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Eight Christians burnt to death in Pakistan after Koran is ‘defiled’

And we'll get there ... eventually.

Every religion has some type of reformation, Islam hasn't had one yet

Well I hope y'all get there soon. Cause some of this is pretty ridiculous. Of course, I don't really understand all the irrationalities of religion or why people cling to it in general. But it's time that humans put their religious violence behind us. We'll find other reasons to fight, we don't need the help of religious zealotry.
 
Well, all the real Muslims need to get it in gear and do something about all those posers making their religion look bad.

Laila is certainly doing her share.

Too bad you aren't listening.
 
What's needed is secular govenrment. How long was Christianity abused at the hands of government? When Europe had its theocracies they were mostly Christian, and at that time the Christian religion acted not so differently than the Muslim religion now. But we figured out that theocracy perverts the religion, takes it over, warps it to make it work for State ideals, power, and land. Christianity, in order to protect Christianity, divorced itself from government and we instead created secular governments. That allowed the religion to be the religion, to grow and expand and to practice as they see fit. Christianity is not used as it once was, we've allowed it to be free. That's the beauty of secular government, it's for the benefit of religion itself. Theocracy will always lead to perversion of the religion.

And here we go with the "look Christians did this to!!!"

That argument is so old and nothing but a fallacy with no bearing.

Now the rest of your argument I agree with. You could have said all that and got your point across without Christianity being thrown in.
 
And here we go with the "look Christians did this to!!!"

That argument is so old and nothing but a fallacy with no bearing.

Now the rest of your argument I agree with. You could have said all that and got your point across without Christianity being thrown in.

No, it was all an illustration of point. If you cared to read and take in what was being said instead of reacting because someone said "Christianity". There was no excuse of current practices by Muslims by the sins of Christianity's past. I was merely saying that Christianity acted similar when it too was caught in a theocratic state and that it solved the problem by removing itself from the government and making a secular government instead. Which is what Islam needs to do as well. Don't start whinnying and crying every time someone brings up Christianity.
 
I think I noted that difference. The best thing for the Muslim people to do would be to remove their religion from their government. It's the best way for them to protect their religion.

I don't disagree with that, but it isn't the government that is rioting over cartoons and crap like that.


And we'll get there ... eventually.

Every religion has some type of reformation, Islam hasn't had one yet

You've had fourteen hundred years. What's the hold up?
 
You've had fourteen hundred years. What's the hold up?

It took Christianity as long, if not longer.

And alot more blood was shed to achieve it
 
Laila is certainly doing her share.

Too bad you aren't listening.

Oh, yeah. What's she doing?

What active interest are we looking at here?
 
I don't disagree with that, but it isn't the government that is rioting over cartoons and crap like that.

True, and if you did similar stuff against the Church in the middle ages, it wouldn't be the State rioting either. It would be the people. Because the State corrupts the religion and indoctrinates the people into that corrupted religion, reinforced through state run services such as education and press. So the people of such a theocracy will be the ones to riot because they've been taught to, and it's reinforced through every branch of government and society. It's a near guarantee that if you divorce the religion and the government, you can make marked improvements including the eventual extinction of rioting over mere cartoons and other extremist actions.
 
It took Christianity as long, if not longer.

And alot more blood was shed to achieve it

But, this is the 21st Century. I mean, c'mon. We're not talking about the 17th Century where reletives 20 miles apart didn't see each other for years at a time.
 
But, this is the 21st Century. I mean, c'mon. We're not talking about the 17th Century where reletives 20 miles apart didn't see each other for years at a time.

Doesn't matter.

Don't expect Islam to speed up the process just because it is the 21st century.
It will take as long as needed to achieve it

Christians got a easy time.
At least they had some form of heirarchy of authority. What do we have??
 
Doesn't matter.

Don't expect Islam to speed up the process just because it is the 21st century.
It will take as long as needed to achieve it

Christians got a easy time.
At least they had some form of heirarchy of authority. What do we have??

I would say though that because we're living in a more enlightened age that the process should speed up a bit. There was a lot of ignorance to overcome back in the day, but humans have grown a lot since then. It's not hard to take a look around and see the changes and advancements. While maybe instantaneous shouldn't be expected, I would expect the process to be expedited a bit more. But you're going to need honest and open information flow to achieve that.
 
But, this is the 21st Century. I mean, c'mon. We're not talking about the 17th Century where reletives 20 miles apart didn't see each other for years at a time.

Yeah, and I would consider the fact that a majority of Muslims live in a particularly poor and uncivilized part of the world compared to Christians.
 
Yeah, and I would consider the fact that a majority of Muslims live in a particularly poor and uncivilized part of the world compared to Christians.

The best way for tyrants to remain in charge is to keep their population poor and stupid.
 
The best way for tyrants to remain in charge is to keep their population poor and stupid.

Exactly. That's why I applaud Iraq for sending 10,000 students to the US. It's definitely a step in the right direction.
 
Yeah, and I would consider the fact that a majority of Muslims live in a particularly poor and uncivilized part of the world compared to Christians.

Doesn't help when money flows into the dictators as well

Saudi Arabia is at the centre of exporting its bull**** type of Islam. Remove it, you remove half the problems
I have a Qu'ran from there and where it says in some verses 'slay the infidel' for example. It has in brackets "Christians and Jews" added into it :doh
 
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Doesn't help when money flows into the dictators as well

Saudi Arabia is at the centre of exporting its bull**** type of Islam. Remove it, you remove half the problems
I have a Qu'ran from there and where it says in some verses 'slay the infidel' for example. It has in brackets "Christians and Jews" added into it :doh

Stuff like that makes me wonder exactly how much of the Holy Bible has been altered for similar purposes.
 
Hm...

I'd like to point out that genocide is the eradication of a racial, ethnic or cultural group.

"Radical Islam", that is Islamists who believe in conducting violent Jihad against all infidels, attacking civilians and innocents, etc, are not exactly a racial or ethnic group, and as a culture they are viewed as an aberration by moderate Muslims such as Laila.

Calling for their eradication is not really genocide; it is calling for the extermination of those who engage in such terrorist actions, something I wholeheartedly support.

"Genocide" would be calling for the extermination of all Arabs, or all Muslims, which the OP did not do.

G.
 
An outlawed Islamic group going nuts at something like this. Hardly shocking. I hope they all get what is coming to them.

Yeah right except it happens all over the Dar al Islam, wherever Christians are unfortunate enough to be stuck in the Dar al Islam. I mean it happens in Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, East Timor, Malaysia, Sudan, Iraq, Egypt, Lebanon, Nigeria, Turkey, etc., etc., etc. ad nauseum. You’re right it’s only a minor problem involving a few so-called Muslim extremists who happen to misunderstand the so-called Religion of Peace™.

Meanwhile, everywhere the Dar al Islam borders the non-Islamic world there is jihad. Not all out jihad, but jihad nonetheless that heats up and then simmers down again before heating up again. However, the only jihad you ever hear about happens to be the Dar al Islam’s jihad against Israel. Indeed, as for as the leftist hijacked press is concerned, the others don’t count. Of course, the others don’t involve Jewish kafirs either.

In any event, given the impending demographic collapse and the current explosion in the populations of Muslims who refuse to assimilate throughout Western Europe, the future for non-Muslim kafirs living in Europe doesn’t look too pleasant to me for the Euroloons. Especially when we see the way the Christian kafirs today are treated throughout the Dar al Islam.

By the way, another nice attempt at apologizing for Muslims again! Way to go.
 
Stuff like that makes me wonder exactly how much of the Holy Bible has been altered for similar purposes.

Probably the same.

In brackets, most likely altered.
They cannot change the physical text, so they add to it in English.

They are technically breaking no rules seeing it is not in Arabic. Very clever of them
 
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"Radical Islam", that is Islamists who believe in conducting violent Jihad against all infidels, attacking civilians and innocents, etc, are not exactly a racial or ethnic group, and as a culture they are viewed as an aberration by moderate Muslims such as Laila

Better them eradicated than me tyvm.

As if they'd waste anytime or hesitate to kill people like me if they had the chance.
 
Better them eradicated than me tyvm.

As if they'd waste anytime or hesitate to kill people like me if they had the chance.

Excellent point. People who engage in these types of actions are no friend to anyone in the "mainstream."
 
Excellent point. People who engage in these types of actions are no friend to anyone in the "mainstream."

Well ofc not otherwise they wouldn't be either a fringe or a minority group now would they? :mrgreen:
 
I suppose they also do not see the irony, Christians calling for the genocide...as if this is not something evil at all.

Hmm…oh the irony. A Christian calling for genocide would be well un-Christian since Christians are taught to Love thy neighbor as thyself.

I do notice sadly that any thread around hear that deals with anything remotely associated with Islam, Middle East, Terrorism, etc.. always boils down to jingoist bile.

What’s so jingoist about acknowledging the ongoing harsh and very degrading treatment of Christian kafirs not only just in Pakistan, but also throughout the Dar al Islam and everywhere Christian kafirs reside over there? Especially when today Muslims are migrating to the West in mass and at the same time we are being sold a bill of goods that Islam is a Religion of Peace™ that is perfectly compatible with modern pluralistic societies.

Meanwhile, we not only periodically have become the victims of Islamic terrorist attacks ourselves everywhere in the West the Muslims have migrated, but in the case of the USA it has caused us to already double the size of our federal government and federal spending just to attempt to protect the homeland from the excess baggage that Muslim immigration brings along with it, and never mind the fact also that everywhere Muslims have migrated to they have conspicuously and stubbornly refused to assimilate. Thus, eventually as their populations increase in size relative to the kafir populations where they migrate, they morph into a gigantic pain in the ass and unmitigated disaster for the host countries.

In any event, out of curiosity, can you name just one Islamic country anywhere in the world where Christian kafirs are treated on an equal footing with the Muslims?

I hope they have a lot to contribute to our societies since they bring a lot of excess baggage along with them! I mean I don’t remember headlines of Muslims being rounded up 10 or 15 years ago in America for planning jihad terrorist attacks. Now today we see it on a pretty regular and routine basis. We also see and read about them screaming and hollering discrimination all the time at the same time that they try to force kafirs to accommodate their laws and customs.

Finally, what about all these Muslim Brotherhood affiliated Muslim civil rights groups like CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, MAS, MSA, etc., etc., etc., when all we have is approximately 2.5 million Muslims living in America? I mean the Muslims sure make a hell of a lot of noise for the size of their population. Imagine how loud that noise is going to become when we have 20 million Muslim living in America.
 
No they are not Muslims imo.

I assure you, i do not make it a sport to run around torching Christians

I assure you, i do not make it a sport to run around torching Christians. :liar
 
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