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US says Russia could join NATO

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Apocalypse said:
Correct, but it's not like the USSR has removed its ideology from its member-states once it fell.
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I wouldn't even understand what you are saying. What USSR? The one which is long gone? Some of its member-states are members of NATO. Indeed they - the members and the memebrs of NATO to be - are infected with the Soviet ideology, but it does mean that all other states are as sick. It varies greatly from a state to state.
 
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I don't understand why Russia joining NATO would be a bad thing. Increased man power, making an ally out of an enemy and the ceasation of hositilities? It's better than having them as enemy.

Of course this won't happen. Russia are opposed to Georgia and Ukraine joining NATO never mind themselves.
 
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Richard Nixon said:
I don't understand why Russia joining NATO would be a bad thing. Increased man power, making an ally out of an enemy and the ceasation of hositilities? It's better than having them as enemy.

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You would understand many, many things, if you ever tried to read a tread before jumping into it.







Just a friendly advise.
 
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justone said:
You would understand many, many things, if you ever tried to read a tread before jumping into it.







Just a friendly advise.
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I'm responding to the initial post. But oh my, you're so abrasive! OOO!
 
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justone said:
Have you ever tried to get a grip on such a simple thing as a debate, a conversation? No. Have ever any of your friends here made an attempt? No. So what is unusual if hundreds of dedicated professionals missed the collapse of the USSR, the fall of the criminal mafia supported by them in Kremlin, rise of Putin and his stunning success and many other things happening in the Russia?

You have not replied to the facts given in my premises but you quote only the conclusion, which is already a logical fallacy, and you attack the conclusion with the common for all Obama worshipers fallacy of bowing to authorities. A few days ago I saw one of your friends telling me that my mathematics was wrong because it was not authorized by IPCC. What could I say in reply to such a set of mind?
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When you begin and end your reply ranting about "morons" you have removed yourself from any intelligent debate.

You are incorrect that "all Obama worshipers bow to authorities". That doesn't even make sense, yet you base your "argument" on it. You also quote one of my "friends" saying something. Make no mistake, I do not seek friends here, and have been as harsh to liberals as to ditto-heads.
If you truly want to debate, then confine your language to facts and hypothisis, your insults are not productive and not welcome.

While remnants of the Soviet Union still rule Russia, the nation is different, and certainly does not harbor the imperial dreams it did when the world was in fear of Communism. Is Russia any more corrupt than Turkey, Romania, or many other nations which are being welcomed into NATO? I doubt it. Does it matter? The idea of NATO is to band together against aggression. If Russia can get its act together enough to refrain from military adventurism against other Western nations, then its entry into NATO would greatly strengthen that organization.
 
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WillRockwell said:
That's just not true. We were allies in WW2, and Russia sold Alaska to the US for 100 pounds of seal meat (something like that). In fact, Russia and the US have NEVER been enemies. The cold war was a conflict between the US and USSR (Correct me if I'm wrong)
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Ally or "fighting the same enemy"? The US and USSR where staunch enemies, and i agree with you however that Russia and the US have never been enemies yet they are not friends, infact things have been pretty sour before and after the break up of the union, the interests of Russia can be percieved as expansionist and counter to the western ideology.

EDIT: I dont hate or fear Russia. Whats a couple of nukes guna do when they have an out of date army and a crappy economy to back that up with?

Can you provide any references or links except for BBC? You fear and hatred towards Russia is not a proof of Russian fear and hatred towards the US.
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My bad, i was referring to the USSR. But i still think there is competition between the two; who can gobble up the eastern countries under there influence faster than each other (NATO and Russia). Bear in mind the US is a major player in NATO and Russia views it as such.

That also used to be the main feature of Americans, - not to bow to anybody. Even if now we see the mass bowing to Obama, such a spirit has not been destroyed completely in the US. Being proud of it I see no reason not to respect the same in Russians.
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Russia joining NATO, to them, is like giving into the west/the US and aligning themselves completely with those such powers. The whole reason many of there beliefs is counter to ours (the expansion of there influence in Eastern Europe, the missile defence shield) is because they do not wish to align themselves completely with us and therefore "give in" to the west. I did not say dont expect this of them.
 
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I appreciate the sentiment, but Russia is too inconsistent to be a member of NATO. It hasn't proven itself as a strong democracy yet. Plus, it's kind of an oxymoron to include Russia in an organization that was designed to balance its power. It's kind of like the term Gay Republican. Letting Russia into NATO implies that the threat is a non-issue now. Again, the sentiment is nice, but not realistic. Russia's foreign policy still often contradicts ours.
 
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Orius said:
I appreciate the sentiment, but Russia is too inconsistent to be a member of NATO. It hasn't proven itself as a strong democracy yet. Plus, it's kind of an oxymoron to include Russia in an organization that was designed to balance its power. It's kind of like the term Gay Republican. Letting Russia into NATO implies that the threat is a non-issue now. Again, the sentiment is nice, but not realistic. Russia's foreign policy still often contradicts ours.
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Exactly. Not much point having them join the club if the majority of operations and conflicts we carry out are contrary to there beliefs.
 
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Richard Nixon said:
I'm responding to the initial post. But oh my, you're so abrasive! OOO!
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It was just a FRIENDLY advice. People who jumop into a tread not reading it are looking a kind of.... funny... for other participants.
 
Yeah…it’s only a matter time before Obama invites N. Korea, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, and AQ to join NATO.
 
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WillRockwell said:
When you begin and end your reply ranting about "morons" you have removed yourself from any intelligent debate.
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That’s why you are still talking to me?

WillRockwell said:
You are incorrect that "all Obama worshipers bow to authorities". That doesn't even make sense, yet you base your "argument" on it. You also quote one of my "friends" saying something. Make no mistake, I do not seek friends here, and have been as harsh to liberals as to ditto-heads.
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Your post is an appeal to authority fallacy, all other posts of yours are infected with all kind of fallacies. Obama worshipers do not submit any other kind of posts.


WillRockwell said:
If you truly want to debate, then confine your language to facts and hypothisis, your insults are not productive and not welcome.
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I feign no hypothesis. Your logical fallacies are facts, quoted, pointed to and explained.

WillRockwell said:
While remnants of the Soviet Union still rule Russia, the nation is different, and certainly does not harbor the imperial dreams it did when the world was in fear of Communism.
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And whom do you expect to rule Russia, - American experts? The former Soviet citizens rule Russia.



WillRockwell said:
Is Russia any more corrupt than Turkey, Romania, or many other nations which are being welcomed into NATO? I doubt it.
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It is a lot less corrupted than Georgia and Ukraine if the comparasion matters, but the professional experts would never say so.

WillRockwell said:
Does it matter?
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Corruption is of a great matter to ‘’the remnants of the Soviet Union who still rule Russia’’. As the matter of fact it is their main challenge, the problem #1.

WillRockwell said:
The idea of NATO is to band together against aggression.
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The idea of NATO was to band together against aggression of the USSR,
the idea of NATO is to band together against aggression of Russia.

WillRockwell said:
If Russia can get its act together enough to refrain from military adventurism against other Western nations, then its entry into NATO would greatly strengthen that organization.
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The acts of Russia do not matter, if Russia refrains from military adventurism against other Western nations all the purpose and meaning, the whole idea of NATO pointed above
would be nullified. So whatever Russia does less of disarming and handing its arms to the Western nations it has to be taken as exercising military adventurism against other Western nations, - just for NATO to exist. The fact itself, that Russia acquires a strong and independent military is the military adventurism of Russia against other Western nations in the view of the hundreds of dedicated professional experts, there is not even one, justone dissenting voice among them. And if one appears it is sent to a mental institution as a birther or a racist or a right wing nut. The unity of the experts is stunning.
 
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Laila at last i agree with you,can never trust them could we my English friend.

U take care of your selve.

kind regards to U.

mikeey
 
Of course if they comply with international standards, and live up to being a modern democracy that respects humans rights, why SHOULDN'T they be allowed into NATO. It could be used as leverage against Iran.

No one is saying we're going to let them in tomorrow for ****s and giggles, although that's what the hacks on this board would like you to believe.
 
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stalin_was_a_nice_being said:
well, Obama hasn't embarrassed himself as many times as Bush did in the same amount of time as president. Russia doesn't want to join NATO, so it's out of the question.
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Here we go again, its all about Bush. :rofl

Obama has only been in office 6 months; as if that in itself isn't a testimony for what is yet to come, give him time; he and Biden have done amazing things to catch to Bush and super-exceed him.
 
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a777pilot said:
The Presidents Bush(41) and Clinton along with the Democrat controlled Congress deserve all the blame for the current state of bad relations between the United States and Russia.

If either Bush(41) and/or Clinton had bushed for the spending of between $300 and $500 billion to rebuild Russia and support their budding democracy, as Mr. Henry Kissinger had recommended, we would have a partner now vice an adversary.

Penny wise and pound foolish. The Democrat control Congress wanted money, the so called "Peace Dividend" for their pet projects. I sure wish these Congress Critters had been able to understand that peace was its own reward. That money could have been better spent.
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I somewhat agree with this and felt that we should have done more to support Democratic reforms in Russia.
 
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WillRockwell said:
That's just not true. We were allies in WW2, and Russia sold Alaska to the US for 100 pounds of seal meat (something like that). In fact, Russia and the US have NEVER been enemies. The cold war was a conflict between the US and USSR (Correct me if I'm wrong)
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:rofl Oh my Will, you have outdone yourself with this one....thanks for the HUGE laugh! :rofl
 
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Truth Detector said:
we should have done more to support Democratic reforms in Russia.
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That would have assured the destruction of Russia as a state and Russians as a nation, so we wouldn't have any problems on hands today.
 
Funny arguments here.

People arguing that the USSR wasn't Russia and that Russia wasn't the USSR. Russia was the imperialist regime that militarily dominated the other unwilling member states of the USSR. "Evil Empire", remember?

Putin = KGB, remember? If Goebbels became "president" of Germany, would we have invited Germany into NATO?

Clearly, this is just another case of the Messiah being stupid. Rather than invite the enemy into our NATO war councils, we should just disband NATO.

We should disband NATO anyway and let the wonderful Europeans pay for their own defense for a change.
 
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WillRockwell said:
If the Right could peer into the future, they might see the advantage of having Russia in our side if China decides it needs more "room".
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China can't handle what they have. They're not going to expand
 
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apdst said:
China can't handle what they have. They're not going to expand
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It does not depend on their wish. They are a demographic nuclear bomb whether they want it or not. Chinese infiltrate Russia like Mexicans infiltrate the US.
 
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Laila said:
Meh.
Russia will not make it through the requirements needed to join NATO
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I thought you had to be close to the Atlantic to be a member, but then Turkey isn't.
 
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apdst said:
China can't handle what they have. They're not going to expand
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Oh, did you get that in writing? Do the Taiwanese and the Tibetans know they have nothing to fear? What about the residents of Siberia, who sit on a fortune in natural resources that China has coveted for years?

In the 19th century, China reluctantly ceded control of the Far East and Siberia to Russia. During the past 50 years, however, Chinese territorial claims to the area have steadily increased. Chinese communist founder Mao Zedong and leader Deng Xiaoping both publicly asserted that the Russian cities of Vladivostok and Khabarovsk were Chinese. Some Chinese historians have claimed that the current China—Russia borders are unfair and that Russia 'stole' the Far East by force.

'The Chinese view this region [Siberia] historically as their territory,' said Larisa Zabroskaya, an Asia expert. Moreover, Russia's Far East population increasingly identifies itself with the east — looking to South Korea, Japan and China for guidance on matters of governance and culture. As a result, the region has become less connected to Moscow and the ideals of 'Euro Asia.'

In Moscow, apprehension and uneasiness concerning China's influence in the Far East has gradually increased. In 2002, Russian President Vladimir Putin warned, 'If people here [Far East] will not regenerate their region and economy, they will all speak the Asian language.'
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American Thinker: China's manifest destiny
 
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WillRockwell said:
No offense, but that doesn't even make sense. Apparently the poster of the video does not understand English, or uses BabelFish for translation.
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he may not speak English, like I don't, but he understands it better than you do.

Hillary says that putin does not have a soul. He is a KGB, so he does not have a soul. It is a negative contemptuous points made against Putin. He is so bad that he does not have a soul. (Thus Bush seeking for the soul is stupid). Her speech is no different from Scarecrow Akhbar’s remarks.

Putin answers shortly and makes the audience laugh at the stupidity of Hillary. He says first of all a Politician has to have brain (which means that Hillary does not have brain) to say such a negative contemptuous and totally meaningless crap. Remember that Hillary now is a major player against Putin. The KGB upbringing of Putin can be pretty much characterizes by Henry Kissinger. Kissinger asked Putin – what was his background. Putin intending to shock Kissinger answers – KGB, as it is commonly associated with ruthless persecution of dissidents, which can be only compared with persecution of birthers on DP.
- What Division?
– Intelligence.
– Inside of the USSR or outside?
– Outside.
– Well, all decent people started their carrier in intelligence, including myself, - resumes Kissinger.

dealing with Putin Obama and Hilary cannot use the same “arguments” as ones used against birthers here. The failure of CIA would start with a disrespect of professional qualities of the KGB counter-intelligence division, such a disrespect would be very unprofessional. The same is with military rivals. Obama and Hillary cannot even combined put up anything against Putin’s intelligence. They are highly unprofessional.
 
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