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Cornyn accuses White House of compiling 'enemies list'

We're talking Democrats here. What they'll do with this information is send hidden requests to the IRS to audit them, get their names on the TSA's Do Not Fly list, and research them to find other ways to destroy their lives, their businesses, and their careers.

One clear shot....climb the tree and see who sent off the major branches, and inform their employers that their computers are being used in an inappropriate manner the Messiah finds objectionable.
When it was happening to liberals and war protesters it was just fine, right? the time to be outraged was eight years ago. You are accusing the Obama administration of the same thing that the Bush administration did to it's political enemies.
 
I'm guessing that you are a staunch defender of homosexual rights correct? For gay marriage?

I'm guessing that you're a staunch supporter of illegal immigrants having right sin this country yes? Allow them to have emergency medical coverage, go to school on our dime, etc?

I'm guessing you had no issues with war protesters and were staunch opponents of GWB's "free speech zones" and called them unamerican for questioning a president during a crisis other such things right?

You know because...

They came for the gay people,
and I did not speak up because I was not gay

Then they came after the illegal immigrants,
and I did not speak up because I was not illegal

Then they came after war protesters,
and I did not speak up because I supported the war

Then they came for me -

Do you realize that no matter how famous that idiotic bit of dribble is its so hypocritically overused its not even funny any longer?

As a moderator I would have expected that you would come up with a more intelligent response and not try to project your personal feelings onto others. You clearly have missed the point. That being that this is the tip of an iceberg capable of sinking a Nation if not dealt with in a stern and timely manner. Your tactic is not unlike those of Liberals who attempt to obfuscate the facts and true meaning of my post and create false impressions in place of the truth. The truth is Obama is dangerous as are those who continue to support him in the face of the facts that what he is doing is anti American.
I was trying to make people think, but alas I seem to have failed in at least in the case of one closet liberal.
 
When it was happening to liberals and war protesters it was just fine, right?

Man, you people seriously have to abandon your hypocrisy. All you can see is mirrors.

Also, demonstrate your impressive knowlege of current events and tell the class what happened to Billy Dale.
 
This is the very type of ridiculous blind disciple followers statement I expected of the uneducated Liberals and others who would doom us to a repeat of the Socialist activities of Germany until they were defeated in WWII. If you don't care what Obama does Just say so and Identify yourself as someone who doesn't care about the Constitution's Bill of Rights. I pray this is where it ends before it comes to this.

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

Then they came for me —
and by that time no one was left to speak up.

I thought this would work. See, this is the exact same reasoning the "Very Conservative" of this very board use to justify the Patriot Act. Thanks for proving my point :2wave:. Would you like me to quote the Conservatives who have said this exact same thing about the Patriot Act or would you like to save their embarassment?
 
Starting off with Godwin, eh?

Once again, he doesn't want to know who is spreading chain letters, he wants to know what the chain letters are say. God forbid the whitehouse try to keep a handle on what rumors are flying around

The desperate defenses of the indefensible continue; but let’s look at the relevant point of what Cornyn said was:

"I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward e-mails critical of his policies to the White House," Cornyn wrote.

I can hear claims of Nazi storm troopers had Bush done such a childish effort on the part of this Administration.

Yes; "ve vill find out who is lying about our Health Care reform efforts and destroy zem."
 
Man, you people seriously have to abandon your hypocrisy. All you can see is mirrors.

Also, demonstrate your impressive knowlege of current events and tell the class what happened to Billy Dale.

YOU PEOPLE? What do you mean by "you people" and what does an ancient Clinton political scandal have to do with illegally gathering information on the American people? Clinton sold us out just as surely as Bush did.
 
I don't get it. If Conservatives have nothing to hide, why are they so paranoid?

How are Conservatives the paranoid ones? How fascinating that you don't comprehend the definition of paranoia.

But then, you were probably one of the paranoid Liberals during Bush's Presidency and blathered the typical hyperbolic fear mongering that he was listening into all our conversations and taking away our rights.

:rofl
 
How are Conservatives the paranoid ones? How fascinating that you don't comprehend the definition of paranoia.

But then, you were probably one of the paranoid Liberals during Bush's Presidency and blathered the typical hyperbolic fear mongering that he was listening into all our conversations and taking away our rights.

:rofl

:rofl I already addressed this. You're just asking me to pull all of the "Very Conservatives" of this board that have said that exact phrase in response to the Patriot Act.
 
Now please pray tell how they are collecting an enemy list as the OP ridiculously claims?

What part of; "If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov", do you NOT get?

You know what I find Ironic; the fact that you think that it must be those who disagree with these bills that are spewing disinformation and NOT the White House.

Here's a clue for you; Government run healthcare leads to LESS choice, HIGHER costs and LONG waiting lists and lines. That is a FACT that currently exists in ALL programs in the world that are indeed Government run.

The spin comes from Obama and Democrats who desperately attempt to claim the OPPOSITE and LIE about this not being an effort to make Universal Healthcare the goal.

The fear mongering and lying that is currently the mantra of Liberal Democrats who desperately seek to FORCE this nation into Government run healthcare are more the tactics of Stalin than bi-partisan Democracy at work.

How funny to see the same Liberals who chanted that it was patriotic to impugn a Presidents war efforts when it was Bush now desperately claim it is unpatriotic to now do the same over this "post turtles" efforts to have a Government take over 1/3 of the American Economy. We call this IRONY. :rofl

Don't believe me that Obama wants Universal single payer Healthcare; here he is in his own words:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbXrSK_VfME"]YouTube - Barack Obama: I Want Universal Health Care, Not Private Insurance (2007) [Naked Emperor News][/ame]
 
I was trying to make people think, but alas I seem to have failed in at least in the case of one closet liberal.

You used pointless rhetoric to trump up your post which brings your entire posts credance into question, that's not anyones fault but your own. And you can keep up with the idiotic pathetically ignorant claim I'm a "closet liberal" if you want because just because I'm not slovenly hyper partisan like some on here you'll find absolutely no factual proof in anything I write to show where I support heavily any kind of liberal policy, and the few times I have you'll find it is for decidingly conservative reasons. So continue to prattle on, it just shows you yet again speaking on something from a platform of ignorance.
 
Who is surprised that ANYONE would want to know who is talking about them and specifically for the White House who is against their Health care bill?

If I am running a project I want to know who is publicly and privately rallying against me so I can talk with and try to persuade them to understand.

This coming from the very people who claimed that NSA attempts to intercept communications from potential terrorists overseas were an attack on rights to privacy? Interesting, yet Ironic. :2wave:
 
YOU PEOPLE? What do you mean by "you people" and what does an ancient Clinton political scandal have to do with illegally gathering information on the American people? Clinton sold us out just as surely as Bush did.

I meant "YOU" and the rest of the so-called "PEOPLE" that do what "YOU" do.

Looked up Billy Dale yet, since you just made it perfectly obvious you don't understand how Democrats operate in the Post-Rapist era?
 
Starting off with Godwin, eh?

Once again, he doesn't want to know who is spreading chain letters, he wants to know what the chain letters are say. God forbid the whitehouse try to keep a handle on what rumors are flying around




I keep fowarding them the mass mailing propaganda I get from the whitehouse but they haven't responded yet..... :lol:
 
The government already has a list of everyone's e mail address and all of their information including internet history and political party affiliation. Cornyn knows this for a fact.

False; no such data has been collected. But you are welcome to prove this with credible links and sources.

Remember back when all of the liberals were mad about the NSA collecting e mails and internet traffic information on all Americans? Remember when conservatives said only traitors and terrorists have anything to worry about? Where was Cornyn?

I do remember these paranoid false claims from Liberals. But the claim they made were all false; no such efforts existed. The NSA program primarily targeted communications outside of the USA to sources within and targeted key words; then and only if there was suspicions did it then go to the next level.

Remember when just being an anti-war protester was enough to get you on the terror watch list or the no-fly list? Remember when the FBI infiltrated dozens of peace activist groups? Where was Cornyn?

False; but of course you can support this with credible links and prove it correct.

There was a time when conservatives could have been outraged over government gathering information on us but that time was 8 years ago.

Conservatives rightly were not concerned with the Government gathering information on TERRORISTS; it is false to suggest it was all of us.

As far as I know the NSA still has the ability to spy on each and every one of us for whatever reason. As long as conservatives thought it only happened to liberals it was alright. Conservatives put these tools into the hands of the government and attempted to make it perfectly legal, time is long past to be suddenly outraged.

False; the NSA doesn't do this. But alas, Obama himself voted for the revised NSA bill. Perhaps you should start demanding his impeachment like you farcically did against Bush?

:2wave:
 
I'm guessing that you are a staunch defender of homosexual rights correct? For gay marriage?

I'm guessing that you're a staunch supporter of illegal immigrants having right sin this country yes? Allow them to have emergency medical coverage, go to school on our dime, etc?

I'm guessing you had no issues with war protesters and were staunch opponents of GWB's "free speech zones" and called them unamerican for questioning a president during a crisis other such things right?

You know because...

They came for the gay people,
and I did not speak up because I was not gay

Then they came after the illegal immigrants,
and I did not speak up because I was not illegal

Then they came after war protesters,
and I did not speak up because I supported the war

Then they came for me -

Do you realize that no matter how famous that idiotic bit of dribble is its so hypocritically overused its not even funny any longer?

Good lord, you take Red Herring to the next level don't you? :rofl

No one is coming for Gay people, or LEGAL Immigrants or War Protestors; that is absurd and more the fantasy world that apparently resides in that funny head of yours.

Carry on; I look forward to more emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense and red herrings than coherent points that relate to the thread.

:2wave:
 
Good lord, you take Red Herring to the next level don't you? :rofl

No one is coming for Gay people, or LEGAL Immigrants or War Protestors; that is absurd and more the fantasy world that apparently resides in that funny head of yours.

Carry on; I look forward to more emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense and red herrings than coherent points that relate to the thread.

:2wave:

And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either. Nothing except emotional hystericals which are more fantasical nonsense and red herrings than a coherent point.

Carry on
:2wave:

Now, you could argue he's infringing upon peoples rights or what people VIEW as their rights.

But if THAT'S your arguments then my post illustrates other similar circumstances where someones percieved rights, be it natural of state-protected, are also potentially being violated and yet he doesn't care.

Thanks, you're exactly correct TD! The OP was using nothing but emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense than coherent points.
 
Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
How are Conservatives the paranoid ones? How fascinating that you don't comprehend the definition of paranoia.

But then, you were probably one of the paranoid Liberals during Bush's Presidency and blathered the typical hyperbolic fear mongering that he was listening into all our conversations and taking away our rights.

:rofl I already addressed this. You're just asking me to pull all of the "Very Conservatives" of this board that have said that exact phrase in response to the Patriot Act.

I have NO idea what the hell you are attempting to argue; the attacks against the Patriot Act were another example of the paranoid hysterics Liberals blathered the media and internet with.

But alas, I have still to see anyone who can make the case or provide a legitimate example where the act took away anyone's constitutional rights.

:roll:
 
And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either. Nothing except emotional hystericals which are more fantasical nonsense and red herrings than a coherent point.

Carry on
:2wave:

That’s amusing considering that this thread is about Obama’s White House compiling lists of people who dare to spread “mis-information” about his healthcare bill.

What part of National Socialist do you not get? He made a valid comparison and you ramble on with hysterics about illegal aliens and gays?

What part of this do you not get?

Cornyn, who leads the Republicans' Senate campaign effort, said Wednesday in a letter to Obama that he's concerned that citizen engagement on the issue could be "chilled." He also expressed alarm that the White House could end up collecting electronic information on its critics.

"I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward e-mails critical of his policies to the White House," Cornyn wrote.


Now, you could argue he's infringing upon peoples rights or what people VIEW as their rights.

I didn’t see anyone arguing that he is infringing on people’s rights; I read it correctly as an attempt to chill citizen engagement in the debate…..in other words, for the emotionally hysterical; an attempt to stifle open debate by targeting Americans for rebuke.

But if THAT'S your arguments then my post illustrates other similar circumstances where someones percieved rights, be it natural of state-protected, are also potentially being violated and yet he doesn't care.

Your posts illustrates nonsensical rhetoric; nothing more. But perhaps you are fine with the US Government asking the citizens of this country to report on fellow citizens and gather information on them in an effort to attack their efforts to debate this very serious issue?

Thanks, you're exactly correct TD! The OP was using nothing but emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense than coherent points.

Now you project your own emotional hysterics onto the OP; why am I hardly surprised by this?

Carry on; I enjoy watching the clown like antics many use to avoid substantial debate on this issue in an attempt to avoid the reality that this Governments desperate attempts to compile information are an effort to impugn those who would dare disagree and make the false claims that these are right wing “nuts” who have been programmed by Rush Limbaugh should be ignored and promote the lies and distortions about their program which is basically mostly lies and fear mongering.

This Government is uninterested in open honest bi-partisan debate; but rather demagogue those who dare disagree.

As stated by one of these targeted individuals in a town hall debate which all of us need to ask our politicians; are you going to participate in the same Health Care program you want all of us to accept? If the answer is “no”, then there should be ZERO support for this program and the storm trooper tactics of this administration to gather information on those who dare to argue against it.

I’m very surprised that you would take that position, but perhaps this is more to do with your “personal” feelings towards the author rather than any HONEST effort to debate the topic as illustrated by your absurd red herring argument.
 
We're talking Democrats here. What they'll do with this information is send hidden requests to the IRS to audit them, get their names on the TSA's Do Not Fly list, and research them to find other ways to destroy their lives, their businesses, and their careers.

One clear shot....climb the tree and see who sent off the major branches, and inform their employers that their computers are being used in an inappropriate manner the Messiah finds objectionable.

Hyperbolic assumptions. There is nothing showing how those that are on the list will be addressed.

People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?
 
This coming from the very people who claimed that NSA attempts to intercept communications from potential terrorists overseas were an attack on rights to privacy? Interesting, yet Ironic. :2wave:

What exactly is listening to my private conversation that has NOTHING to do with governmental affairs have to do with the White House documenting the politicians that are publicly opposed to the Health care bill?
 
People have freedom to oppose the health care bill. Are you saying Obama doesn't have the right or is in violation of some law by documenting who the opponents of a the bill are?

This is coming from the same people who railed against the NSA program and Patriot Act? What irony! :rofl
 
What exactly is listening to my private conversation that has NOTHING to do with governmental affairs have to do with the White House documenting the politicians that are publicly opposed to the Health care bill?

I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."

:2wave:
 
And there's absolutely nothing proving Obama's "Coming" for American's either. Nothing except emotional hystericals which are more fantasical nonsense and red herrings than a coherent point.

Carry on
:2wave:

Now, you could argue he's infringing upon peoples rights or what people VIEW as their rights.

But if THAT'S your arguments then my post illustrates other similar circumstances where someones percieved rights, be it natural of state-protected, are also potentially being violated and yet he doesn't care.

Thanks, you're exactly correct TD! The OP was using nothing but emotional hysterics which are more fantastical nonsense than coherent points.

Drawing historical parallels with current events in an attempt to show the dangers inherit with inaction or just turning a blind eye is far from hysterical. What is less worthy is to attempt to detract from he spirit or central core of the message with hyperbole.
The central core in this case if examined with less than the glazed over eyes of Obama's disciples is that he leading us down a path not unlike that of the National Socialists of the Hitler era, and to take a small portion of that message and to waste time on it does nothing but bolster his followers and aid in the trip toward a distructive end. Here's another old saying you can try to use to move away fom the facts.
“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it "
 
I guess you missed the OP; this isn't about the White House documenting the politicians, but rather documenting CITIZENS who oppose it to counter their "disinformation."

:2wave:
Are these citizens publicly opposing the health care bill or are they doing it privately?

I have a problem with the White House creating a list of people by tracing private phone calls or the individual in their house. If the citizen is CHOOSING to publicly oppose health care in a public forum then there is no issue here.

Is it your opinion it should be illegal for the White House to offer rebuttals to opinion and commentary provided by citizens on legislation?
 
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