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Ark. crowd mocks lawmakers over Obama health plan

WillRockwell said:
It is you who are in the corner. You are a hypocrite and have not responded to my question. So you agree the report cited is accurate in its entirety?
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Calling me a hypocite is against forum rules.


The bet is what it is, changing it to a wild goose chase about some dumb video hit piece is not the issue.
 
WillRockwell said:
Nobody "moved the goal posts" and I haven't seen a single argument against the facts in the MSNBC report. You are to be commended for running to the support of your Freeper friends, and I see they all thanked you for it, but your mod status doesn't make up for the fact that you are misinformed and ignorant of the truth regarding this "groundswell" of activism.
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So the report wasn't to prove your statement below?

WillRockwell said:
You do realize this entire charade is paid for by billionaire rightwing activists and coordinated through the Republican party.
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Great! Then could you please provide PROOF for your above statement or recant it?
 
Zyphlin said:
So the report wasn't to prove your statement below?



Great! Then could you please provide PROOF for your above statement or recant it?
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If any part of my statement conflicted with the MSNBC report, I defer to their reporting. Now please cite which facts in the report you consider to be untrue.
 
WillRockwell said:
If any part of my statement conflicted with the MSNBC report, I defer to their reporting. Now please cite which facts in the report you consider to be untrue.
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Soon as I get home to watch I will. From this point I've been simply assuming what one of your liberal compatriots in this thread stated was in the report and been going from there. But as I said, my issue was not necessarily with the report....I fully believe that there are PACs behind many of these protests...but with your initial statement that the ENTIRE thing is being financed by rich republicans and being coordinated by the RNC.

However a few things...

1. Glad to know next time someone posts a WND or FreeRepublic story i shoudln't see you complaining about the soruce but instead speaking exactly what it is in the report you believe is untrue.

2. Do you have issues with the exact same kind of things happening when Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, La Raza, and President Obama himself also help to fund and/or organize protests for or against certain action?
 
WillRockwell said:
If you refuse to watch the report and comment on it point by point, then don't pretend to have a knowledgeable opinion. Rachel Maddow does not make stuff up, the report is a solid piece of journalism, which proves the charge I made that the "groundswell" movement is a charade, financed by rightwing billionaires and organized by Republicans. I have proven Hellhound and you to be liars, and ask you now to make good on your promise to donate $100 each to the forum. If you refuse it proves you are both liars and hypocrites.
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Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary said:
Main Entry: fact
Pronunciation: \ˈfakt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin factum, from neuter of factus, past participle of facere
Date: 15th century

1: a thing done: as a obsolete : feat b: crime <accessory after the fact> c archaic : action
2archaic : performance, doing
3: the quality of being actual : actuality <a question of fact hinges on evidence>
4 a: something that has actual existence <space exploration is now a fact> b: an actual occurrence <prove the fact of damage>
5: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
— in fact : in truth
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Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary said:
Main Entry: opin·ion
Pronunciation: \ə-ˈpin-yən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin opinion-, opinio, from opinari
Date: 14th century

1 a: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b: approval, esteem
2 a: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b: a generally held view
3 a: a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b: the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based
— opin·ioned \-yənd\ adjective
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Hope this helps. :mrgreen:
 
WillRockwell said:
But calling me a liar is not? Are these some special rules you worked up with your Freeper Mod friends?
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I never called you a liar, I said your argument was a lie. a misrepresentation a dishonest contribution. I refrain form attacking the person upstairs....


Who are my mod freeper friends? :lol:
 
Zyphlin said:
2. Do you have issues with the exact same kind of things happening when Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, La Raza, and President Obama himself also help to fund and/or organize protests for or against certain action?
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Ive been asking this of several of our left wing friends all day. thus far, silence.
 
WillRockwell said:
You are to be commended for running to the support of your Freeper friends, and I see they all thanked you for it ...
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Which "Freeper friends" are those?
 
does anyone believe that the reverend, laila, jerry, mr v, james, zyphlin, apdst, LaMidRight, harry g, the real con, scarecrow, coronado and myself are all paid shills and gop op's?

how absurdly silly

the groundswell is real, it is accurately reflected and powerfully expressed in the words and sentiments of the good folks named, all of whom are obviously sincere

those folks in little rock and philly and the simsbury supermarket did not arrive in buses

that's laughable

with all due respect, anyone who looks at those videos and sees apparatchiks instead of barbecuers is, in my opinion, as politically tone deaf as the pelosi/obama crew running the white house

y'know, the folks who ATTACK those who can't quite agree with em

the people who ask us to RAT each other OUT

the treas secty who CUSSES OUT the heads of the FED, the SEC, the FDIC

the chicago pol who writes THREATENING LETTERS to the gov of AZ complaining about his senator's sincere sympathies

you can't HEAR sincerity ON THIS THREAD?!!!

pardon me, but---LOLOLOL!

shills for the insurance consessions---sure, we are

why, i'm proudly primping my prudential parka as we parley

LOLOLOL!
 
I'm more surprised someone called us friends. Outside of the cooking thread I dare say me and reverend bicker more than act friendly
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm more surprised someone called us friends. Outside of the cooking thread I dare say me and reverend bicker more than act friendly
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I'll attest to that.:rofl
 
Zyphlin said:
I'm more surprised someone called us friends. Outside of the cooking thread I dare say me and reverend bicker more than act friendly
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I dunno, we've been rather cool latley.....


Wanna wrestle? :mrgreen:
 
apdst said:
What I would like for them do is subsidize 50% of any policy I purchased.
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What that does in increase demand, which in turn drives up prices, hence the need for price caps.
 
The Prof said:
does anyone believe that the reverend, laila, jerry, mr v, james, zyphlin, apdst, LaMidRight, harry g, the real con, scarecrow, coronado and myself are all paid shills and gop op's?
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If everyone is getting paid to do this but me, I'm gonna be pissed.

As for being a Republican, I left that disaster several years ago.
 
Jerry said:
What that does in increase demand, which in turn drives up prices, hence the need for price caps.
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Not exactly, if the risk pool goes up but usage stays somewhat neutral, then people will see a premium decrease, however if the pool and risk meet each other closely there will be little change, the worst case scenario is pool shrinkage and usage increases, that, along with increasing healthcare costs are the reasons for high prices and cost controls that do a disservice to consumers.
 
Zyphlin said:
1. Glad to know next time someone posts a WND or FreeRepublic story i shoudln't see you complaining about the soruce but instead speaking exactly what it is in the report you believe is untrue.
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Not defending Rachel Maddow, but there is no way in hell you can compare WND and FreeRepublic to her. One is a respected journalist that works hard at her job, and is open and honest about being a liberal. The other, well WND just posted an article trying to make the claim that Obama is the anti-christ using some translation .....easily shot down. Freerepublic, are they credible journalists? No, they are not. Not saying that anyone and everyone that gets a job on TV is more special, but I can say that anyone and everyone can easily put up a B.S. "News" site. Most of these sites, like Huffington Post, are not news, but rather portals that link to actual journalistic work done by others filtered through a political ideology. That is where I would draw the line.

Zyphlin said:
2. Do you have issues with the exact same kind of things happening when Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, La Raza, and President Obama himself also help to fund and/or organize protests for or against certain action?
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Again it all comes down to what their actions are, and will people be honest about it. If Tim Kaine, DNC Chair, organizes groups to attend townhall meetings, then he needs to be honest about it. If these groups go merely to stand outside and hold signs, fine by me.

I have already stated this before for the record. These townhalls should be used legitimately for people that want to interact with their representatives. It is THEIR townhall, so I do not support anyone on either side going to one to disrupt. If an opponent of healthcare reform goes to his congress members town hall to voice his opposition, well god damn I will fight for his right of free speech and to be heard. THAT is what this country is about.

But these groups tied to the rightwing PACs and lobbyists fomented a strategy that was dishonest and disruptive. They are trying to STOP discourse and engagement on this topic. This is unethical to say the least.

And if we have the issue come up in the coming months regarding sending more troops to Afghanistan, I will oppose MoveOn.org from disrupting townhall meetings, but not protesting. If they wish to stand out in front with signs, again that is fine by me.
 
Reverend_Hellh0und said:
I never called you a liar, I said your argument was a lie. a misrepresentation a dishonest contribution. I refrain form attacking the person upstairs....


Who are my mod freeper friends? :lol:
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Why do you lie?
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You are lying about not calling me a liar. Have you sent the check yet?
 
Gosh, it ought to be pretty easy to get photos of these bus caravans, no? I sure do want to see them.
 
Coronado said:
If everyone is getting paid to do this but me, I'm gonna be pissed.

As for being a Republican, I left that disaster several years ago.
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I'm still an elephant at the moment, only because I'm hoping my generation of conservatives can right the ship, but if this next election cycle doesn't see some principled, strong conservatives I will be going to the constitution party.
 
Zyphlin said:
Soon as I get home to watch I will. From this point I've been simply assuming what one of your liberal compatriots in this thread stated was in the report and been going from there. But as I said, my issue was not necessarily with the report....I fully believe that there are PACs behind many of these protests...but with your initial statement that the ENTIRE thing is being financed by rich republicans and being coordinated by the RNC.

However a few things...

1. Glad to know next time someone posts a WND or FreeRepublic story i shoudln't see you complaining about the soruce but instead speaking exactly what it is in the report you believe is untrue.

2. Do you have issues with the exact same kind of things happening when Code Pink, MoveOn.Org, La Raza, and President Obama himself also help to fund and/or organize protests for or against certain action?
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I am disappointed you chose to post such a lengthy response to the report when you did not watch the report. You obviously were only interested in backing up the deteriorating position of the rightwing partisans. I am disappointed, because I generally have respect for your opinions, even though I usually disagree with them. Thank you for admitting you did not watch the report, and I look forward to your opinion of it.
 
WillRockwell said:
I am disappointed you chose to post such a lengthy response to the report when you did not watch the report. You obviously were only interested in backing up the deteriorating position of the rightwing partisans. I am disappointed, because I generally have respect for your opinions, even though I usually disagree with them. Thank you for admitting you did not watch the report, and I look forward to your opinion of it.
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It seems you didn't bother to read the thread.

I'm at work. Youtube videos aren't able to be played here. I didn't not watch it becasue I don't want to, but because I can't. That's why I actually, for the sake of the debate, assumed what a liberal poster on this thread stated was stated in the report was true. Its obvious you don't want to engage in debate because I asked legitimate, honest questions and you're shucking and jiving with excuses that have already been explained away. Not to mention the two questions I asked you can be answered clearly without even needing said report, especially when they are both predicated under the notion that the report is correct.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Not exactly, if the risk pool goes up but usage stays somewhat neutral, then people will see a premium decrease, however if the pool and risk meet each other closely there will be little change, the worst case scenario is pool shrinkage and usage increases, that, along with increasing healthcare costs are the reasons for high prices and cost controls that do a disservice to consumers.
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When you make insurance an entitlement you include high risk individuals and thus drive up the costs for everyone.
 
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