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SIN BINS FOR WORST FAMILIES (aka the end of liberty in Britain)

gunner said:
Edited to add, As i,m extremely passionate about this subject i feel it only fair i bring your attention to the two families of which were evicted. Family A- no father figure around [initially] 3 children, mother does not work. Mother a known drug user as are 2 of the children aged 13/15 as yet its not sure if the 8 yr old has started. Before they were evicted mother became pregnant by a 21 yr old-surprise, surprise Drug user!!

Family B- Mother and Father present- neither work- 5 children. Mother and Father known drug users, before they left Mother went on a ' five week drug rehabilitation program' as yet the oldest child is nine, not sure if they are drug-users.
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Are any of those things crimes?

If so, convict them and put them in prison.

If not, this is just totalitarian stuff. Like I said, you might as well round them up into camps.
 
Harshaw said:
Are any of those things crimes?

If so, convict them and put them in prison.

If not, this is just totalitarian stuff. Like I said, you might as well round them up into camps.
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You guys do want freedom, you want anarchy, where parents can have their children hooked on drugs and infringe upon the rights of others, while we dare not infringe upon theirs.
 
Harshaw said:
Are any of those things crimes?

If so, convict them and put them in prison.

If not, this is just totalitarian stuff. Like I said, you might as well round them up into camps.
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Dealing drugs a crime....check the law if your a minor you cant be prosecuted.

Conning your way into old peoples homes saying "i,m being chased by a stranger" crying whilst telling the story, then when the old lady went out of the room to phone the police he had gone with valuable possessions and her hand-bag. A crime....

and so on, and so on.....

If they could be locked up, it would be great. But we have too many, like yourself, liberal do gooders who do there up-most to keep the family unit together.

Are they crimes!!

Paul
 
1069 said:
Placing cameras in their homes will not end generational poverty. How can it? :confused:
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Pretty simple, really. The worst families are probably all a bunch of stinking criminals. Within a week they'll have disabled the camera and sold it at the nearest pawn shop. Of course, the government will come install another camera, which will then then be promptly disabled and hocked like the last one.

This process will continue until only the taxpayers are poor.
 
Oftencold said:
In other words, "we will add you biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile."
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Yes, by all means, we should allow the children of criminals to continue their undisrupted development into our next generation of criminals. After all, what will we do with all those prisons and the correctional industry if we DON'T produce more criminals to fill them in the future?

Let's just be blunt here, shall we? The criminal percentage of the population is around 3% in the U.S. We know, from ten gazillion research studies on risk factors and child development, the conditions that predispose children to become offenders. We know it's a small number of young people in this category, and their families are a huge predictor of their future involvement in crime. Many of these families are, in essence, presently being paid by the government to produce our next generation of felons. Have any of you do-gooders spent even a day in your local project housing tract, working with these kids and their welfare-addicted parent(s)?

Mama gotta have her nails, mama gotta have her satellite t.v. dish, mama gotta have her crank, but junior, he can live on McDonald's burgers and fries, if he gets any food at all.

And in your views, we should do nothing to disrupt this process, even though it is happening before our very eyes.

After all, families have a right to raise their children to be felons, if they want to. The constitution guarantees it...life, liberty, pursuit of criminality.
 
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I don't see a problem with this. This country has a slight problem with parents raising their children to become undeducated depressives with anxiety issues because they didn't bother to send them to school or feed them properly. I know a fair few people who had parents like this and they're all unemployed, ambitionless and on a variety of meds. If the state can implement some stability in the lives of these children then I'm all for it.
 
Richard Nixon said:
I don't see a problem with this. This country has a slight problem with parents raising their children to become undeducated depressives with anxiety issues because they didn't bother to send them to school or feed them properly. I know a fair few people who had parents like this and they're all unemployed, ambitionless and on a variety of meds. If the state can implement some stability in the lives of these children then I'm all for it.
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I will have you know that I am underemployed and that I have many vague and mostly unrealistic ambitions, thank you very much.
 
So do I. But at least we have ambitions.
 
Do nothing at all? No. We should take their children, put them up for adoption and require the miscreants to go on mandatory birth control to stay out of jail, or receive public assistance.

I have zero interest in keeping criminal or highly dysfunctional families intact.
 
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gunner said:
So, i suggest this would be an important tool in combating these kinds of family. It runs in conjunction with 'the family intervention project' and believe me when i say you have got to be the most disruptive, despicable and dysfunctional to be put on such a project. These kind of families deserve NO LIBERTY when they take away the liberty, of the law abiding older and vulnerable members of the community.
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Just who the hell do you think you are to be able to levy liberty upon people or not? You're not god, you don't get the say. Everyone in this country gets liberty, everyone in this country should be protected and have their rights upheld to the maximum. If they commit a crime, then fine; due process of law. But till that point, your not the god of this world and your definition of who "deserves" liberty doesn't matter.
 
tlmorg02 said:
You guys do want freedom,
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You're right, I do want freedom. An equal system. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. If you can get a conviction in the court of law; then you can enact government force against the rights and liberties of the individual. Until that point, you're talking tyrannical bull****. You don't want freedom, you want a controlled society where people you like are not hassled and hindered; but people you don't like are. We did that before. We fought a war over it. Grow up.
 
Oftencold said:
Do nothing at all? No. We should take their children, put them up for adoption and require the miscreants to go on mandatory birth control to stay out of jail, or receive public assistance.

I have zero interest in keeping criminal or highly dysfunctional families intact.
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Or take the inevitably easier option and put them into social services, where they'll statisically vanish into a system that creates criminals, drug addicts and thugs. God bless loveless, state-sponsored mashed together families. Adoption is a damn difficult thing to partake in.
 
Ikari said:
Just who the hell do you think you are to be able to levy liberty upon people or not? You're not god, you don't get the say. Everyone in this country gets liberty, everyone in this country should be protected and have their rights upheld to the maximum. If they commit a crime, then fine; due process of law. But till that point, your not the god of this world and your definition of who "deserves" liberty doesn't matter.
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Nearly all families put on these programs are serial offenders. Most people get numerous warnings before they're punished to the full extent of the law. They do over here, anyway.

I also noticed you question his ability to decide who has liberty and who doesn't yet you do the exact same thing in your post.
 
Richard Nixon said:
I also noticed you question his ability to decide who has liberty and who doesn't yet you do the exact same thing in your post.
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Well then your abilities at perception aren't well honed this morning. For I didn't put qualifiers for liberty, I said everyone should have it. He wants to actively deny it to a group of people he doesn't like because they do things he doesn't like. If there's a law broken, rights infringed on, then take it to court. If you haven't done any of that, there is nothing you can justly do to infringe upon the rights of that individual.
 
Cool, Britain is becoming like one of those extremely socialists governments in the science fiction movies that monitor every move you're doing in life.
That's awesome as long as it stays in Britain. ;)
 
Laila said:
Please! We'll export it to you eventually, you watch! :O
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Nah, let it stay there.
A few months from now, some dudes in da internetz would crack the security systems up and allow free connection to the cameras from the web.
Big Brother UK all year long. :2razz:
 
Laila said:
Please! We'll export it to you eventually, you watch! :O
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Naw you imported it form the yanks.. FBI.. Hoover... cough.. Nixon.. cough.. and others :) Lets not forget the Patriot act and warrentless wire taps :mrgreen:
 
Big Brother UK. Coming soon in the high definition

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PeteEU said:
Naw you imported it form the yanks.. FBI.. Hoover... cough.. Nixon.. cough.. and others :) Lets not forget the Patriot act and warrentless wire taps :mrgreen:
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Yeah, and we're going to give it to the rest of you.

Not that some European countries are that far behind, ID cards and the works.
 
Apocalypse said:
Big Brother UK all year long. :2razz:
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They already have Big Brother all year long in the UK.. its on TV ... and gets more nuttier year after year.

On top of that they have (and invented.. /rude Simon ), all those pop Idol shows and their wannabe versions, dancing on ice, water and fire and what not.. only bloody thing on UK TV these days it seems!
 
PeteEU said:
only bloody thing on UK TV these days it seems!
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You must only watch the trash channels then.

BBC has some excellent documentaries. Panorama, Attenborough, QI. New series of top gear (freaking brilliant so far), torchwood, dr who ... dispatches ... i can go on :2wave:
 
Ikari said:
Well then your abilities at perception aren't well honed this morning. For I didn't put qualifiers for liberty, I said everyone should have it. He wants to actively deny it to a group of people he doesn't like because they do things he doesn't like. If there's a law broken, rights infringed on, then take it to court. If you haven't done any of that, there is nothing you can justly do to infringe upon the rights of that individual.
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'Just who the hell do you think you are to be able to levy liberty upon people or not?'

And then you go onto decide that there is no levy on liberty - that everyone should get it - effectively creating the double-standard. What makes you so qualified to say EVERYONE deserves unhindered liberty but him not qualified enough to say liberty needs regulation as pertains to dysfunctional families?

I agree with the due process of law. But you must understand that the people who are partaking in this to the extremities mentioned are people who are either actively not raising their children to a sufficient standard or are already using state legisation and assistance to their advantage.
 
Laila said:
Yeah, and we're going to give it to the rest of you.

Not that some European countries are that far behind, ID cards and the works.
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Well depends on what you mean by "ID cards".

There are many forms in all countries. In Denmark for example, we get a number when born, that follows us all our lives. This number is an integral part of the social system, from everything from banking to taxes to healthcare to school and yes to identifying yourself in government institutions. It also makes for far far less paperwork and easier for people to live their lives instead of banging heads with government bureaucrats. Does it take away our "freedoms" and all that.. not really, if anything it gives us more freedom to do what we want and making that easier to do.

There are of course limits to this system.. for example it is illegal to have a centralized system where some one can access all your personal information. Hence things like medical is very separate from taxes, and so on. Although certain parties on the right want to integrate the system more so to catch criminals and deadbeats.. not exactly in favour of that to be honest, but then again we are talking about the far right who's primary goal is to screw over non whites and Muslims so their motives are highly questionable.

It has worked fine for over 50 years now, plus as an added bonus.. anyone with no number.. cant get jack **** off the state :) and many things in society.. bank account.. forget it.. rent or buy a car.. forget it. House.. dream on.
 
Laila said:
You must only watch the trash channels then.

BBC has some excellent documentaries. Panorama, Attenborough, QI. New series of top gear (freaking brilliant so far), torchwood, dr who ... dispatches ... i can go on :2wave:
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Yea I know.. Top Gear ftw. However was thinking more about ITV, Channel 4 and 5 :) Although does the BBC not have one of the dancing ones?
 
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