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Barack Obama faces 30 death threats a day, stretching US Secret Service

That's like blaming the bullets for all the gun deaths. Who did the lunatic listen to on the radio while he was cleaning his guns. Where did he get the idea that killing Tiller would be a good thing. How about placing blame on those that pushed this guys buttons, that would be the responsible thing to do.
A) How do you know what he heard and what gave him the idea, and B) just how far back up the chain should we go? You know, if it wasn't for his parents bearing and raising him, none of this would have happened, so I guess we ought to blame them too, right?

Reminds me of a Monty Python sketch where a defendant blames society and the prosecutor says he'll be charging them, too. :roll:
 
That's like blaming the bullets for all the gun deaths. Who did the lunatic listen to on the radio while he was cleaning his guns. Where did he get the idea that killing Tiller would be a good thing. How about placing blame on those that pushed this guys buttons, that would be the responsible thing to do.

Now you are claiming you know who Tiller was listening to on the radio?

Hang on, I am getting my HIP waders for this debate; it's getting real deep in here. :rofl
 
I'd say that the number of racial hate groups (KKK, skinheads, etc.) in this country would probably be evidence enough for that.
I dunno P, the KKK is not anywhere near the levels of power it had in the late 1800's to mid 1900's, they are still around, but have overall been neutered since the civil rights movement, I know some of the guys, all they really do now is bitch and whine about how the black man is holding them down:)roll:) most of them are idiots to begin with, so that may have more to do with it moreso than someone else getting preferential treatment. Skinheads are mostly annoyances, they are sneaky when it comes to what they do, but they aren't terribly well organized. With Barack Obama, even in the very deep south I don't hear anything about the color of his skin being the problem, it is about his condecending attitude, arrogance, ideology, and overall governance, this administration brings an absolute ire to many americans that the Clinton administration couldn't, hell, we even laughed at Jimmy Carter more than anything because it was pathetic, but this particular administration because of many factors just pisses many people off, which I personally believe is more the culprit than racism.
 
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Let's see black man, that's gonna raise the ire of some morons.

He's a radical who is pushing for big government in ways not seen since FDR...

H'es appologizing for America at everyturn...

He's really not a very nice guy.

Add all that up and you get... death threats.

According to your logic then, both Reagan and Bush 44 should have more death threats. But I suppose it would be too much to ask for you to actually get some facts, just for once. You know, actually go to the Treasurydirect.gov website, look up the history of our rise in national debt. Or I suppose you could also just ignore looking at Clinton's budget's, really good to look at the surpluses, especially the one he handed Bush 44. Never mind that the economy Bush 44 handed over was a bleeping you know what.

FYI, you know you conservatives should also either educate yourselves more or be honest in calculating the estimated total cost for the Iraq war will essentially double Bush 44's contribution to the national debt. With that my god it would take Clinton 60 years to match President George W.Bush
 
According to your logic then, both Reagan and Bush 44 should have more death threats. But I suppose it would be too much to ask for you to actually get some facts, just for once. You know, actually go to the Treasurydirect.gov website, look up the history of our rise in national debt. Or I suppose you could also just ignore looking at Clinton's budget's, really good to look at the surpluses, especially the one he handed Bush 44. Never mind that the economy Bush 44 handed over was a bleeping you know what.

FYI, you know you conservatives should also either educate yourselves more or be honest in calculating the estimated total cost for the Iraq war will essentially double Bush 44's contribution to the national debt. With that my god it would take Clinton 60 years to match President George W.Bush
Seriously, you asking for facts? Pot meet kettle much. What else, you tell people to get educated while you attack president Reagan and Bush 44. Okay, where are your FACTS that most of the death threats are race related, and what is the criteria? Did it come from racialist groups, or were there epithets used? C'mon, bring it, all you are doing is singing it right now.
 
According to your logic then, both Reagan and Bush 44 should have more death threats. But I suppose it would be too much to ask for you to actually get some facts, just for once. You know, actually go to the Treasurydirect.gov website, look up the history of our rise in national debt. Or I suppose you could also just ignore looking at Clinton's budget's, really good to look at the surpluses, especially the one he handed Bush 44. Never mind that the economy Bush 44 handed over was a bleeping you know what.

FYI, you know you conservatives should also either educate yourselves more or be honest in calculating the estimated total cost for the Iraq war will essentially double Bush 44's contribution to the national debt. With that my god it would take Clinton 60 years to match President George W.Bush

The above highlights the definition of profound irony; a Liberal making farcical claims to defend his politicians failures claiming that it is Conservatives who need education; truly laughable and ironic. :rofl
 
I don't know where you learned how to debate, but that's not how it works. You aren't going to win any arguments by making crap up. That's not at all what I said. If your reading comprehension is the issue then just re-read what I posted until you understand. Okay, brah? :doh

This is exactly what you said:
Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick
Oh come on. That's not even a remotely honest way to frame that argument. You are assuming both men are on equal playing ground. However, we've had nothing but white Presidents since this country was founded. Obama is the first black one. Of course it's quite likely that a lot of racial hate groups are going to make death threats.

You leave zero wiggle room for the increase in death threats from Bush's admin to PBO's to be attributable to anything other than racism.

If you're deabting skills and you ability to understand your own comments, then perhaps you should pay some extra education. It's nothing to embaressed about, we all need a helping hand sometimes.
 
Just throwing some meat into the middle of the argument:

Jim Adkisson - Shooting that killed 2 people - Targeted Liberals - Follower of Bernie Goldberg.....

This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate & House, the 100 people in Bernard Goldberg's book. I'd like to kill everyone in the mainstream media. But I know those people were inaccessible to me. I couldn't get to the generals & high ranking officers of the Marxist movement so I went after the foot soldiers, the chicken**** liberals that vote in these traitorous people. Someone had to get the ball rolling. I volunteered. I hope others do the same. It's the only way we can rid America of this cancerous pestilence."

If not that, how about this:

Nancy Genovese - FEMA - Glenn Beck - Myspace - Nut- berzerk

My whole point is this. People who are nuts just look for reasons, or excuses. But that by no means should leave people free in terms of their journalistic responsibility, or professional ethics. They can disagree with politics until they are blue in the face, but deliberate fear mongering and whipping up hatred has never had a positive effect. Don't believe me, please go ask John McCain how he felt after seeing the rising anger, and more specifically his response at calming the emotion (KUDOS to McCain :clap:)

There is a level of responsibility people do have when reaching prominent positions. One role they have is to not fan the flames of hatred and violence.
 
My whole point is this. People who are nuts just look for reasons, or excuses. But that by no means should leave people free in terms of their journalistic responsibility, or professional ethics. They can disagree with politics until they are blue in the face, but deliberate fear mongering and whipping up hatred has never had a positive effect. Don't believe me, please go ask John McCain how he felt after seeing the rising anger, and more specifically his response at calming the emotion (KUDOS to McCain :clap:)

There is a level of responsibility people do have when reaching prominent positions. One role they have is to not fan the flames of hatred and violence.
I would suggest you learn a little something about journalism, it's branches, and what ethics apply to each branch before making any further claims. I already know what you are claiming here is false, and that there won't be any legal penalties because they don't apply.
 
That's like blaming the bullets for all the gun deaths. Who did the lunatic listen to on the radio while he was cleaning his guns. Where did he get the idea that killing Tiller would be a good thing. How about placing blame on those that pushed this guys buttons, that would be the responsible thing to do.




Prove your speculation he listened to talk radio while cleaning his guns, or is this another made up lie on your part.

Also prove that talk radio suggested that anyone be killed. lie #2
 
According to your logic then, both Reagan and Bush 44 should have more death threats. But I suppose it would be too much to ask for you to actually get some facts, just for once. You know, actually go to the Treasurydirect.gov website, look up the history of our rise in national debt. Or I suppose you could also just ignore looking at Clinton's budget's, really good to look at the surpluses, especially the one he handed Bush 44. Never mind that the economy Bush 44 handed over was a bleeping you know what.

FYI, you know you conservatives should also either educate yourselves more or be honest in calculating the estimated total cost for the Iraq war will essentially double Bush 44's contribution to the national debt. With that my god it would take Clinton 60 years to match President George W.Bush



uhm Reagan was shot. FAIL
 
I dunno P, the KKK is not anywhere near the levels of power it had in the late 1800's to mid 1900's, they are still around, but have overall been neutered since the civil rights movement, I know some of the guys, all they really do now is bitch and whine about how the black man is holding them down:)roll:) most of them are idiots to begin with, so that may have more to do with it moreso than someone else getting preferential treatment. Skinheads are mostly annoyances, they are sneaky when it comes to what they do, but they aren't terribly well organized. With Barack Obama, even in the very deep south I don't hear anything about the color of his skin being the problem, it is about his condecending attitude, arrogance, ideology, and overall governance, this administration brings an absolute ire to many americans that the Clinton administration couldn't, hell, we even laughed at Jimmy Carter more than anything because it was pathetic, but this particular administration because of many factors just pisses many people off, which I personally believe is more the culprit than racism.

You nailed it perfectly. No one cares about his color (which isnt black, it
is "just not white") but a lot of people care about his Marxist agenda.
 
What puzzles me is why anyone would be stupid enough to make a threat?
Everyone knows everything is monitored....and I mean everything!
 
Originally Posted by sam_w
According to your logic then, both Reagan and Bush 44 should have more death threats. But I suppose it would be too much to ask for you to actually get some facts, just for once. You know, actually go to the Treasurydirect.gov website, look up the history of our rise in national debt. Or I suppose you could also just ignore looking at Clinton's budget's, really good to look at the surpluses, especially the one he handed Bush 44. Never mind that the economy Bush 44 handed over was a bleeping you know what.

FYI, you know you conservatives should also either educate yourselves more or be honest in calculating the estimated total cost for the Iraq war will essentially double Bush 44's contribution to the national debt. With that my god it would take Clinton 60 years to match President George W.Bush

Reverend_Hellh0und;1058175868]uhm Reagan was shot. FAIL

And, there was an active attempt on Bush sr. Massive fail.
 
Actually no, it's like blaming the guy holding the gun for gun deaths. Tons of people listened to the broadcast and they didn't go out and kill Tiller. A complete lunatic did, which tells me that it has far less to do with the broadcast and more to do with the lunatic. Why not assign the blame where it belongs?

So if the guy knew nothing about Tiller, then Tiller would still be dead? If Tiller beliefs weren't constantly reinforced by hate groups, maybe he wouldn't have seen the murder of a doctor IN CHURCH as a negative thing. However, when he is led to believe that what he did was justified... (via Wikipedia)

David Leach, publisher of Prayer & Action News, a magazine that opines that the killing of abortion providers would be justifiable homicide, told reporters that he and Roeder had met once in the late 1990s and that Roeder at that time had authored contributions to Leach's publication.[27][28][29] Leach published the Army of God manual, which advocates the killing of the providers of abortion and contains bomb-making instructions, in the January 1996 issue of his magazine.[30] A Kansas acquaintance of Roeder's, Regina Dinwiddie, told a reporter after Tiller's murder (speaking of Roeder), "I know that he believed in justifiable homicide."

Then perhaps it is the fault of religious nutjobs that tell a mentally unstable person that killing a man is okay. Normal people, for the most part, don't kill people- true. However, normal people also don't have schizophrenia. The guy who killed Tiller knew what he was doing. He planned it out. Is he guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity? That part isn't really known, but it's clear that without those ideas in his head, he would never have "randomly" picked Tiller.
 
So let's just cut to the chase -- what do you who propose Tiller's assassin was driven by right-wing media think should be done to those individuals? Civil suit? If so, under what theory? Criminal prosecution? Again, under what statute? Legislation?
 
What puzzles me is why anyone would be stupid enough to make a threat?
Everyone knows everything is monitored....and I mean everything!

I think that some, if not alot of these incidents may not be actual threats. Back in Februaury, or March, as man from Joyce, Louisiana went to the White House to show PBO an invention. When he got to the gate, he told the gaurd that he, "had a delivery for the president". During the conversation, he admitted to having a .22 rifle in his pickup. Well, when you consider that the guy is a black man, who is the deacon in a black church and was only there to show PBO what he had invented, drove right up to the front gate and just happened to have a .22 rifle behind the seat of his truck, it's obviously not an assissination attempt. Did they need to treat as such at that moment? Of course they did. However, I remember when the story came out, it only said that a man with a gun showed up at the white house to see PBO. So, it makes me wonder how many threats are actual threats. I mean, is calling the White House switchboard and telling the operator that PBO is an asshole considered a threat? I'm sure that's happening alot nowadays.
 
And, there was an active attempt on Bush sr. Massive fail.

Only FAIL here is you and Reverend_Hellh0und who do not seem to be able to comprehend what is written. Oh wait, you really did not care about actually reading now what I wrote. Because I was talking about...what now?
..should have more death threats..

Yes I know honestly can be difficult, maybe reading comprehension as well. I don't know which is the cause, either way..I think this goes down as an..

EPIC FAIL for both you bastions of ***honesty. Can you guys just try and attempt to be a little more honest please? It would make discussion much more fulling. I can accept mistakes, but this was not a mistake by both of you. This was a deliberate attempt to completely re-compose what I wrote. If you can not respond honestly, then just don't respond maybe?
 
Seriously, you asking for facts? Pot meet kettle much. What else, you tell people to get educated while you attack president Reagan and Bush 44. Okay, where are your FACTS that most of the death threats are race related, and what is the criteria? Did it come from racialist groups, or were there epithets used? C'mon, bring it, all you are doing is singing it right now.

BING BING BING...another shining example of pure conservaitve dishonesty. Ok, tell you what. Re-read, then maybe you would understand exactly what the bleep I was referring to. Yes get the FACTS please, like maybe start with what exactly I am responding to (hint ...hint I was not arguing any issues with race in this point)....good lord.
 
The above highlights the definition of profound irony; a Liberal making farcical claims to defend his politicians failures claiming that it is Conservatives who need education; truly laughable and ironic. :rofl

Oooohh a Troika! So, you are clueless as to how much the national debt rose under George W. Bush. You are also clueless as to the total estimated cost of the Iraq war. Yes, you do need a bloody education, and a dose of honesty.
 
Only FAIL here is you and Reverend_Hellh0und who do not seem to be able to comprehend what is written. Oh wait, you really did not care about actually reading now what I wrote. Because I was talking about...what now?


Yes I know honestly can be difficult, maybe reading comprehension as well. I don't know which is the cause, either way..I think this goes down as an..

EPIC FAIL for both you bastions of ***honesty. Can you guys just try and attempt to be a little more honest please? It would make discussion much more fulling. I can accept mistakes, but this was not a mistake by both of you. This was a deliberate attempt to completely re-compose what I wrote. If you can not respond honestly, then just don't respond maybe?

How are we supposed to know, if you don't know?
 
How are we supposed to know, if you don't know?

Oh lame...really lame. Well thanks for the pathetic attempt at admitting you made a pathetic attempt at recomposing my post.
 
I dunno P, the KKK is not anywhere near the levels of power it had in the late 1800's to mid 1900's, they are still around, but have overall been neutered since the civil rights movement, I know some of the guys, all they really do now is bitch and whine about how the black man is holding them down:)roll:) most of them are idiots to begin with, so that may have more to do with it moreso than someone else getting preferential treatment. Skinheads are mostly annoyances, they are sneaky when it comes to what they do, but they aren't terribly well organized. With Barack Obama, even in the very deep south I don't hear anything about the color of his skin being the problem, it is about his condecending attitude, arrogance, ideology, and overall governance, this administration brings an absolute ire to many americans that the Clinton administration couldn't, hell, we even laughed at Jimmy Carter more than anything because it was pathetic, but this particular administration because of many factors just pisses many people off, which I personally believe is more the culprit than racism.

I know that there aren't huge numbers of these groups around anymore. I'm just saying that it's not that much of a stretch to say that some of the increase is due to these groups.
 
This is exactly what you said:


You leave zero wiggle room for the increase in death threats from Bush's admin to PBO's to be attributable to anything other than racism.

If you're deabting skills and you ability to understand your own comments, then perhaps you should pay some extra education. It's nothing to embaressed about, we all need a helping hand sometimes.

Nothing in my statement even implied the comment that you made:

If PBO weren't black there wouldn't be any death threats? Now, that is ignorant.

Where in my statement did I say anything like that?
 
There's no doubt that a part of the increase is because of racism. However, the increase isn't only because of racism, as some on this thread would suggest.
 
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