread, that is debunked to hell. Or look at this:

Republicans Propagating Falsehoods in Attacks on Health-Care Reform


Read the article, look at the lies being spread, and then try to tell me that an administration that is in support of this should take no action in countering disinformation. Maybe she did not choose her words properly for some, for me it was clear as day. Regardless, no matter which way you spin this, there is no effort to collect or data mine people's information.

At this point anyone left still believing this needs to head out for psychiatric care, for they are certainly suffering from paranoid delusions.
 
I can agree with that statement. Unfortunately for you and me the disinformation is coming from the whitehouse on many levels. Just look at the actions and dont listen to the words anymore.

Please do pray tell list the disinformation, you really think there is anything so egregious as Kill Granny euthanasia programs? Or how about today's B.S. that the right tried to propagate (that I shot down in .0001 seconds) the whole "Government will have access to your checking account".

So if there is disinformation, please do list it.
 
Perhaps it would be important for BOTH sides to stop the theorizing until we hear more, as far as I know, your conjecture is just as much speculation as that which fuels the fears. How do we know that which they had not actually stated or implied, also considering the misleading that has and probably will continue to go on for the next 3 years. Blind paranoia is bad, but blind dismissal/acceptance is just as bad. Not worse, just as bad.
 
And indeed, upon pondering this more, chills went down my back... strong discomforting chills.

I think of both: Why do this, what are their motives, and what are the implications of these actions.

There are many shaking this off as "Oh they just want information so they can debunk "mis information"" - problem is, what exactly are doing with the information? Why don't they seek / respond to the information themselves instead of seeking out the people behind the perpetuation of said information - or relying on others to get the info for them? I'm not one to jump to conclusions, but at the same time when something fishy is going on, I ask "Hey, what the **** is going on?"

In response to the emboldened portion of your text, according to the policy in question there is no stated attempt to identify the personal information of people disseminating "fishy" material.

I'm arguing that whether or not the government intends to collect such information is irrelevant because the mere possibility of abuse which arises as a consequence of this policy's implementation is enough to have a chilling affect on free speech. Consider the following:

A person wants to circulate an email, amongst their acquaintances, criticizing the President's health care plan. That such an email could be reported to the government for inspection is enough to potentially discourage this person from exercising their right to free speech. Never mind that the government's stated policy is to collect information limited to the email's content - as opposed to its origin - the possibility for abuse still exists, which could conceivably have a chilling affect on free speech, rendering such policy invalid in the eyes of the law.
 
In response to the emboldened portion of your text, according to the policy in question there is no stated attempt to identify the personal information of people disseminating "fishy" material.

I'm arguing that whether or not the government intends to collect such information is irrelevant because the mere possibility of abuse which arises as a consequence of this policy's implementation is enough to have a chilling affect on free speech. Consider the following:

A person wants to circulate an email, amongst their acquaintances, criticizing the President's health care plan. That such an email could be reported to the government for inspection is enough to potentially discourage this person from exercising their right to free speech. Never mind that the government's stated policy is to collect information limited to the email's content - as opposed to its origin - the possibility for abuse still exists, which could conceivably have a chilling affect on free speech, rendering such policy invalid in the eyes of the law.

People that paranoid need to be locked up, or under the supervision of a psychiatrist. If you really think that this is suppression, I do not even know where to begin. Someone sits in fear about sending an e-mail, that the big government will come to get them. Like I said, they need mental health help, so I think they might have more pressing concerns, like their sanity.
 
People that paranoid need to be locked up, or under the supervision of a psychiatrist.

Yes, because healthy skepticism is the same as outright paranoia. :doh

At no time have I made any post that indicated anything close to a govt conspiracy to track/lock up people, I was asking questions based upon what I saw was a very generalized and broad address of an issue, without clarification about what exactly they want/want to do with it, which means we don't know which means one has to be aware so they don't abuse / mission creep with the information, or desire for information.
 
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People that paranoid need to be locked up, or under the supervision of a psychiatrist.

Being fearful of the government is not a crime in this country; it's a fundamental part of our history. Your desire to imprison people who have committed no crime aptly demonstrates your contempt for freedom.

If you really think that this is suppression, I do not even know where to begin. Someone sits in fear about sending an e-mail, that the big government will come to get them. Like I said, they need mental health help, so I think they might have more pressing concerns, like their sanity.

The potential for abuse is enough to warrant fear. The government has no place encouraging people to report political dissent for executive inspection.
 
Being fearful of the government is not a crime in this country; it's a fundamental part of our history. Your desire to imprison people who have committed no crime aptly demonstrates your contempt for freedom.

Obviously I was referring to having someone committed to an asylum, but you know that.

The potential for abuse is enough to warrant fear. The government has no place encouraging people to report political dissent for executive inspection.

So, the administration has no right to have their supporters inform them of disinformation being spread so they can respond to lies? You know they are still entitled to interact with their supporters within the party.
 
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